All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - Part 8

[Rust]

A short Thomas Newman action cue (the action part doesn't start until about :50 seconds in):


Of course, that's an action cue without a "hero theme" or anything like that built into it. Still, I don't think he'd have a problem with the action. I would actually LOVE it if Thomas Newman was scoring this, partially because I had resigned myself to the likelihood that Tyler Bates would end up doing it. But Newman seems pretty unlikely to me, so I'm not holding my breath.

Could work, though I'm not fully convinced of his action-duties. I think I'd prefer something on a larger scale like Jablonsky or Bates himself. But maybe something like the above would do well. I'm pretty open and the angle they're going for in general might give os something unexpected and fresh.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Agreed, that's a good comparison. Or if you want to stick to the same genre like this (though those could arguably be considered in the same genre as well), it's like comparing E.T. with Alien. Two pristine examples of alien-based sci-fi, but two VERY different approaches to the genre with very different stories to tell.

Yes, that's another great example.

Both of these movies will be eventful in their own approaches. For instance, The Avengers will provide stellar visuals/SFX, immense action scenes, memorable character moments and witty humor while TDKR will bring forth a tremendous story (an emotional ending to a character) with philosophical cultural subtext and top-notch characterizations.

And both will feature brilliant acting.

 

[flickchick85]

Yes, that's another great example.

Both of these movies will be eventful in their own approaches. For instance, The Avengers will provide stellar visuals/SFX, immense action scenes, memorable character moments and witty humor while TDKR will bring forth a tremendous story (an emotional ending to a character) with philosophical cultural subtext and top-notch characterizations.

And both will feature brilliant acting.

Exactly. Gosh, I feel like this is the best year ever to be a superhero fan.

 

[mclay18]

I was just on MOS wikipedia page and according that that now Thomas Newman is doing the score for MOS, yet I cannot find a source, so far. Anybody know anything about this? Also what are your thoughts on this possibility? I definitely didn't expect him to do the score. I was thinking Howard Shore or something.

That's false. It's not on his resume at the Gorfaine-Schwartz Agency website, nor is it confirmed on FilmMusicReporter. I expect whenever WB or Snyder announces who will be scoring MOS, there will be a press release or something.

And flickchick, I don't think Bates is on the cards to score the film either. Usually when he does a Snyder movie, he's attached around or before principal photography starts (like Watchmen and Sucker Punch). It's going to be someone else.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Exactly. Gosh, I feel like this is the best year ever to be a superhero fan.

Right there with you.

 

[BuddhaWasABat]

Exactly. Gosh, I feel like this is the best year ever to be a superhero fan.

The next 2 years are awesome years to be a Superhero fan. This year, we know the deal. Next year, Iron Man 3 is looking great. Shane Black directing, Ben Kingsly and Guy Pearce are the villains. Than The Wolverine being directed by James Mangold. And of course... MAN OF STEEL. Next 2 years for CBM are amazing.

 

[Rust]

Saw Avengers last night. Girlfriend surprised me with tickets.

Crazy movie that was. Very VERY entertaining and VERY much a superhero-movie in every sense. Energetic scenes, mostly great dialogue and fine perfomances and pretty fantastic effects. Definitely one of the better Marvel-movies yet and probably the best of the Avengers-movies.

Still, it's very much a Marvel-movie look- and stylewise and the story was so-so. Loki's scheme was pretty cliche and the alien army didnt really pose much of a threat or had a lot to do other than getting their asses kicked.
And though I did like the action and FX it just got a little too over-the-top sometimes much like T3 where you just become immune to it. That's just a matter of taste though I think.

There's no way MOS can top Avengers in action and scale, so I hope it'll push some different buttons to get the same epic feel, as I'm sure it will.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

There's no way MOS can top Avengers in action and scale, so I hope it'll push some different buttons to get the same epic feel, as I'm sure it will.

There's no way a solo film like Man of Steel can compare to an ensemble film like The Avengers. Superman might be one of the strongest comic book characters of all time but he's not taking on an army or an invasion here.

Kal-El is merely discovering his past, present and future (destiny) while protecting Earth from Zod and his loyalists.

MoS won't be an 'event' film but it can still be a great origin CBM, and that's good enough for me.

 

[craigdbfan]

I still have hope that MOS will be incredible. Keeping the faith.

 

[flickchick85]

And flickchick, I don't think Bates is on the cards to score the film either. Usually when he does a Snyder movie, he's attached around or before principal photography starts (like Watchmen and Sucker Punch). It's going to be someone else.

Thanks, that's encouraging. I'm not sure who I'd want to score this thing, but I think I'll just mostly be relieved when it's confirmed to be someone other than Bates.

The next 2 years are awesome years to be a Superhero fan. This year, we know the deal. Next year, Iron Man 3 is looking great. Shane Black directing, Ben Kingsly and Guy Pearce are the villains. Than The Wolverine being directed by James Mangold. And of course... MAN OF STEEL. Next 2 years for CBM are amazing.

Indeed, IM3 is shaping up nicely, and I have high hopes for MoS. Jury's still out on The Wolverine for me, though.

But a summer that features Batman, Spidey AND The Avengers? That's basically the blockbuster all-stars of the superhero genre, minus Supes of course (just imagine if we'd had MoS this year too, as originally planned). I think it will be a looong time before we get a superhero year this big again.

 

[Rust]

MoS won't be an 'event' film but it can still be a great origin CBM, and that's good enough for me.

You're right. Kinda stupid to compare the two even if it's the action and FX. MOS will obviously, as I mentioned, be something else and push different buttons, just like the Batman-movies did. Superman does have the same fantastical element to it, so it can still turn into an alien invasion movie. It should be interesting though to see where that aspect goes seen through the same eyes that wrote up BB.

 

[Project862006]

to be honest superman can do very unique and imaginative things on screen especially with the visual eye of snyder that no one in avengers can do

 

[matrix_ghost]

Saw Avengers last night. Girlfriend surprised me with tickets.

Crazy movie that was. Very VERY entertaining and VERY much a superhero-movie in every sense. Energetic scenes, mostly great dialogue and fine perfomances and pretty fantastic effects. Definitely one of the better Marvel-movies yet and probably the best of the Avengers-movies.

Still, it's very much a Marvel-movie look- and stylewise and the story was so-so. Loki's scheme was pretty cliche and the alien army didnt really pose much of a threat or had a lot to do other than getting their asses kicked.
And though I did like the action and FX it just got a little too over-the-top sometimes much like T3 where you just become immune to it. That's just a matter of taste though I think.

There's no way MOS can top Avengers in action and scale, so I hope it'll push some different buttons to get the same epic feel, as I'm sure it will.

Not that surprising when MoS has half the budget of Avengers
WB isn't going to spend 300 million on MoS .

 

[Rust]

"to be honest superman can do very unique and imaginative things on screen especially with the visual eye of snyder that no one in avengers can do"

Exactly. Snyder's eye for visuals and composition I believe far exceeds the typical standard in action movies no matter how big and expensive it looks. Compositing a frame with movement, shapes, lighting, colors, FX etc can be done in so many ways and this fortunately is one of Snyder's forces. Add to that limited and proper use of his slo-mo.

 

[Prime]

There's no way MOS can top Avengers in action and scale, so I hope it'll push some different buttons to get the same epic feel, as I'm sure it will.

You know, I thought that too in the past weeks, but after seeing Avengers myself as well, last night, I don't think so anymore. Quite honestly I was not really impressed by the action. The CGI was alright but patchy at places the action itself I felt was generic and the movie just didn't look that good to me. I think all 3 Transformers (and no, I don't like them, lol) had better visuals and action.

Of course MOS is a different thing, an origin story with a single hero, but even on a smaller scale I think MOS can surpass Avengers in terms of action/visuals/epic feel with that. I liked how Snyder said in one interview in the pre-production stage, comparing Watchmen to MOS; "You know, it's different. It's different. Watchmen made my brain hurt every day, and this makes my brain, sort of like my action freak out mind go like, 'This could be crazy.'"

Im sure it will be crazy. Superman in action with the full extent of his powers can be as, if not more, exciting as the entire Avengers team. Snyder will give Whedon a bit of schooling on action and visuals.

Oh, and since everyone is talking about Avengers, what's the hype? Really, come on! Everything was just OK. Story and the writing were disappointing really. Loki was a weak villain. The acting was not mediocre for most part. It was really just more of the same as from the previous MCU films. Meh. Hopefully TDKR isn't as disappointing, after all if it's great it's going to be a first in this genre (Superman III, Batman Forever, Spider-Man 3, X-Men: TLST...)

 

[BigThor]

I still have hope that MOS will be incredible. Keeping the faith.

THOR II, MOS, and IM3 are my most anticipated films for next year in THAT order. t:

"to be honest superman can do very unique and imaginative things on screen especially with the visual eye of snyder that no one in avengers can do"

Exactly. Snyder's eye for visuals and composition I believe far exceeds the typical standard in action movies no matter how big and expensive it looks. Compositing a frame with movement, shapes, lighting, colors, FX etc can be done in so many ways and this fortunately is one of Snyder's forces. Add to that limited and proper use of his slo-mo.

That may be true somewhat, but still there's 6 different superheroes to compete with so I don't think it's a fair comparison.

 

[Rust]

That may be true somewhat, but still there's 6 different superheroes to compete with so I don't think it's a fair comparison.

I was talking about quality, not quantity.

 

[Rust]

Im sure it will be crazy. Superman in action with the full extent of his powers can be as, if not more, exciting as the entire Avengers team. Snyder will give Whedon a bit of schooling on action and visuals.

I agree, again because of the quality and not the quantity. Snyder knows how to compose interesting and "artistic" imagery and sequences and not just the big random FX-packed shots. Snyder's recognizable and has a trademark style.

 

[Prime]

I agree, again because of the quality and not the quantity. Snyder knows how to compose interesting and "artistic" imagery and sequences and not just the big random FX-packed shots. Snyder's recognizable and has a trademark style.

Very true. I still remember when Michael Shannon compared Snyder to Scorsese in terms of visual composition and orchestration. And it's true, Snyder does wonders with the camera.

 

[Rust]

Very true. I still remember when Michael Shannon compared Snyder to Scorsese in terms of visual composition and orchestration. And it's true, Snyder does wonders with the camera.

Yep, a very comforting quote from Shannon there. And while I couldnt recognize Scorsese's style myself, I agree. Snyder's visual style just exhibits quality and long-time durability and that's way more important than $.

And now I think my praise-quota is up for the day...

 

[BigThor]

I was talking about quality, not quantity.

You do realize that I'm speaking in terms of scale and spectacle, not the quality of the film itself right?

Thor alone probably has just as many powers as Supes, but Supes won't be limited by being on a team so he'll probably get to show off more.

 

[BH/HHH]

I just saw Avengers and wow was it awesome, tell you if WB's want to make a Justice League film its going to have to be good.

 

[JAK®]

It's going to be a tough act to follow, and even if they nail it, it still runs the risk of feeling derivative.

 

[Rockstar]

I just saw Avengers and wow was it awesome, tell you if WB's want to make a Justice League film its going to have to be good.

It will never be as good.

Marvel Studios really set it up for greatness with this shared universe concept and MS being it's own seperate studio.

Avengers had the perfect formula for success. All the stars were aligned.

 

[Rust]

Avengers had the perfect formula for success. All the stars were aligned.

Whoa horsey. It's got a lot of good things going for it, but dont overdo it.