All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - Part 8

[Rodrigo90]

¨Yeah, Superman's awesome. He has a cool looking S on his chest, and the guy who's playing him is gorgeous, kind and all man. I laughed at the guy who made TDK. He didn't know what Superman's about, or anything...I look like the guy who's playing fourth Hulk¨

That was the gist, right?

 

[DIRECTOR]

Terrible at interviews. He's not selling the character that well. Snyder needs a speech therapist and a bigger vocabulary. He's obviously a very passionate filmmaker, but I cringe when he speaks.

I would take a passionate filmmaker than someone who knows how to talk to the media and hide how crappy their movie is.

 

[Rust]

I would take a passionate filmmaker than someone who knows how to talk to the media and hide how crappy their movie is.

Agreed. Which is why he could be awesome with the right help.

I guess he never does business without his wife.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

¨Yeah, Superman's awesome. He has a cool looking S on his chest, and the guy who's playing him is gorgeous, kind and all man. I laughed at the guy who made TDK. He didn't know what Superman's about, or anything...I look like the guy who's playing fourth Hulk¨

That was the gist, right?

Huh?

 

[Rodrigo90]

That was all I could understand from Synder's interview

 

[Superlisa]

Black Kryptonite image from the set of ‘Man of Steel’



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[Rust]

So, what is black kryptonite and what does it do?

 

[Prime]

Erm...it's just a rock. To quote the article: ´´Now, again…this is the claim, not fact. It could just be a bit of meteor, some of Clarks ship, but then it could also be Black Kryptonite.``

 

[Zorex]

It's just... a damn rock.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

It's not JUST a rock! It's a big hunk of the closest thing we've had to any info about the movie in a really really long time!

Let's go with it. Let's get excited people!

They are selling a bit of rock, and it could be black K, and black K could have some kind of relevance to the story, and maybe it'll do what it does on Smallville and split CK in to a good half and a bad half and they'll have to fight each other like in Superman 3

That was all I could understand from Synder's interview

Yeah, I just don't where you got some of the stuff from. Like, when did he say anything about looking like fourth Hulk?

 

[mclay18]

I believe Jamie is referring to "Script Doctors"

I keep getting the script doctors mixed up with major overhaul re-writers.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Yeah, I just don't where you got some of the stuff from. Like, when did he say anything about looking like fourth Hulk?

Synder was banging on about all this stuff, and all I could think about when watching it, was that he looks a bit like Mark Ruffalo

 

[Tacit Ronin]

It's a Nolan/Goyer script, revised by Jonah Nolan. A Nolan production, directed by Zack Synder.

If Synder had full control, Superman would still be wearing trunks

It's his movie, but Nolan has a major influence on things. Almost a silent partner with Synder.

Guess Nolan was involved with stripping Supes' trunks off in the comics too. It's only logical.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Guess Nolan was involved with stripping Supes' trunks off in the comics too. It's only logical.

His influence on people knows no bounds. When designing the new suit, they probably thought to themselves, ¨What would Christopher Nolan do in this situation?¨ Hence, Superman being stripped of his duds

 

[Rust]

It's not JUST a rock! It's a big hunk of the closest thing we've had to any info about the movie in a really really long time!

Let's go with it. Let's get excited people!

I clearly missed something. That's ok though, you cant win them all.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

His influence on people knows no bounds. When designing the new suit, they probably thought to themselves, ¨What would Christopher Nolan do in this situation?¨ Hence, Superman being stripped of his duds

Too bad he didn't replace them with puzzle/maze designs.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

I hadn't seen that interview. But Snyder seems...misinformed. And misguided. He's incredulous because Thor has a movie, but Superman doesn't? I guess he missed the first ya know, 6 Superman movies. And the fact that they've been trying to get this one made basically since Superman Returns came out.

And the fact that he admits to having to be convinced to do it makes me a little wary.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Too bad he didn't replace them with puzzle/maze designs.

Just be thankful they weren't thinking of Joel Shumacer when they designed it! God knows what pervertated abomination we would have seen!

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Synder was banging on about all this stuff, and all I could think about when watching it, was that he looks a bit like Mark Ruffalo

That's really random... and I totally don't see it!

I hadn't seen that interview. But Snyder seems...misinformed. And misguided. He's incredulous because Thor has a movie, but Superman doesn't? I guess he missed the first ya know, 6 Superman movies. And the fact that they've been trying to get this one made basically since Superman Returns came out.

And the fact that he admits to having to be convinced to do it makes me a little wary.

I dunno, I guess i'm hearing it differently than some people.

All he was saying is that he thinks it's mad that Thor has had a good popular movie recently, and Superman hasn't. Which I completely agree is mad.

And he wasn't saying he had to be convinced to want to make a Superman movie. He said, he loves the character. He just personally didn't know how to approach the film, but really liked Goyer and Nolan's idea and felt it was something they could definitely do.

I mean, here's how I'd say the interview would go without the stammers and clambering for words

Synder: I think Superman is broken from a movie standpoint, and I think it needs to be fixed. I think he is the biggest Superhero on the planet. He is the why of all superheroes, the father of every superhero. And when I think about the fact they are making movies about much less popular heroes, it just feels like the world's out of balance. I mean, they can a Thor movie work, but not Superman? It's like we've all lost our minds!

I really hope we can make a 'cool' Superman movie. I mean, when Chris and Debbie and I went to lunch, I have to admit that before I was apprehensive.

Emma: Yeah, I said to Zack 'I'm not really sure about this', but we decided to go and hear what they had to say. And we both left feeling like this was a great way to make him relevant.

Snyder: Yeah I didn't need to hear much before I just decided 'Okay, this is the right way to do it.' But I think it's so needed that it's going to be hard. And i'm a fan of the character, I want him to be awesome.

I think Henry, other than being a good looking guy, he's also really manly, which I like. And he's got this innocence and a kindess to him which I feel is important for the character. Just enough that he's not soft but you can imagine him being kind and I think that's a good quality.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

I dunno, I guess i'm hearing it differently than some people.

All he was saying is that he thinks it's mad that Thor has had a good popular movie recently, and Superman hasn't. Which I completely agree is mad.

And he wasn't saying he had to be convinced to want to make a Superman movie. He said, he loves the character. He just personally didn't know how to approach the film, but really liked Goyer and Nolan's idea and felt it was something they could definitely do.

yeah, I think we're interpreting it differently. I mean, even acknowledging the fact that the first Superman movie is nearly 40 years old, it's impossible to say that it isn't relevant anymore. It very much still is, even to the point of making Superman Returns a damn sequel. I'd say the first Superman movie is even more relevant that the Thor movie he compared Superman to.

And anybody who makes a superhero movie is going to say that they love the character. I don't really see him saying that as a positive. I see it as an obligatory thing to say.

I've never seen any adaptation made where the movie maker says he didn't like, didn't know, or didn't care about the source. That's just bad PR.

edit: I think you took some liberties with how you changed his comments comparing Thor and Superman. But I forgot his exact wording in the interview, so maybe you didn't.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

yeah, I think we're interpreting it differently. I mean, even acknowledging the fact that the first Superman movie is nearly 40 years old, it's impossible to say that it isn't relevant anymore. It very much still is, even to the point of making Superman Returns a damn sequel. I'd say the first Superman movie is even more relevant that the Thor movie he compared Superman to.

And anybody who makes a superhero movie is going to say that they love the character. I don't really see him saying that as a positive. I see it as an obligatory thing to say.

I've never seen any adaptation made where the movie maker says he didn't like, didn't know, or didn't care about the source. That's just bad PR.

I disagree that STM is relevant for the GA at the moment. Superman Returns, if anything, is just an example of how irrelevant the old movies, and the old fashioned Donner way of handling the character is now, and not how you should approach it anymore.

Superheroes movies have moved a long a way since then, and Superman has yet to have a film that you could even say fits into this new 'wave' of modern Superhero films. So many other heroes have solid origin films, with modern and exciting stories. Superman doesn't have that.

And of course anyone making a superhero movie is going to say they love a character. But I don't know why you'd agree to make a Superman movie if you hated Superman...

He obviously does like him

 

[Scarecrow_King]

well, I wouldn't say no to doing a superhero movie for any reason. But the money and recognition that come with it would have something to do with it. Just because he agreed to do the movie doesn't mean he likes him. I don't think he hates him or anything. I just don't see any evidence of previous fodness for the character.

And I don't know exactly what you mean by the wave of modern super hero movies. But if there's any character that should not fall into any "modern" pitfalls, it's the original superhero. He should feel as timeless as he is, and his movies should reflect that.

 

[JAK®]

Shortly after Watchmen the possibility of doing a Superman movie was asked of Snyder. He said that he liked the character but felt that it wasn't compatible with his style.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

If you thought there was even the smallest opportunity of making a movie of arguably the most recognizable fictional character ever, would you publicly say anything other than that you like him?

I don't doubt that he does like him. I'm just saying that taking those comments as proof that his movie will be good or faithful or whatever is a fallacy.

 

[JAK®]

That interview was pre-Sucker Punch and during the peak of Watchmen's hype. Snyder was in a position to say what films he didn't want to make, and he said he didn't want to make a Superman film. So I think there was some truth there. Now he's eating crow because he's not such a success anymore. But I have faith nonetheless, as some artists do better in a restrictive environment, and I feel Snyder is one of them.