BvS All Things Superman and Batman: An Open Discussion - Part 1

[TheFlamingCoco]

WB was so smart to announce Affleck's casting this early on. Now, once this initial shock dies down (which it already has), people will have a long time to come around to the idea (which they certainly will).

Shooting for this movie is a long whole away. Once we see that first picture of Batman and Superman together, everyone's gonna go "Okay, that looks cool as ****". Then, once the first teaser hits, people will go "Wow, Affleck looks badass and he might actually pull it off". Finally, after all the trailers, posters, still shots, TV spots, and actual info about the film starts trickling out, it'll be a complete 180 from the trash talk we saw when Affleck was first announced last week.

I'm calling it now: This Batman/Superman movie will make more money than Avengers 2 and will most likely be an even better, more exciting movie. It's going to be HUGE and a pretty historic event in film history.

I don't think it will make more money than Avengers 2. But it sounds like Affleck could be the new Keaton.

 

[Mysteryman]

One thing is for sure: 2015 will be MASSIVE.

Yep.
That is the year for the new Star Wars film too.
Massive indeed.

 

[TX85]

I wonder how long Affleck's Batman will have been established&active when he's first introduced in the film,I'm hoping for at least 5 years with no breaks like Bale's

I also wonder how he'll be introduced,They have to establish it on film to the general audience that this is not only a new actor for the role But a whole new character and not the one from the Dark Knight trilogy

 

[Kane52630]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/a...ents-on-man-of-steels-mass-destruction-scenes

I wanted the movie to have a mythological feeling," he says. "In ancient mythology, mass deaths are used to symbolize disasters. In other countries like Greece and Japan, myths were recounted through the generations, partly to answer unanswerable questions about death and violence. In America, we don’t have that legacy of ancient mythology. Superman is probably the closest we get. It’s a way of recounting the myth.

 

[Lencho01]

I don't understand his logic.

 

[Boy Scout]

Neither do I, but honestly, I don't even care anymore.

 

[Dark Raven]

I hope Henry Cavill has straighter hair for the new movie. His Superman hair just looks like gelled back curly hair. I want something a bit more classic.

 

[king666]

I hope Henry Cavill has straighter hair for the new movie. His Superman hair just looks like gelled back curly hair. I want something a bit more classic.

 

[Lencho01]

Neither do I, but honestly, I don't even care anymore.

I actually went, "Huh?" after reading his statement.

He should've just left it at thinking that if something like this happened, a lot of people would die.

 

[Enriquespy]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/a...ents-on-man-of-steels-mass-destruction-scenes

Yes, because indigenous mithology doesn't count...

 

[Mysteryman]

During the oil rig scene, I was getting an Atlas vibe.
I thought Snyder might be mixing in mythological references.
But, I never made that connection with the destruction scenes.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

I don't understand his logic.

Neither do I, but honestly, I don't even care anymore.

Snyder certainly has a strange way of explaining things. The same happened with the death of Zod, something about Superman developing his aversion to killing through that scene. Why would someone need to kill to know he doesn't want to kill.

And I have no problems with the destruction or the killing of Zod. I'm just left scratching my head when Snyder opens his mouth.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Seriously, the amount of respect I had for Snyder is slowly ebbing away...

 

[Mysteryman]

I go to a private writing class.
My teacher is often reminding me to make things clearer.
But, it always feels clear to me when I write it .
Perhaps Snyder ideas seem obvious to him.
But, he has trouble expressing it to others.

 

[Lencho01]

Reading the comments at Badass Digest made me laugh...

'Ha, that sounds cool Zach, but it literally makes no sense'
'What, wait, but David Goyer wrote it, he knows superheroes-'
'Zach, I have Oscars. One's for writing.'
'But you were in Daredevil'
'And I'M BATMAN'

 

[Deserana]

Snyder certainly has a strange way of explaining things. The same happened with the death of Zod, something about Superman developing his aversion to killing through that scene. Why would someone need to kill to know he doesn't want to kill.

That makes sense to me. As a way to show it visually. It was a situation where it had to be done and by doing it he realized that in future he must try to find another way around killing because its a feeling he never wants to experience again.

His comment above though is just gibberish.

Though to be honest isn't it well known that Snyder is very good at articulating his thoughts very well? Just watch any interview with him and it's pretty clear he is just making it up as he goes along. That isn't a dig many people are the same. What they are thinking may sound perfectly fine but they find it difficult to express it to another person.

 

[Lily Adler]

Now, now let's not belittle Zack on his ignorance of our mythology.

Is it just me or is he really trying too hard to sound smart.

 

[Deserana]

Just look at his comic con speech for SvB it was all over the place.

 

[Mysteryman]

Right now the only thing that I intend to judge Zack Snyder for is his next film.
His comments though?
I am grateful that I am not offered regular access to the media.
I wouldnt make much sense either.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

That makes sense to me. As a way to show it visually. It was a situation where it had to be done and by doing it he realized that in future he must try to find another way around killing because its a feeling he never wants to experience again.

His comment above though is just gibberish.

Though to be honest isn't it well known that Snyder is very good at articulating his thoughts very well? Just watch any interview with him and it's pretty clear he is just making it up as he goes along. That isn't a dig many people are the same. What they are thinking may sound perfectly fine but they find it difficult to express it to another person.

You can't learn from something when you are put in a situation and have absolutely no other options. They wrote him in a spot where he had no choice but to kill Zod. How does one learn from that? Superman HAD to kill, he had no other choice. Put in the same spot, he would have to kill again.

 

[TheBat812]

Snyder certainly has a strange way of explaining things. The same happened with the death of Zod, something about Superman developing his aversion to killing through that scene. Why would someone need to kill to know he doesn't want to kill.

And I have no problems with the destruction or the killing of Zod. I'm just left scratching my head when Snyder opens his mouth.

I'm sorry, but this seems fairly obvious.

It sucks because he's already explained this in interviews before and it was much more straightforward - this is just what they thought would happen in such a circumstance.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Right now the only thing that I intend to judge Zack Snyder for is his next film.
His comments though?
I am grateful that I am not offered regular access to the media.
I wouldnt make much sense either.

Yea, your comment now doesn't make much sense.

I kid, I kid.

 

[Mysteryman]

If that is true,than he will kill in the next film.
We shall see .

 

[Deserana]

You can't learn from something when you are put in a situation and have absolutely no other options. They wrote him in a spot where he had no choice but to kill Zod. How does one learn from that? Superman HAD to kill, he had no other choice. Put in the same spot, he would have to kill again.

I guess. But I can go with it.

I can see why people would be for it and against it. I can buy it though.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

You can't learn from something when you are put in a situation and have absolutely no other options. They wrote him in a spot where he had no choice but to kill Zod. How does one learn from that? Superman HAD to kill, he had no other choice. Put in the same spot, he would have to kill again.

Yeah, that's what I don't really get about it.

In order to set up some kind of 'I have to learn from this, this can never happen again', they would have needed to build a sense that what he did was somehow a mistake or wrong in some way.

But they set it up like he absolutely did the right thing... the ONLY thing that anyone could do in that situation, and then immediately followed it with a lighthearted scene in which he called himself 'as American as they come' and a scene in which they talking about how proud his father would have been of him.

None of that says to me that they've built some kind of solid foundation of reasoning for why he won't do the same thing again.

In fact, i'd say it would now make even LESS sense for him not to kill, because since he's done it and everything worked out for the best because of it, and there were no negative consequences to doing it... why the hell not do it again?

Which conicidentally is one of Superman's reasons for not wanting to ever kill in other stories... because once you've done it once, next time it'd be even easier to do it again, but maybe even sooner in the fight... and then after that, maybe you'll just start thinking you could save ALL the damage by just going in for the kill in the first place...

It's the slippery slope that starts with a first kill that Superman is afraid of.