BvS All Things Superman and Batman: An Open Discussion - - - Part 101

[zryson]

Its kinda annoying, this competition. Sometimes I'm afraid these movies might get TOO competitive and cannibalize each other and basically run the comic book genre into the ground through overdoing it. Now of course its ridiculous to say that now but the next five years will be a real test on the GA that likes DC, Marvel, or both.

Competition is just part of the entertainment world. If it leads to Hollywood making better movies, I'm all for that.

 

[Doc Ock]

Neither. Even with Marvel's success I doubt the average joe would have much success distinguishing the heroes for each company.

I used to think that and I get asked questions like "isn't Superman Marvel?" All the time, but that kinda helps my point. Not distinguishing the heroes from each company will appear to them as an onslaught of superhero movies and possibly burn them out leading to possibly fewer success. Although I think Marvel has done a good job of flashing their name enough to where the audience is starting to catch on.

 

[zryson]

My friends are into the same stuff I am so it's cool

That's cool Kal-El. Its why I like meeting fans in person (or when they reach out to me online) because every fan is important, and they each bring something new.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I used to think that and I get asked questions like "isn't Superman Marvel?" All the time, but that kinda helps my point. Not distinguishing the heroes from each company will appear to them as an onslaught of superhero movies and possibly burn them out leading to possibly fewer success. Although I think Marvel has done a good job of flashing their name enough to where the audience is starting to catch on.

It's funny but in Sean Howe's book MARVEL COMICS THE UNTOLD STORY, there is a part where he goes into one of the times that Marvel was bought by another company. This is a huge deal, lots of money changing hands you know. You would think those types would have done incredible due diligence right? One of the parties involved starts bragging "Guess what? We just bought Superman!" This was the 80's I think. I think the Marvel brand has great recognition among the younger demographic for sure but even then, I think most of the public lump every super hero together. Costume? Secret ID? Origin story? Rogues gallery? It all blurs for a lot of non fans.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

I'm still contending that Ezra will not be the Barry Allen version of the Flash. The HR article could simply have been prefacing their commentary on the tv series with that sentence in the article. Can someone clarify this for me? Is there some other official word of him being Barry Allen specifically?

 

[Jekecy]

I used to think that and I get asked questions like "isn't Superman Marvel?" All the time, but that kinda helps my point. Not distinguishing the heroes from each company will appear to them as an onslaught of superhero movies and possibly burn them out leading to possibly fewer success. Although I think Marvel has done a good job of flashing their name enough to where the audience is starting to catch on.

The burnout will result from severe dips in quality, not quantity.

Look how quickly the fanbase and general audiences turned on Spidey. He used to be top dog, but rehashing the same damn formula five films in a row caught up with that franchise.

As long as these films take note to be adept at engaging the audiences through a variety of stories, tone, and characters, the genre will be here to stay for a very long while.

 

[zryson]

I think it's a tad premature we'd get them before 2020... I mean going straight to three pics a year like Marvel plans to in 2017 is insane! They'd have to see how well BVS does March 2016 before taking that next step from 2 a year to 3.

I disagree. Its just that Hollywood is trying to cash in on superhero movies and even before movies are announced they are lining up sequels without even the first movie out. But like history showcases, none of these plans are really for certain and there is plenty of skepticism (even from industry watchers) because it just takes one or two movies not delivering as expected and it affects the movies planned after and in what order they come and if they are released at all.

 

[Raelis Shae]

Most people wouldn't care if a super-hero is from Marvel or DC. They just want a good movie. Would they eventually tire of it? Of course. But as for Supes and Bats, they're in a league of their own. They'll keep re-imagining those two because they're part of our modern psyche, almost archetypal. Just IMHO.

 

[zryson]

The burnout will result from severe dips in quality, not quantity.

Look how quickly the fanbase and general audiences turned on Spidey. He used to be top dog, but rehashing the same damn formula five films in a row caught up with that franchise.

As long as these films take note to be adept at engaging the audiences through a variety of stories, tone, and characters, the genre will be here to stay for a very long while.

There are dangers in having too much product. Its like I said in an article I did at university once, you dont flood the market, and that way you keep people hungry for more.

 

[fake]

Just found out that the teaser trailer of the movie we are highly anticipating will premiere with "Hobbit 3".

Yes, the first teaser for "PAN" will be played before Hobbit 3.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Most people wouldn't care if a super-hero is from Marvel or DC. They just want a good movie. Would they eventually tire of it? Of course. But as for Supes and Bats, they're in a league of their own. They'll keep re-imagining those two because they're part of our modern psyche, almost archetypal. Just IMHO.

Like I keep saying... If Super heroes on TV and in film have as good a run as the Western, we'll have more than enough product to satisfy us until our grandchildren put us in the ground.

 

[Marvin]

I'm still contending that Ezra will not be the Barry Allen version of the Flash. The HR article could simply have been prefacing their commentary on the tv series with that sentence in the article. Can someone clarify this for me? Is there some other official word of him being Barry Allen specifically?

Fingers still crossed.

How about a director known for comedies for SHAZAM?

Maybe the director of 'The Tooth Fairy'.

I don't see Will Smith in a non lead comicbook property. Seems far fetched. I have my doubts about Gosling. Tom Hardy coming back for a non nolan, just seems like fan fiction.

Glad DC waited to tie down contracts, good move.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

Just found out that the teaser trailer of the movie we are highly anticipating will premiere with "Hobbit 3".

Yes, the first teaser for "PAN" will be played before Hobbit 3.

I'm a HUGE Peter Pan fan so I'm totally looking forward to this

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Just found out that the teaser trailer of the movie we are highly anticipating will premiere with "Hobbit 3".

Yes, the first teaser for "PAN" will be played before Hobbit 3.

I've said it before...they are moving to fast with the Pan expanded Universe without the needed build up. Wendy, Each Lost Boy, Hook, Smee and Princess Tiger Lily all need solo films before Wendy even gets to Never Land. At this rate they'll have to shoe horn Pinnochio into the sequel to make up for the lack of planning.

 

[Jekecy]

There are dangers in having too much product. Its like I said in an article I did at university once, you dont flood the market, and that way you keep people hungry for more.

Cream of the crop, rises to the top.

 

[Doc Ock]

The burnout will result from severe dips in quality, not quantity.

Look how quickly the fanbase and general audiences turned on Spidey. He used to be top dog, but rehashing the same damn formula five films in a row caught up with that franchise.

As long as these films take note to be adept at engaging the audiences through a variety of stories, tone, and characters, the genre will be here to stay for a very long while.

There is some truth to that, yeah. But we also live in a world where four Transformers movies been massively successful despite questionable quality (although there is quality in having a mindless chew my popcorn flick I suppose). Spidey is a great example though, poor guy has been screwed by Sony and Arad one too many times.

It's funny but in Sean Howe's book MARVEL COMICS THE UNTOLD STORY, there is a part where he goes into one of the times that Marvel was bought by another company. This is a huge deal, lots of money changing hands you know. You would think those types would have done incredible due diligence right? One of the parties involved starts bragging "Guess what? We just bought Superman!" This was the 80's I think. I think the Marvel brand has great recognition among the younger demographic for sure but even then, I think most of the public lump every super hero together. Costume? Secret ID? Origin story? Rogues gallery? It all blurs for a lot of non fans.

Sure I see the general public mixing all the heroes together all the time, but I think they are starting to notice. Marvel for example they are noticing as a brand and movie studio (but not necessarily their characters though, I'm sure if someone bought a Superman t-shirt with a Marvel tag they wouldn't notice).

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

Fingers still crossed.

Until I see otherwise, my gut tells me he will not be playing the Allen version. Like I said, it would surprise me.

 

[zryson]

Cream of the crop, rises to the top.

That's funny! But true. Competition in the world of business is so fierce. Its intoxicating but fascinating at the same time.

 

[Black Narcissus]

There are dangers in having too much product. Its like I said in an article I did at university once, you dont flood the market, and that way you keep people hungry for more.

I read that article! It was called Scarface.

 

[zryson]

I read that article! It was called Scarface.

Good one! But no that wasnt the title.

 

[zryson]

I used to think that and I get asked questions like "isn't Superman Marvel?" All the time, but that kinda helps my point. Not distinguishing the heroes from each company will appear to them as an onslaught of superhero movies and possibly burn them out leading to possibly fewer success. Although I think Marvel has done a good job of flashing their name enough to where the audience is starting to catch on.

The way I see it, its battle of the brands. And what is more powerful among consumers?

 

[Raelis Shae]

Competition is always good, but thanks to advertising the best do not usually rise to the top of the box office, nor does it match the general audience's taste.

What I like about this influx of comic films is that different characters will finally have the chance to tell their story, and we now have the technology to see what we have always imagined in our heads while reading these stories. It may result in CBM cannibalization, but in other areas it could be a win-win: storytelling, graphics, etc.

It may, and it could, but who knows?

 

[zryson]

Competition is always good, but thanks to advertising the best do not usually rise to the top of the box office, nor does it match the general audience's taste.

What I like about this influx of comic films is that different characters will finally have the chance to tell their story, and we now have the technology to see what we have always imagined in our heads while reading these stories. It may result in CBM cannibalization, but in other areas it could be a win-win: storytelling, graphics, etc.

It may, and it could, but who knows?

Its all about marketing, and how well Hollywood markets their product. So on one hand there is a lot of danger in Hollywood churning out so many movies. Also Warner Bros could be bought out by another company and that changes everything.

 

[Jekecy]

Competition is always good, but thanks to advertising the best do not usually rise to the top of the box office, nor does it match the general audience's taste.

Eh, there is nothing more concrete and objective than people personally taking the time out of their day to pay for your movie. Repeatedly. Tastes and expectations are clearly being met.

That's a whole lot more informative to me than rants and criticisms on the net over what "should" be successful.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

525 days, boys and girls.