BvS All Things Superman and Batman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - Part 18

[Saint]

How badly do fans wanna see this guy I wonder.

All-Star Superman is best Superman. Fact. All I could want is that movie.

 

[DA_Champion]

Yes he is still their son...but now the potential of the kryptonian race is now within him.

If he has more genetic diversity then he is not their son anymore.

Or, he is still their son, but his kids won't be their grandkids and thus not his kids ...

When I watched the movie, I interpreted it as Jor-El using Clark's body as a hard drive, with which future biological experiments (maybe with genesis chambers) could be used to recreate Krypton.

 

[Marvin]

Someone has to be the secretary during Justice League meetings.

yikes.

 

[roach]

If he has more genetic diversity then he is not their son anymore.

Or, he is still their son, but his kids won't be their grandkids and thus not his kids ...

When I watched the movie, I interpreted it as Jor-El using Clark's body as a hard drive, with which future biological experiments (maybe with genesis chambers) could be used to recreate Krypton.

I agree with your assessment but I think it still makes him their son.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I think purpose of Superman destroying the Genesis chamber was to take away Zod's reason for destroying Earth. If you destroy the chamber and Zod can't reproduce then he may leave Earth alone.

I could see that too, but I think of it more along the thematic lines of Superman's arc in the film which dovetails into his method of bringing the conflict with Zod to an end. In this version Superman becomes the Last Son of Krypton by his own hand. It is tragic, but I think that's why the end resonates with me so much. And on the plus side... Can you imagine the emotional fireworks that are going to pop if Kara is introduced later given what's come before?

 

[roach]

I could see that too, but I think of it more along the thematic lines of Superman's arc in the film which dovetails into his method of bringing the conflict with Zod to an end. In this version Superman becomes the Last Son of Krypton by his own hand. It is tragic, but I think that's why the end resonates with me so much. And on the plus side... Can you imagine the emotional fireworks that are going to pop if Kara is introduced later given what's come before?

I agree with your assessment.

 

[Marvin]

If he has more genetic diversity then he is not their son anymore.

Or, he is still their son, but his kids won't be their grandkids and thus not his kids ...

When I watched the movie, I interpreted it as Jor-El using Clark's body as a hard drive, with which future biological experiments (maybe with genesis chambers) could be used to recreate Krypton.

I thought that was the point
krytpon lives on in his legacy and all that...

If Clarks child isn't their grandkid, I think jor would be content in light of whose grandchild that baby will in fact be.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ All the ingredients for adapting a storyline that involves Superman, Batman, AND Wonder Woman.

And Darkseid

 

[Saint]

If you are referring to those birthing chambers and that whole system, I'm pretty sure Jor El would approve.

I am. Although Jor-El wanted to do away with Krypton's artificial method of birth, it was strongly implied the genesis chamber was still critical to his plan of restoring Krypton, even if he wanted to abolish such technology in the long-term.

It's suggested he sent Superman to Earth with the knowledge that there was a colony ship there containing such a chamber that Superman could then use to produce a Krpytonian population. One assumes he then intended for that population to breed naturally, but all the same, the chamber would have been necessary initially.

The alternative is if the "codex in the cells" thing was meant to create a Kryptonian population by having Superman breed with thousands of human women, but I don't think that's what the film intended to suggest. I don't think all of that data was actually a part of Clark's DNA, I think it was just information stored in his body. The alternative is really, really weird.

 

[InJustice]

I don't think that excuse works. Superman in the 1978 movie is also a newbie, and that didn't stop him from saving people. I know, different movies... But still

That's not a good comparison to make. (Disclaimer: I am not bashing the Donner films). On one hand, Superman from the Donner era was unrealistic in a way. That is, there's really little to no challenge for Superman to save people. Superman would either save the person(s) or reverse the decision to suit what he wants. Whereas in MOS, you could at least witness the degree of difficulty that superheroes would have if they were faced with the job of having to save people.

 

[DA_Champion]

I thought that was the point
krytpon lives on in his legacy and all that...

If Clarks child isn't their grandkid, I think jor would be content in light of whose grandchild that baby will in fact be.

Clark is supposed to be embody choice because he is a natural birth, and thus has a unique genetic structure.

But if he takes on the codex as his genetic structure, then he is no longer the product of a natural birth, but the most artificial of children.

 

[Marvin]

I could see that too, but I think of it more along the thematic lines of Superman's arc in the film which dovetails into his method of bringing the conflict with Zod to an end. In this version Superman becomes the Last Son of Krypton by his own hand. It is tragic, but I think that's why the end resonates with me so much. And on the plus side... Can you imagine the emotional fireworks that are going to pop if Kara is introduced later given what's come before?

over crowded

 

[MrsKent26]

Clark is supposed to be embody choice because he is a natural birth, and thus has a unique genetic structure.

But if he takes on the codex as his genetic structure, then he is no longer the product of a natural birth, but the most artificial of children.

Maybe the codex being added to his DNA doesn't alter what is there. It simply lies dormant until it's used for its intended purpose. And Kal has the choice of using it or not.

 

[roach]

Clark is supposed to be embody choice because he is a natural birth, and thus has a unique genetic structure.

But if he takes on the codex as his genetic structure, then he is no longer the product of a natural birth, but the most artificial of children.

he doesn't take on the codex as his genetic structure but it's there that get passed on to his children and then their children pass it to there children and so on and so on.

 

[DA_Champion]

Maybe the codex being added to his DNA doesn't alter what is there. It simply lies dormant until it's used for its intended purpose. And Kal has the choice of using it or not.

That works better.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

over crowded

I never meant in this film. In a later movie having Kara around would add some joy and lightness I think. One of the so called flaws of MOS. Plus, from the prequel comic and the shot of the open pod in the scout ship, Kara was on Goyer's mind in some capacity.

 

[Marvin]

I never meant in this film. In a later movie having Kara around would add some joy and lightness I think. One of the so called flaws of MOS. Plus, from the prequel comic and the shot of the open pod in the scout ship, Kara was on Goyer's mind in some capacity.

any other heroes not named superman take away from character development
I'm kidding.

 

[roach]

I never meant in this film. In a later movie having Kara around would add some joy and lightness I think. One of the so called flaws of MOS. Plus, from the prequel comic and the shot of the open pod in the scout ship, Kara was on Goyer's mind in some capacity.

and then he finds another Kryptonian ship with a dog, horse, and monkey.

 

[Marvin]

Clark is supposed to be embody choice because he is a natural birth, and thus has a unique genetic structure.

But if he takes on the codex as his genetic structure, then he is no longer the product of a natural birth, but the most artificial of children.

Clark represents choice and chance given his removal from a society that selects your pre birth and breds and educates you into a societal position in spite of your own inspiration.

I'm pretty sure the codex written into his code after the combination of his mom/dads' chromosomes hasn't affected his. It's all wonderfully vague and hypothetical.

I don't think the plan was for clark to fornicate with one thousand different females, but rather to have a natural child outside of that societal structure with the choice and chance to do as it pleases and carry one all of kryptons legacy within it.

Maybe the child can dress up like the 5th elmement.

 

[roach]

Maybe the child can dress up like the 5th elmement.

or Chris Tucker in the 5th Element

 

[Saint]

I never meant in this film. In a later movie having Kara around would add some joy and lightness I think. One of the so called flaws of MOS. Plus, from the prequel comic and the shot of the open pod in the scout ship, Kara was on Goyer's mind in some capacity.

I think the best option, as I mentioned before, would have been Superman salvaging the genesis chamber and preserving it in the Fortress of Solitude. That way, since nobody is around how knows how to use it with the Jor-El AI gone, you don't need to complicate things by adding more Kryptonians, but Superman still has hope that someday it will allow some aspect of Krypton to survive.

Really, just that note of optimism for the future (even if the restoration of Krypton is still uncertain, and at best far in the future) would have worked wonders for the portrayal of Superman. Just like the bottle city of Kandor, it's sad, but there's still hope there.

 

[Marvin]

Last son of krypton mythos is always tainted (to me) with the advent of his non evil kin. Restoring the planet seems like fun experiment, I'm still trying to live down his son from the last film. I personally like the decisions these mos producers made on this front.


These lists are always fun
http://www.pajiba.com/seriously_random_lists/2013-year-in-film-25-random-awards-for-the-year-that-was.php

 

[Marvin]

or Chris Tucker in the 5th Element

depends if he's a he or a she I suppose.

 

[roach]

depends if he's a he or a she I suppose.

Did his garb look masculine or feminine?

 

[Marvin]

Did his garb look masculine or feminine?

we'll know after the baby is born. Unless of course you want to pre select this stuff...oh shoot.