BvS All Things Superman and Batman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - Part 18

[TheNextNolan22]

This place is going down like the Titanic.

And I'll be out before then.

 

[Goshdarn Batman]

I am VERY glad I didn't spoil myself for MOS and I didn't even see it in theaters. I avoided everything until it was released on Blu-ray/DVD. I plan on taking off from the Hype about six months before the release of this film, and I'm not going to read too many spoiler-y things, but I think this time I might see it in theaters. We'll see.

I stay away from trailers. They always show the whole movie. Didn't know what was going to happen in MOS, TDKR and Avengers.

 

[Young Superman]

as far as the denzel Washington as john stewart / green lantern rumor goes, I'd be ok with it if he was not pushing 60.

 

[Kryptonian Warrior]

I have no interest in what el maybe says.

He may be a complete *****ebag, but he winds up being right many times. So who knows.

 

[Marvin]

He may be a complete *****ebag, but he winds up being right many times. So who knows.

I find the whole approach/situation a bit fickle. I mean given all the evidence out in the aether right now(particularly Dwayne Johnson), it's a credible rumor to put out there and hope sticks.

If that's this guy's method operandi, I really don't get the appeal. Seems like anyone can do it?

Something about his timing. The bale for batman rumor(that got thrown in his face), seems like just another credible guess given all that was in the aether at that particular point in time. If he had called Affleck that would be something.
His planet hulk thing was very telling imo.

more power to him.
It's a good guess.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Agreed with Marvin. That's also how it strikes me.

Its better than Jett going (i.e. pretending) "ooh I know but I won't tell!" though.

 

[bluerayer]

as far as the denzel Washington as john stewart / green lantern rumor goes, I'd be ok with it if he was not pushing 60.

But what do you think about Denzel as Lex? Join us in the Lex Luthor casting thread!

 

[Rowsdower!]

I just hope that if Cyborg does show up, he wears his original costume with tighty-whiteys and knee boots.

 

[charl_huntress]

I just hope that if Cyborg does show up, he wears his original costume with tighty-whiteys and knee boots.

I stay away from trailers. They always show the whole movie. Didn't know what was going to happen in MOS, TDKR and Avengers.

That's a good point. I didn't spoil myself with trailers either. I watched the first one and remember everyone on here mentioning Malick, or however you spell his name, and I watched the full trailer, but that was it.

 

[MrMaooz]

The MOS trailers really didn't spoil anything. Even with a 3 minute trailer, we barely knew anything.

 

[Sawyer]

I just hope that if Cyborg does show up, he wears his original costume with tighty-whiteys and knee boots.

He's not a drag queen.....





..... I assume.

 

[X Knight]

To me, Cyborg doesn't exist without Robin, Starfire, Raven, and Beast Boy. Boo Yah!!

I would love to see my favorite half demon daughter on the big screen though.

But then they'd probably **** her up like they did in the Injustice game and make her all hideous looking......

 

[Marvin]

The MOS trailers really didn't spoil anything. Even with a 3 minute trailer, we barely knew anything.

Yea I think it hurt them.
For all the talk of great marketing, they really didn't sell themselves of money shots the way avengers and others big films do(pRim even).
Given they were hoping to live off of wom and the immediate competition, they should have gone the other route imo.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I thought the 3rd MOS trailer had plenty of money shots.

 

[Kryptonian Warrior]

I find the whole approach/situation a bit fickle. I mean given all the evidence out in the aether right now(particularly Dwayne Johnson), it's a credible rumor to put out there and hope sticks.

If that's this guy's method operandi, I really don't get the appeal. Seems like anyone can do it?

Something about his timing. The bale for batman rumor(that got thrown in his face), seems like just another credible guess given all that was in the aether at that particular point in time. If he had called Affleck that would be something.
His planet hulk thing was very telling imo.

more power to him.
It's a good guess.

I didn't say he is right all the time. I said "many times". He does seem to have legit sources out there, but sometimes they fall through. People are allowed to be wrong from time to time. He has a really HUGE ego and when he's wrong, he tends to be an ass about it.

 

[Marvin]

I didn't say he is right all the time. I said "many times". He does seem to have legit sources out there, but sometimes they fall through. People are allowed to be wrong from time to time. He has a really HUGE ego and when he's wrong, he tends to be an ass about it.

I quoted you but didn't actually refute your opinion. Sorry.

On the matter,
I personally don't see how what he does is worth being considered any different than the rest of us to be honest. Other than probably enjoying a bunch of traffic/business for selling himself as a scooper and being right half the time.
I didn't know he had sources, though seems kinda odd given how much misinformation they give him. I'd be more inclined to believe he was a fortune teller..

Seems like a nice enough guy.

 

[Kryptonian Warrior]

I quoted you but didn't actually refute your opinion. Sorry.

On the matter,
I personally don't see how what he does is worth being considered any different than the rest of us to be honest. Other than probably enjoying a bunch of traffic/business for selling himself as a scooper and being right half the time.
I didn't know he had sources, though seems kinda odd given how much misinformation they give him. I'd be more inclined to believe he was a fortune teller..

Seems like a nice enough guy.

Sorry about that. I guess I just misunderstood you.

Well he claims that he has a bunch of sources and insiders. From what I understand, he is given information from the sources and many times, those sources are fed misleading information.

 

[Marvin]

I thought the 3rd MOS trailer had plenty of money shots.

I wasn't satisfied.
I remember talking about how the audience needed to be sold a superman that was different from the previous forgettable stuff, and alot of that came down to clearly framed shots of super powered fighting(as you see in just about every other superhero trailer).

This thing however, had wholly embedded footage from the previous trailers/teasers, then some flying, some villain yelling and that awkward flying punching thing at the end. I was pretty down on the marketing up until that point to be honest.

Then the nokia trailer dropped(smaller audience), and it was dope as hell.

 

[Showtime]

Cyborg! Metallo! Gus Gorman! Villians!

Just kidding...

 

[charl_huntress]

Cyborg! Metallo! Gus Gorman! Villians!

Just kidding...

lol...the way things have been going I don't really believe you.

 

[InJustice]

Because that's what Superman does: he pursues peace. I don't mean that, as Zod was flying his ship through Metropolis zapping humans, Superman should have proposed an academic debate. What I'm talking about is including, somewhere, a scene recognizing that Superman considered alternatives. His conversation with Zod would have been perfect; Superman suggests alternatives to mass extinction, Zod rebukes him, and we're done.

What's the point of that? It'd be a time waster and makes the story appear more contrived and predictable.

Even Kal-El knows that Krypton has terraformed other planets. The difficulty, and feasibility are unknown to him, and thus irrelevant. As such, the very first thing out of his mouth should be "Wait, why don't you just do this on one of those planets?" If it's not a feasible solution (which is possible since those colonies didn't survive, though the film isn't explicit about why), that's fine, and it's also fine if Zod dismisses it purely on the grounds of being a jerk--the important thing is that Superman at least make the appeal that extinction is not the only way.

The whole point of me citing that theory is not to comment from the perspective of Kal-El, but rather Zod and his crew (why you even brought Kal-El up is beyond me considering that it's painfully obvious he has no clue how terraforming works). Zod himself said "The foundation has to be built on something," implying that Earth has certain properties available that other planets lack. That alone negates your proposition that Superman should suggest to Zod that he should terraform another planet. Even if we assume that terraforming is possible in other planets (as the theory suggests), it would be a far more time-consuming task, since you'd have to terraform the planet until it gained Earth-like attributes and then modify that to have Krypton-like properties.

Additionally, from the standpoint of story-telling, it's contrived. Since it stands to reason that Zod isn't going to take Superman's words into account, it would simply be unnecessary and wasted screen-time on something that could've benefitted. Moreover, what's the point of Superman being part of a debate if he knows that Zod is apathetic towards human beings? What's to stop Zod from ignoring Superman's words completely and flying off to kill people?

So? Jor-El wanted integration. What I'm talking about isn't Jor-El's plans, it's Superman considering whatever possibilities allow both species to survive, even if he eventually realized they are ultimately untenable.

It's one thing to want integration (you can argue that Jor-El accomplished that...seeing as how the Kents had enough heart to raise an unknown as if he were one of their own), it's another thing entirely to put that plan into place. Zod was afraid of humans, and Humans were afraid of both Superman and Zod. Zod was stubborn in the sense that he wasn't willing to see integration, heck even Jor-El's AI warned him that he was committing genocide, and Zod still refused to see Jor-El's side of the story. That's emblematic of Old Krypton (inability to think beyond their own ideals). Either way, it ended up being impossible to ensure both group's survival.

I'm probably going to be **** on for using this analogy, but it reminds me of WWII: Hitler/Zod wanted to erase an Jewish People/Human Race because of his perception of them as inferior. Not to mention, his empire was growing. The Allies/Superman didn't stop to consider possibilities for both groups to co-exist, especially when there were more lives at risk. Instead, the threat had to be eliminated. I see nothing wrong with Superman's decisions in this case, I'd say that this is a case of idealism clashing with the reality of the situation.

 

[Marvin]

If you think of the human species as an ant hill...

 

[matt47]

The MOS trailers really didn't spoil anything. Even with a 3 minute trailer, we barely knew anything.

I wouldn't say the trailers spoiled much but I think all the tv spots and clips they released were the things that spoiled some of the movie for me, I know that's my fault but I was weak and giddy..

I'm gonna try my hardest to only watch the teaser, full trailer one and maybe if I really want to the second full trailer and that's it.
Hmm this is gonna be so difficult..

 

[WoodyROM]

That's my plan as well, watch the teaser and trailer 1 then bail. I tried last time but ended up watching everything they put out, so we'll see how it goes.

 

[roach]

smart. I can't do it anymore. every rumor is apparently truth to someone and it's just too ridiculous now. goodbye for now, shh (good riddance ,right?)

no not really. Everyone is welcome here.