BvS All Things Superman and Batman: An Open Discussion - Part 2

[mclay18]

As much as I hate Mayimbe, he has an update on the love interest casting bit on this movie. He says it's been pared down to four choices, but can't say. He does say it's not Wonder Woman, though.

http://latino-review.com/2013/10/update-female-role-batman-vs-superman/

I think Showtime and FilmNerdJamie are correct in that it's probably Barbara Gordon (Batgirl) or Vicki Vale instead.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Barbara gordon would be intresting.Except for hints during batman season 3 and revelation during Batman beyond they haven't gone there.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

As much as I hate Mayimbe, he has an update on the love interest casting bit on this movie. He says it's been pared down to four choices, but can't say. He does say it's not Wonder Woman, though.

http://latino-review.com/2013/10/update-female-role-batman-vs-superman/

I think Showtime and FilmNerdJamie are correct in that it's probably Barbara Gordon (Batgirl) or Vicki Vale instead.

I posted that earlier.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

If I had things my way, I would have these characters serve as the villains for the story:

• Lex Luthor (Main Antagonist of the story and for Superman)

• Deathstroke, aka Slade Wilson (Secondary Antagonist, working for Lex and main antagonist for Batman)

• Metallo (Minor Antagonist, again working for Lex and used as a means of giving Superman a super powered fight. Lex could build Metallo using the left over parts of Zod’s armor from the first film and present him as the ideal hero for the public, one that is at least of human origin when compared to Superman)

If Bruce really needs a female companion, make it be Sasha Bordeaux (I think I spelled her name properly). She serves a bodyguard for Bruce Wayne, while having ties to Checkmate (aka Amanda Waller), thus serving as a link to the larger DC world. She could be present with Bruce, under the guise of serving as his bodyguard, when in fact, she’s there to investigate both Superman and Batman.

Perfect villain choices, man.

 

[Rorschach2012]

>Clark is adjusting to life as a reporter and his relationship with Lois is growing, he can tell her anything, but worries about her safety
>introduce Jimmy Olsen at the Planet
>Alfred and Bruce talk about the events of Superman and how serious it is for someone to be that powerful, expresses concern about Superman's sincerity
>Wayne Industries working with Lexcorp to rebuild Metropolis
>Batman discovers Lex is shady, investigates, discovers pods where clones of Superman are being grown, and discovers Kryptonite surplus, both at Lexcorp, has to fight Mercy Graves before he can investigate
>Lex publicly criticizes Superman in an attempt to turn the public against him
>Batman and Superman confront each other, fight, Batman tells Superman what he knows, they start to trust each other
>Superman confronts Lex at Lexcorp, Lex insists Superman can proven nothing, Lex tries to make him doubt himself, insists he must be controlled
>Lex unleashes a mindless clone on the city, it destroys as much as it can for a few minutes, then retreats to Lexcorp
>Lex uses this against Superman, is able to turn everyone against him, effectively making Superman an outlaw
>Superman turns to Batman, they deduce that Lex is using the clones to destroy Metropolis to rebuild it in his name
>We see Superman clone start to deteriorate, he's becoming vicious and uncontrollable. Lex tries to get one of his workers to put Bizarro down, but Bizarro kills the worker and escapes, rampaging through Metropolis.
>Superman decides to take Bizarro down, and Batman plans to confront Luthor at Lexcorp.
>After a long fight, Bizarro ends up looking much like he does in the comics, and eventually becomes weak, as the clones never last long. Superman defeats him, but only after sustaining heavy damage. He then rushes to Lexcorp.
>Batman hacks into Lexcorp computers and discovers Lex's true motives. He intends to win over the city and the country by rebuilding the city after the devastation caused by the clones. Doing this would make him a beloved character around the world, and he intends to use this to help him in a bid for President. Lex discovers Batman snooping around and applauds him for discovering his secret, he then proceeds to suggest that the government is corrupt and that it's already been rigged and that he will be President. He suggests that there is a society that's even more powerful than Luthor that controls these things.
>Batman engages Luthor in a fist fight and quickly gains the upper hand, Mercy ambushes Batman and Luthor is able to escape
>Superman arrives and Lexcorp is empty. He is then surprised by Luthor in a giant powersuit powered by Kryptonite.
>Superman is already damaged from the fight with Bizarro, and gets his ass kicked by Lex.
>Just in time, Batman figures out a way to remove the Kryptonite from Luthor's suit, and Superman proceeds to kick Luthor's ass, and Mercy cowers in fear from the both of them
>In the end Batman and Superman can prove nothing against Lex, and we see the beginning of his campaign for Presidency
>Batman and Superman approve of each other. The public trusts Superman after they realize Bizarro was a clone. Superman gives Batman a piece of Kryptonite to keep just in case, they shake hands and everything is good

add in some more scenes with Lois and the planet and Bruce's love interest and I'd be satisfied

 

[Broseph44]

>Clark is adjusting to life as a reporter and his relationship with Lois is growing, he can tell her anything, but worries about her safety
>introduce Jimmy Olsen at the Planet
>Alfred and Bruce talk about the events of Superman and how serious it is for someone to be that powerful, expresses concern about Superman's sincerity
>Wayne Industries working with Lexcorp to rebuild Metropolis
>Batman discovers Lex is shady, investigates, discovers pods where clones of Superman are being grown, and discovers Kryptonite surplus, both at Lexcorp, has to fight Mercy Graves before he can investigate
>Lex publicly criticizes Superman in an attempt to turn the public against him
>Batman and Superman confront each other, fight, Batman tells Superman what he knows, they start to trust each other
>Superman confronts Lex at Lexcorp, Lex insists Superman can proven nothing, Lex tries to make him doubt himself, insists he must be controlled
>Lex unleashes a mindless clone on the city, it destroys as much as it can for a few minutes, then retreats to Lexcorp
>Lex uses this against Superman, is able to turn everyone against him, effectively making Superman an outlaw
>Superman turns to Batman, they deduce that Lex is using the clones to destroy Metropolis to rebuild it in his name
>We see Superman clone start to deteriorate, he's becoming vicious and uncontrollable. Lex tries to get one of his workers to put Bizarro down, but Bizarro kills the worker and escapes, rampaging through Metropolis.
>Superman decides to take Bizarro down, and Batman plans to confront Luthor at Lexcorp.
>After a long fight, Bizarro ends up looking much like he does in the comics, and eventually becomes weak, as the clones never last long. Superman defeats him, but only after sustaining heavy damage. He then rushes to Lexcorp.
>Batman hacks into Lexcorp computers and discovers Lex's true motives. He intends to win over the city and the country by rebuilding the city after the devastation caused by the clones. Doing this would make him a beloved character around the world, and he intends to use this to help him in a bid for President. Lex discovers Batman snooping around and applauds him for discovering his secret, he then proceeds to suggest that the government is corrupt and that it's already been rigged and that he will be President. He suggests that there is a society that's even more powerful than Luthor that controls these things.
>Batman engages Luthor in a fist fight and quickly gains the upper hand, Mercy ambushes Batman and Luthor is able to escape
>Superman arrives and Lexcorp is empty. He is then surprised by Luthor in a giant powersuit powered by Kryptonite.
>Superman is already damaged from the fight with Bizarro, and gets his ass kicked by Lex.
>Just in time, Batman figures out a way to remove the Kryptonite from Luthor's suit, and Superman proceeds to kick Luthor's ass, and Mercy cowers in fear from the both of them
>In the end Batman and Superman can prove nothing against Lex, and we see the beginning of his campaign for Presidency
>Batman and Superman approve of each other. The public trusts Superman after they realize Bizarro was a clone. Superman gives Batman a piece of Kryptonite to keep just in case, they shake hands and everything is good

add in some more scenes with Lois and the planet and Bruce's love interest and I'd be satisfied

This is way to much just all jumbled together to bother reading.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

This is way to much just all jumbled together to bother reading.

Well I read it, and I liked it.

I've written almost the exact same story with Bizarro as well. It practically writes itself.

 

[Herolee10]

Does anyone remember on who's casting was announced first between Shannon and Antje for MOS?

I'm just curious since if Shannon's casting was announced before Antje, then I would have imagined that we would have gotten an announcement for our villain for this film before this new female lead.

Whoever this mystery character is, the fact that she's being searched for and announced right after Ben, I wonder if that implies the significance of her character.

 

[DA_Champion]

Honestly, I don't think MOS had too many characters.

Nolan's "TDK" has proven that you can have a good amount of characters as long as you know how to balance and fit them into the story.

TDK was able to have "a lot" of characters (not as many as people are proposing for MoS II) because Nolan is an exceptionally good director, and because it built on a very firm foundation established in Batman Begins. Each of Bruce Wayne, Batman, Rachel Dawes, Alfred, Gordon, and their relevant interactions were not just already introduced, but introduced in a satisfying manner. In contrast, MoS is not nearly as firm a foundation as BB, and Snyder does not compare favourably to Nolan, so BvS is unlikely to succeed if it as ambitious as TDK.

Personally though, I still don't completely get the hate that MOS gets. When you take away the huge expectations that people had for the film prior to its release and see it for what it is after that, it's not a bad film, especially not as bad as the likes of Wolverine Origins, X3, Spider-Man 3, or Superman Returns.

It's because people like Superman and want Superman movies to be good. Very few people care if Wolverine Origins, Elektra, or Green Lantern are terrible. It's the same reason people were angry about Star Wars Episode II, it's not the worst movie ever made, but that's not good enough for a Star Wars movie. Would you tell someone pissed about Episode II that it's a better movie than Battle: Los Angeles? And if you did, would they not look back at you incredulously, because you had made a totally irrelevant point?

With respect to Spider Man 3, it was a bad movie that followed two better movies, so it could be seen as an inevitable failure, kind of like a good baseball player who gets a strike out after hitting two doubles. You won't hate him for it. Similarly in the case for Wolverine: Origins and X3, there have been 6 X-Men movies in the current continuity, so a couple of them being terrible is totally fine.

Anyhow, if you want to make a genuine effort of understanding people's concerns, read:
Film Critic Hulk:
http://badassdigest.com/2013/07/03/film-crit-hulk-man-of-steel/

io9's Charlie Jane Anders, more positive review with some concerns:
http://io9.com/man-of-steel-worth-it-just-for-the-super-powered-comba-513338058

Another generally positive review, with some concerns:
http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/man-of-steel-2013

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

Does anyone remember on who's casting was announced first between Shannon and Antje for MOS?

I'm just curious since if Shannon's casting was announced before Antje, then I would have imagined that we would have gotten an announcement for our villain for this film before this new female lead.

Whoever this mystery character is, the fact that she's being searched for and announced right after Ben, I wonder if that implies the significance of her character.

i think a lot of us think that as well.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

as much as i'd want it to be wonder woman, if wb's ceo is saying that they need to get her in film or a tv show, she's probably not written or being written into batsupe.

 

[CharlieS]

A brief cameo of Wonder Woman at most.

 

[smallville fan]

If I had things my way, I would have these characters serve as the villains for the story:

• Lex Luthor (Main Antagonist of the story and for Superman)

• Deathstroke, aka Slade Wilson (Secondary Antagonist, working for Lex and main antagonist for Batman)

• Metallo (Minor Antagonist, again working for Lex and used as a means of giving Superman a super powered fight. Lex could build Metallo using the left over parts of Zod’s armor from the first film and present him as the ideal hero for the public, one that is at least of human origin when compared to Superman)

If Bruce really needs a female companion, make it be Sasha Bordeaux (I think I spelled her name properly). She serves a bodyguard for Bruce Wayne, while having ties to Checkmate (aka Amanda Waller), thus serving as a link to the larger DC world. She could be present with Bruce, under the guise of serving as his bodyguard, when in fact, she’s there to investigate both Superman and Batman.

This

Did anybody see this?

http://tribune.com.pk/story/615664/affleck-wants-larry-david-in-man-of-steel-sequel/

Affleck has been roped in to play Batman in the movie.
David and Affleck have been talking about the idea of the former playing the role of Superman’s enemy, Mr Myxlplyx, in the movie, that features both Batman and Superman, reports radaronline.com.
“They chatted about the idea with earnest abandon throughout the course of Emmy weekend. Larry has long been courted by the big budget superhero industrial complex, being linked to roles in the Sam Raimi ‘Spider-Man’ sequels nearly a decade ago,” said a source.
David trusts Affleck and is considering the offer.

So basically it's:

for

Two words: YEAHHH NNNNOOOOO!

The only super-villain that has any right to be in this movie is:

 

[CharlieS]

I think Lex luthor is a good idea but i don't want see a Batman's villain.

 

[DA_Champion]

I think that Enver Gjokaj would make a terrific Mr Myxlplyx, but there is no chance of him being cast.

 

[SpideyFan866]

No one knows what the villain is.

RadarOnline's source jokingly suggested that he be playing Mxyzptlk.

 

[Smallville13]

I think the Diana Prince/WW theory is very silly. There's no way they're gonna spend a huge amount of time and resources in finding their future leading lady for what will only be a bit-role in MOS. This is Batman and Superman people. That's enough for now. Lois/Amy Adams is our lady star, let's not take away from her. I'm sure Bruce will have nameless women around his arms in public. He won't look queer. I thought that was the silliest rumor until I read the Mxy one...

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

I think the Diana Prince/WW theory is very silly. There's no way they're gonna spend a huge amount of time and resources in finding their future leading lady for what will only be a bit-role in MOS.

as opposed to shoehorning her in with the rest of the league in jl in 2017. it could be a bit role in batman/superman, it could be more. their have been rumors of a solo in 2016, what better way to introduce her in what will surely be dc's biggest film to date? i don't see what's so silly about it.

This is Batman and Superman people. That's enough for now. Lois/Amy Adams is our lady star, let's not take away from her.

they just "took it away" from cavill by adding batman. so what's the problem?

the end game is a justice league movie. that's what a lot of people want. whatever steps they can take in order to get there (so long as it's the right step) is a good thing.

 

[DA_Champion]

Yeah, the most important thing in the world is to make an epic justice league movie.

/sarc

 

[Smallville13]

Honestly... Nope.

I guarantee you 7 out of 8 people you ask on the street wouldn't know what the Justice League is.

100% of people would just have to hear Batman vs Superman and they'd be like 'hell yes!'.

This movie is just as big if not bigger and more important that an entire JL ensemble.

 

[DA_Champion]

Honestly... Nope.

I guarantee you 7 out of 8 people you ask on the street wouldn't know what the Justice League is.

100% of people would just have to hear Batman vs Superman and they'd be like 'hell yes!'.

This movie is just as big if not bigger and more important that an entire JL ensemble.

I agree, hence the sarc

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

you, da and those 8 people on the street aren't wb. its what they want to do. it's their end game, so yeah.

 

[STARMAN]

Stick to Superman and Batman while including their most important supporting characters. I don't want appearances by WW or any other superhero. Save that for Justice League.

 

[Smallville13]

Assuming everything goes well and Superman/Batman is good, what would we rather see follow? Solo films for Batman and Superman, another World's Finest movie, or JL?

I mean ideally all of the above. But what should come first?

 

[roach]

Assuming everything goes well and Superman/Batman is good, what would we rather see follow? Solo films for Batman and Superman, another World's Finest movie, or JL?

I mean ideally all of the above. But what should come first?

If I was doing it I would have BvsS lead into JL...intro the other heroes in JL and then spin them off into solo films.