BvS All Things Superman and Batman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 32

[roach]

Ugh. I hope not.

Keep that Secret Origin/Superboy/Smallville stuff away from the movies I say.

His original origin?

 

[InJustice]

Bruce: I won't kill you. But I don't have to shave you!

A hero can be anyone, even a man doing something simple and reassuring as putting a wig on top of a young man's bald head, to let him know the world hadn't ended.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Even with classic silver age Lex, I disliked the idea of Lex and Clark as boyhood friends.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Ugh. I hope not.

Keep that Secret Origin/Superboy/Smallville stuff away from the movies I say.

Never read any of those but in the other comics I've read Lex was almost always his childhood friend. Seems to me this movie is based loosely Birthright in particular

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Here's something I'd like to get a read on from others about.

I remember a silver age story about Luthor doing something every year on a specific day and at the end Superman figures out that the dau is Einstein's birthday. Lex I think was trying to honor the great man, and even breaks down and cries, real tears before Superman returns him to prison because Lex idolized Einstein so much.

For a modern Lex, do you think it's in character for him to have "heroes" that inspire him and he wants to emulate or does that feel off for a more Randian self made man take that's common for Lex these days?

 

[Black Narcissus]

 

[MrsKent26]

Here's something I'd like to get a read on from others about.

I remember a silver age story about Luthor doing something every year on a specific day and at the end Superman figures out that the dau is Einstein's birthday. Lex I think was trying to honor the great man, and even breaks down and cries, real tears before Superman returns him to prison because Lex idolized Einstein so much.

For a modern Lex, do you think it's in character for him to have "heroes" that inspire him and he wants to emulate or does that feel off for a more Randian self made man take that's common for Lex these days?

I prefer the latter.

I see Lex viewing himself as an anomaly amongst humans, like he somehow has greater potential than what has come before. He wants to reach the pinnacle by his own means and by his own agenda.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Hmm. For me it would depend on how it's portrayed. I liked the way Ozymandias idolized Alexander in Watchmen, for example. In regards to Lex the only way I've regularly seen him portrayed is as a man who feels he has no equal, so giving him idols who are already dead would make sense in a way. I dunno. Would need a specific example. Personally I don't like how that Einstein one sounds. Einstein was an eccentric kook. I don't think Lex would idolize that, it seems to foreign to his behavior.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Never read any of those but in the other comics I've read Lex was almost always his childhood friend. Seems to me this movie is based loosely Birthright in particular

I'd say the MOS-verse is like many takes on Supes since the junked the immediate Post Crisis Byrne/Carlin era, a grab bag of many Superman eras and influences. There's a little of this and that spread all over.

 

[Capt. Marvelous]

Look at the shot of Superman coming from behind the locomotive engine in Smallville. The close up on his boots when he faces the Rangers. Looks like there is a considerable lift built inside those things around the heel to me. And Swanwick was in another room in the handcuff scene when he's face to face with Supes in front of the two way mirror. It seems to have a raised floor in comparison to where Lois and Superman are. I could be wrong though.

These are the pics I meant

 

[Poni_Boy]

I'd say the MOS-verse is like many takes on Supes since the junked the immediate Post Crisis Byrne/Carlin era, a grab bag of many Superman eras and influences. There's a little of this and that spread all over.

I'm specifically talking about their approach to Lex and his relationship with Clark in the next movie. I'm getting a big Birthright vibe. Didn't see any of the Birthright stuff in MOS

 

[Herolee10]

Honestly, if they did go down the route where Clark and Lex were childhood friends within the MOS canon, then I guess that would mean that we would get more flashbacks.

 

[MrsKent26]

I hope Lex and Clark aren't former friends in BvsS. Seen it in Smallville and don't want to see it again.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Well you're in luck if you believe what LR says

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I hope Lex and Clark aren't former friends in BvsS. Seen it in Smallville and don't want to see it again.

I am right there with you MrsK.

 

[titansupes]

I am right there with you MrsK.

Oh man, me too.

 

[MrsKent26]

Insignificant little Smallville nods are fine with me, but please don't borrow major plot lines. It would take the adventure out of it a bit. I want a different Lex.

 

[NoLaNitE007]

It's hilarious to me how people are reacting to this, and imagining the most stereotypical ideas about gangs and tattoo.

Pathetic.

I was thinking the exact same thing buddy!

Sad isn't it?

 

[Poni_Boy]

So he was childhood friends with Lex in Smallville? Isn't that just like the comics though?

 

[Broseph44]

Posted this in the Batsuit thread. Besides the Batsuit itself just imagine seeing something like this on the big screen come to life. The two on a rooftop like this. In Metropolis or Gotham, in the snow at night no less. Chills

Spoiler

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Hmm... What if a big departure for Lex in this is him knowing Clark is Superman? That would be pretty radical. No amnesia, no "I found out but I can't accept Superman playing regular dude" but full on, "I know who you are and I know how to REALLY hurt you Superman."

 

[NoLaNitE007]

Hilarious. They know who they are in here also......

 

[smallville fan]

Ugh. I hope not.

Keep that Secret Origin/Superboy/Smallville stuff away from the movies I say.

Honestly, if they did go down the route where Clark and Lex were childhood friends within the MOS canon, then I guess that would mean that we would get more flashbacks.

I hope Lex and Clark aren't former friends in BvsS. Seen it in Smallville and don't want to see it again.

Insignificant little Smallville nods are fine with me, but please don't borrow major plot lines. It would take the adventure out of it a bit. I want a different Lex.

To all this I say:

Smallville really did get a good handle on how Clark Kent could live in a post 9/11 world and really fleshed out Clark Kent's psyche and character over the 10 year period and Herolee has the right idea about it and also aren't we all forgetting they did the Superhero crossover stuff before Marvel ever thought of it?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I... I just dislike A LOT that was on SMALLVILLE. Sorry. Besides the patina of it in the MOS-verse is just about right to me.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

To all this I say: