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BvS All Things Superman and Batman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - Part 61

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Keeping it simple is critical for the film as it is introducing Batman and WW and a few other JL characters (Cyborg). The film has to manage its time.

Some think the Superman statue is a memorial statue and that they will do the death of story in the film. But think of it. Squeezing that in too. Not that they won't kill off Superman down the line but in this film I'm sure it won't happen and just as sure also there won't be a triangle.
 
Regarding the "love triangle" stuff... I don't see that happening. I know it's a thing in the New 52 but I wouldn't worry about that. Like many have said, Amy Adams is a big name with a lot of talent, and I don't think they'd want to screw her over character-wise like that. Now Batman and Wonder Woman on the other hand... THAT could be interesting.

Agreed and Amy Adams said she's not interested in triangles where two women fight over a man.

And why would you try and screwing over Pound 4 Pound your best actor in this cast?.
 
Just don't see them doing a triangle in BvsS. Beyond that its hard to say how big a role Adams will even have in future films. Doubt she has to worry about a triangle involving her and WW.

One scene I would have liked to see in Man of Steel is the Superman killing Zod scene being changed. He goes to snap his neck, and then the body falls away and Superman falls to his knees in shock at what has occured. There's no sound at first. Everything is eerily quiet and then you hear Clark's heart beating quickly. You hear the tears falling on the ground. We see a shadow behind him, its Lois Lane (who has seen what happened). She bends down and he looks at her with shock and then relief, that there is somebody to hold him at this moment. Then the camera pulls back and you just see the two of them there. Then it would have been nice had they followed it up with a scene of Clark in Smallville, talking with his mother. She heard what happened and they talk about it, as they come to Pa Kent's grave and he looks at her and asks "Do you think he would have been proud of me?" and she puts a hand on his shoulder and says gently "He always was Clark. We both were. I still am." And they hug.
 
Agreed and Amy Adams said she's not interested in triangles where two women fight over a man.

And why would you try and screwing over Pound 4 Pound your best actor in this cast?.

Agree Adams is probably the best actor in the cast. Hope she gets a fair amount of screentime in the film. My concern is JL. Its hard to see her used much in JL films. WB needs to hang onto her.
 
No thanks to any WW romance in BvS. Take care of the other more key relationships first: Bats and Superman, Clark and Lois, Supes and Lex.
 
I wish I could just be involved with writing Lex with Terrio. I love villains. They are so fun to write. Writing Lex would be so simple and fun. "This alien had a grudge match in the middle of our city with another of his kind throwing each other through buildings. These are powerful gods. Imagine how simple it could be to kill a human. Probably a tap from his finger could kill you. And you find this alien a hero? You trust this alien to protect you and your children?"

Kind of was a little influenced by Bane and his Wall Street speech in that a bit.

You are right. Lex should be the easiest to write with the events in MOS being perfect fodder for his character. I could totally see him running for office and using anti-Superman rhetoric as his platform.
 
If the military is involved like we think I hoped General Sam Lane would've been cast.
 
Agree Adams is probably the best actor in the cast. Hope she gets a fair amount of screentime in the film. My concern is JL. Its hard to see her used much in JL films. WB needs to hang onto her.

That's one thing I am curious about - how many films has Adams signed on for?
 
No thanks to any WW romance in BvS. Take care of the other more key relationships first: Bats and Superman, Clark and Lois, Supes and Lex.

They are not going to do any SM/WW romance. That is just zryson's latest attempt to cast doubt on the production.

There might be a hint of jealousy from Lois toward WW but that would probably be it. Lois and Clark will still be an item.
 
When you think about it, Lex is the easiest character to write in this film.

Think about all the problems people had in this film:

Superman killing
Superman not saving people
Superman causing destruction

Sure you can defend some of these points but to someone like Lex, these are reasons for people not to trust Superman. It's so easy to hate Superman in the MOS universe.

Those 3 points in particular I find more effective on convincing fanboys why superman wasn't good enough. For example take those same 3 points and apply them to to the Ironman/Cap2/Thor films...it all applies, only in that context it's for some reason far less convincing and obvious, unless you are hoping for a villain that overtly goes against the grain with a spin. These same sort of spin would argue against the batman statue at the end of TDKR for the very same 3 points mind you.

But for some reason with superman these same points will ring more true to the in film citizens? I personally don't get it. The only real rational I see landing on far and away on point is that superman is one of them and not one of us and a god, then perhaps layering some of that other stuff in there in a supplementary nature.

My point is why is it those three points would be a given in the world of superman, but not in any other? I get why fanboys and Waid do what they do, but when it comes to the in film citizen, there is no explanation for the discrepancy in standards. That is, without an obvious and obtuse spin on the the part of Luthor and the (bought out) media of course.

I think playing up the alien/one of them/all powerful angle is Luthor strongest play. As it's always been!
lol at not saving people. Luthor himself being one of the billions saved. Guess that would be an interesting talking point if only to show the flawed thinking for what it really is but on film. Would be really interesting to see how the cinematic audeince(and fanboys) relate to the evil characters putting out the obvious spin. Would feel pretty metta to me.

I will admit that the thing about the comic book citizen is that they can be played up in several different ways based on the nature of the spin they are fed. From the Xmen citizen to the spiderman citizen, any hero can be painted in the negative light especially when there is an element of fear and power involved...Doing such a thing with Superman would no doubt be as easy. It would also be relatively different from what's come before which I would argue is new and fresh. However when you start playing that game, you run the risk of pissing off even more purists, no doubt leading to more issues all star comics being held up and shook.
 
They are not going to do any SM/WW romance. That is just zryson's latest attempt to cast doubt on the production.

There might be a hint of jealousy from Lois toward WW but that would probably be it. Lois and Clark will still be an item.

I'll say it once only - stop trying to make trouble HH.
 
The fact is we don't know what will they do.

After the first movie, i personnaly doubt that they're going to not build on supe and Lois relashionship, but to put Wonder Woman in the mix would add conflicts.

I'm not sure that they will do it fully, in the next movie, but some subtle hints might be there.

That and because it seem that they are heading into a new 52 approach...

But for the moment, we cannot affirm anything one way or the other.
 
I loved that Wonder Woman Han Soloed Superman in that first arc.

Superman: "I love you."

Wonder Woman: "I know."

Ech, anytime I see any sort of Supes/WW romance, I feel nauseous. It's just wrong, imo. They should be like brother/sister.
 
Agreed and Amy Adams said she's not interested in triangles where two women fight over a man.

And why would you try and screwing over Pound 4 Pound your best actor in this cast?.

They are not going to. There are ways to work Lois into both this film and JL. She'll just be investigating Luthor and discover his real plans, and possibly the big villain behind JL.
 
The fact is we don't know what will they do.

After the first movie, i personnaly doubt that they're going to not build on supe and Lois relashionship, but to put Wonder Woman in the mix would add conflicts.

I'm not sure that they will do it fully, in the next movie, but some subtle hints might be there.

That and because it seem that they are heading into a new 52 approach...

But for the moment, we cannot affirm anything one way or the other.

If its true and they are trying to align the new movie universe with The New 52 I wonder if some of Wonder Woman's costume will be done via computers? I remember reading an interview with the costume designer and he was looking at various forms of material and tech.
 
Ugh. I don't want WW to be with any man other than Steve Trevor. I don't even want the film to hint at jealousy from Lois towards WW. Just let WW co
exist alongside her male colleagues without there being any indication of sex.
 
They are not going to. There are ways to work Lois into both this film and JL. She'll just be investigating Luthor and discover his real plans, and possibly the big villain behind JL.

I agree you'd think in the 60 odd years of there being a Justice League that Lois Lane wasn't part of any Justice League stories?

She's a investigative reporter/Journalist you can fit her into a few different arcs in a film.
 
Ugh. I don't want WW to be with any man other than Steve Trevor. I don't even want the film to hint at jealousy from Lois towards WW. Just let WW co
exist alongside her male colleagues without there being any indication of sex.

That's a really good point Nicky! Besides, we already saw some of the male superheroes fawning over Wonder Woman in Justice League War.
 
I agree you'd think in the 60 odd years of there being a Justice League that Lois Lane wasn't part of any Justice League stories?

She's a investigative reporter/Journalist you can fit her into a few different arcs in a film.

Exactly. I don't know what everyone is so worked up about with this angle of "Lois not having anything to do".
 
Speaking of Justice League War, the sales performance figures are in - it performed nearly at the same level as Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox but there was a sharp decline from the earlier Justice League Doom. But it did a lot better than either of the two animated Superman movies (Elite and Unbound.)
 
I think most of us believe Lex is going to play up the "Alien" angle at some point it is just too perfect a card to play. I still believe though the citizens will be split down the middle on their opinions of Superman. Some will love him for saving the world, some will hate him for destroying parts of Metropolis and some will be on the fence. It is going to almost be metatextual to how people reacted to MOS. That is the realism they are going for...not everyone will just bow at the alter of super-being.

As for the statue, I think it is an insignificant factor. I am sure it is built by the city for help in the efforts post MOS (my guess is we get a nice montage/story by Lois Lane showing us this) and it is completely destroyed in the movie in the fight Supes/Bats is in. I think part of the reason they tweeted the photo (and not seemed to care about the tweeted "leaked" photo) is because they are trolling the fan like they did with MOS. Some of the stuff they let the fans believe leading up to MOS was epic and the internet played along like lemmings. They want people foaming at the mouth for the next 2 years so by the time thiss comes out there will be no doubt it is the movie to see.
 
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