BvS All Things Superman and Batman: An Open Discussion - Part 96

[Marvin]

What I don't understand is why some people are desperately trying to defend the urban legend thing it just seems so silly. "No, you must understand this makes so much sense!!"

1) It's hardly desperate.
2) Further you'll probably find such people defending most of the non sense found in this material with the same level of energy. What you might find interesting however is every now and then there be people who decide the 'buck stops here' with the amount of non sense they are willing to buy.

That a batman(let alone the nolan one) can function in major city for as he does without the CIA and their stuff in space putting a stop to it for example. That the majority of 'criminals' he helps arrest would even see court...the list goes on but where does the buck stop I wonder. That's actually the part I myself find hard to understand.

For the people that truly are confounded by the idea, to each their own but to the people that are simply deciding it's 'too much', I personally see such folks in the like of people deciding the effects of gamma radiation debatable yet irradiated genetics to be 'the buck stopping area'. Hypocritical in a sense.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Something that people need to consider about Batman being an urban legend....... is that, not only will he likely be a low key Batman (Not driving the Batmobile on rooftops, not strapping thugs to searchlights for makeshift, etc. ), but he will have only operated in Gotham. Meaning, it won't neccesarily be (and likely won't be) JUST an urban legend in Gotham.

Perhaps people in Gotham know he exists, and/or rather know the legend well, but it won't be a situation like the Nolan films where there was absolute, definite evidence that he existed. Like this:

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More specifically, it'll be like in Batman '89.

In that film, Batman had been operating for a long time (at least 10 years). That said, there was no actual proof he existed. Hell, not even Gordon knew about him yet (though its likely him, and only him, will know in this version).

All there was were claims by beaten down and broken criminals who all claimed to being "thrashed by a giant bat".

In that version, he was nothing more than a myth; an urban legend to those who had never encountered him. And when they did meet him, they shat their ****ing pants.

It will be virtually the same here. The difference being the amount of time that Batman has operated, and that we'll get a perspective on Batman from people in a city that's NOT Gotham, and what they do when Batman appears in their city.

The city in this case: Metropolis

The people, or persons: Superman, who likely decides to visit Gotham as Clark Kent, when someone (or something) thats not supposed to exist, shows up in a city thats not theirs.

 

[Destructus86]

You know what this movie needs? More Superheroes.

 

[Marvin]

You know what this movie needs? More Superheroes.

How many so far?

 

[Guts]

Christopher Nolan's original plan for the big guy in The Dark Knight Rises.

Spoiler

 

[NoLaNitE007]

http://batman-news.com/2014/09/14/gotham-review-youve-never-seen-city-quite-like/

Looking forward to this show! t:

 

[NoLaNitE007]

How many so far?

3.

S, B, WW.

Only cameos/quick introductions from Victor/Cyborg, Arthur/AQM, and possibly Barry/Flash.

The "too many superheroes" in BvS is a total myth!

 

[I Am The Knight]

1) It's hardly desperate.

DA_Champion is quite desperate to have people accept this, it would seem. What's funny is that this BS is just a rumor

2) Further you'll probably find such people defending most of the non sense found in this material with the same level of energy. What you might find interesting however is every now and then there be people who decide the 'buck stops here' with the amount of non sense they are willing to buy.

That a batman(let alone the nolan one) can function in major city for as he does without the CIA and their stuff in space putting a stop to it for example. That the majority of 'criminals' he helps arrest would even see court...the list goes on but where does the buck stop I wonder. That's actually the part I myself find hard to understand.

What the CIA is up to doesn't matter. What does matter is that a tank is driving through the streets, a Bat-signal is mounted on top of police headquarters, thugs are being arrested saying they were beat up by a "bat-man", etc. We know people have eyes, ears, and a functioning brain in this universe yes? We know journalists such as Lois exist (you know, the kind of people who make it their job to uncover this kind of stuff) and yet old Bats, after 30 years, is still just a myth

For the people that truly are confounded by the idea, to each their own but to the people that are simply deciding it's 'too much', I personally see such folks in the like of people deciding the effects of gamma radiation debatable yet irradiated genetics to be 'the buck stopping area'. Hypocritical in a sense.

You're goddamned right that the buck stops here. Super-science, pseudo science? Sure, because it's vague stuff. Everyone covering their eyes and ears and going lalala regarding this Batman? Nope.

More specifically, it'll be like in Batman '89.

In that film, Batman had been operating for a long time (at least 10 years).

Eh? What are you basing this on?

 

[roach]

Let's wait and see how they handle it before we bash them for it

 

[Marvin]

What the CIA is up to doesn't matter. What does matter is that a tank is driving through the streets, a Bat-signal is mounted on top of police headquarters, thugs are being arrested saying they were beat up by a "bat-man", etc. We know people have eyes, ears, and a functioning brain in this universe yes? We know journalists such as Lois exist (you know, the kind of people who make it their job to uncover this kind of stuff) and yet old Bats, after 30 years, is still just a myth



You're goddamned right that the buck stops here. Super-science, pseudo science? Sure, because it's vague stuff. Everyone covering their eyes and ears and going lalala regarding this Batman? Nope.

You're doing this very thing right here. Covering your eyes and shouting lalala. 'We know journalists such as lois exist'(then you go on to explain her job), take this same quasi analysis and determine just what kinda modern resources would be employed to uncover and put a stop to the above the law and all but functional terrorist that is batman by said city and by extension US gov't in response to his continued existence. It's really simple, he's a working criminal with military hardware on US soil(I know it's pretty crazy in the states but I'm not so sure the second amendment covers that). First they will uncover whom he infact is(central intelligence and our top spies aren't nearly as inept as many claim they be), then proceed forward at their discretion. Assuming Wayne himself is using his own personal wealth and not his publicly traded companies money at the pace he seems to, there are a bunch of other reasons he would no doubt be brought down....that is in the world that 'makes sense' and not the one where we cover our ears.
I only bring up satellites cause I figure that would be the easiest way to track where it is his car comes from and goes back to(unless he uses one of his temp locations). I suppose his ability to hack into said systems would be the next order of business but then again...nolan bats didn't seem like he could hang imo.

No, all that seems to matter is what you will call out for being nonsense when it comes to batman working and what you will accept.

A tank driving through the streets right now doesn't prove batman exists. A giant symbol in the sky right now in my or your city doesn't prove batman exists(sry but it doesn't, not as much as a giant symbol of a slice of cheese prove a cheese man hero exists). Every criminal in my city swearing up and down they have been beat up by Superman/The Easter bunny or Jesus himself doesn't prove any such thing.
A flying sleigh drawn by Raindeer however, and on camera, myth proven.
Just saying.

 

[dhandler01]

Let's wait and see how they handle it before we bash them for it

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

Let's wait and see how they handle it before we bash them for it

What? What is this? Are you suggesting we "watch the film before we judge it"?

Weirdo.

 

[zryson]

Am I the only one who thinks Batman as an urban legend is silly? The concept of Batman is pretty silly, period.

I can see an urban legend concept working for a few years, but beyond that, not so much. Hopefully Snyder and Terrio have created a solid back-story for Batman.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Zryson are Mattel doing the BvS toys?

 

[NoLaNitE007]

Let's wait and see how they handle it before we bash them for it

Oh..nooooo...I don't think so....not in here!

 

[NoLaNitE007]

I can see an urban legend concept working for a few years, but beyond that, not so much. Hopefully Snyder and Terrio have created a solid back-story for Batman.

No! I don't think they have actually....

 

[Spider-Aziz]

@NoLaNitE007: Your signature makes me wish Robin Williams played the role of Penguin or any other Batman villain before his passing away

 

[zryson]

In reply to the member's question, Mattel will be doing the toys for Batman v Superman, as well as other Warner Bros TV series (such as Arrow, The Flash, etc). There was an official announcement made in June of this year. Toy brands involved in the deal by Mattel also include Hot Wheels, Barbie and Fisher-Price.

 

[Lencho01]

I can see an urban legend concept working for a few years, but beyond that, not so much. Hopefully Snyder and Terrio have created a solid back-story for Batman.

A few years is silly. Even a month is silly. That's the point. Batman is silly. As DA pointed out, in a take that is supposedly "real," people accepted ridiculous ideas. But, somehow people can't accept Batman being some urban legend for so many years. This is in the same universe where Lois Lane is able to figure out who Clark really is, but the government can't.

 

[NoLaNitE007]

@NoLaNitE007: Your signature makes me wish Robin Williams played the role of Penguin or any other Batman villain before his passing away

Yessir!

He would have been great as Cobblepot/Penguin, Nygma/Riddler or even as Dr Hugo Strange. The serious dark and twisted takes on those characters of course and not campy over the top takes.

He was close to being Joker in Burtons 89 film and supposedly 2nd choice behind Carrey as Riddler in Forever.

 

[Steamteck]

What I don't understand is why some people are desperately trying to defend the urban legend thing it just seems so silly. "No, you must understand this makes so much sense!!"

I don't actually understand why others are so desperate to say its silly. If you said highly improbable or almost impossible maybe. but if people are intrigued by a certain conceit then calling it silly is pretty much a guarantee to make them disagree with you hard.

If its done well and makes sense internally I'm on board. Seems less absurd than lots of the Joker's plans in TDK to me anyway.

 

[BatLobster]

If I may...

It's fairly reductive to just say "Batman as a concept is silly and unrealistic, therefore we must accept anything they throw at us".

There's a difference between "movie sense" and "what would actually happen in real life sense". IMO, a Batman that's been active for over a decade and drives that Batmobile around Gotham while remaining an urban legend does violate movie sense. If the goal is to portray Batman an urban legend and have Superman draw him (and other "super" heroes) out, great. Just don't give him this humongous souped up Batmobile that looks ready to take on small army. The weathered look they're going for with it suggests that it's seen some action over the years. And don't give him a Bat-signal. There are ways you can make the urban legend idea work, but none of what we're seeing so far jibes with it.

I agree with I Am The Knight...I for one don't think the "urban legend" thing is true, at least not to such an extreme extent.

Now, am I saying it's impossible to make it work? Well, nothing's impossible. If it's true and they sell me on the idea, then great. But for the moment, the downside of such an approach seems to vastly outweigh whatever upside there may be.

 

[Lencho01]

They've already done silly things within the context of their universe. So, it's not really hard to buy the urban legend idea.

 

[Wise]

The urban legend thing is a BS rumor.

Do you think Snyder would be foolish enough to have a Lois Lane who easily exposes the truth behind Clark Kent in what seems like a few weeks and we're to believe that a vigilante who drives a tank and dresses like a bat is still an urban legend in this world?

 

[Fallen Angel]

How does Batman remain an urban legend with that BEAST of a Batmobile?