BvS Amy Adams IS Lois Lane - Part 2

[roach]

I think one of the things I likes about this portrayal is that she's in on the Clark/Superman thing and not fooled by a pair of glasses.

 

[Rowsdower!]

I think one of the things I likes about this portrayal is that she's in on the Clark/Superman thing and not fooled by a pair of glasses.

Don't you know you're supposed to hate that if you're a true fan?

 

[Fallen Angel]

Don't you know you're supposed to hate that if you're a true fan?

Yet she's figured out his secret countless times in the comics and in the silver age ones she did it on many occasions only for Supes to act like a *****e and maker her forget or make her doubt herself. she's always figured out his secret from the beginning (golden age).

 

[Rowsdower!]

Haha, yeah. I mean, the Clark Kent glasses disguise is silly. We all know that. But I think we can suspend disbelief just a little bit less if the woman that he makes out with/sleeps with/etc. can at least recognize him.

 

[Loki882]

Yet she's figured out his secret countless times in the comics and in the silver age ones she did it on many occasions only for Supes to act like a *****e and maker her forget or make her doubt herself. she's always figured out his secret from the beginning (golden age).

Yeah, but the whole "Superman acts like a *****e and she just forgets or is fooled" doesn't make her look much better. Now if they portrayed her as not buying his act at all and seeing it for what it is (an act) then that would have work much better.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Yeah, but the whole "Superman acts like a *****e and she just forgets or is fooled" doesn't make her look much better. Now if they portrayed her as not buying his act at all and seeing it for what it is (an act) then that would have work much better.

Yep I agree but it was the Silver age *****ebaggery at it's finest. t: All though If I remember correctly there were a few stories from that era where she didn't by his act.

 

[Audrey]

Again...this Lois is not edgy. She's not that brassy, ballsy chick we're used to from other incarnations. It's just a different Lois then usual. Love it or leave it...I guess.

I couldn't disagree more with this entire conversation.

First of all, this "brassy" woman that people keep talking about on here is such a limited, uneducated and surface vision of who Lois Lane is that it boggles the mind. People want her to be a list of character traits that you put on a list as opposed to an actual character. That's the first mistake.

The second mistake is that this "edgy" character that people have created in their heads about who the "ideal Lois" is doesn't even exist because Lois has always, ALWAYS been a warm character who was loving and capable of gentleness along with her strength. It's a fallacy that she wasn't. This "warmth" is not new at all.

But the biggest fallacy that is hilarious to me is that people keep acting like Amy Adam's Lois Lane was this sweet little woman in Man of Steel. We clearly were watching different films.

Adams' Lois went to an Arctic dig where she was seemingly the ONLY woman totally outnumbered by dudes. She was willing to stay in subpar freezing conditions to get to the heart of a story. She ventured out in the middle of the night in an arctic wasteland in freezing and dangerous conditions to seek the truth, scaled a cliff and then crawled through ice and snow because she was curious about what the hell was going on. Not Ballsy? If that's not ballsy and gutsy then I think you are kidding yourself.

She then came home and risked losing her entire career and her job over getting the story published. When that didn't work, she literally went on a trek around the world to find this guy interviewing strangers wherever she could find them. Do you know how much courage it takes to do that?

She was then willing to do to JAIL to protect Clark because she believed, after learning more about him, that it was the right thing to do. She was willing to risk her life for the truth and to protect him. She didn't run away afraid.

What this movie was missing was the Daily Planet back and forth and snark that people have come to expect from Lois and I get that people missed that. I missed it too. That was a script problem. But to imply that this Lois wasn't "really Lois" or didn't fit with previous incarnations of Lois is just freaking wrong. It reaches the point where it's not even a matter of opinion because it's FACTUALLY WRONG.

Not only was Lois incredibly brave in this film and extremely willing to risk her life for both a story, the truth and eventually for the greater good of protecting Superman, but she reached out her hand to the "othered" Superman in kindness when he literally had no one else but his mother. THAT is Lois Lane. That is who she has been since Action #1. All of this crap that people have decided defines her is just that....it's crap. Everyone has their personal preferences but it doesn't change the fact that this is a character with a very detailed documented history and one that Man of Steel stayed very true to in characterization if you are willing to actually do the homework, research and look for it.

Also? The commentary trying to "explain" the love between Superman and Lois in the Donner movies also makes me laugh. Love is not a checklist. It doesn't always make sense. In fact, most of the time...it doesn't make any sense at all. It's nothing you can control and it's almost never something that makes universal sense to outside people.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Top notch Audrey I'd have tried to made a post like that but I'm not eloquent. Some folks do like to make up crap when it comes to Lois Lane.

 

[Wise]

Man just watched American Hustle.

Amy Adams looks 10 x more like Lois in this film than in MoS.

Please give her long, dark hair in BvS!

 

[charl_huntress]

[YT]<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/gkhM6dfpqns" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>[/YT]I was thinking about the conversation from last night and was looking at youtube clips from Neill's time as Lois. There is a lot of that Lois in Adams performance in my opinion

I couldn't disagree more with this entire conversation. First of all, this "brassy" woman that people keep talking about on here is such a limited, uneducated and surface vision of who Lois Lane is that it boggles the mind. People want her to be a list of character traits that you put on a list as opposed to an actual character. That's the first mistake.

First off...watch your tone. I am incredibly educated when it comes to Lois Lane and do not take kindly to people saying I am not. Second, it is not a mistake. For a decent part of Lois' history that brassy and ballsy nature was indeed a big part of her characterization. Being brassy and ballsy is part of what defines Lois Lane, and that has been the case for many years. It is also cited as one of the reasons Superman/Clark holds Lois in such high regard because she is so different from other women. Considering the details added to Lois' history from the golden age right up to today's 52 Lois, these traits are still a part of her character. What has happened is in highlighting those particular traits, many writers failed to highlight her other traits. She is a warm person, but that is not often shown and unfortunately too many people are more familiar with the *****y side.

The second mistake is that this "edgy" character that people have created in their heads about who the "ideal Lois" is doesn't even exist because Lois has always, ALWAYS been a warm character who was loving and capable of gentleness along with her strength. It's a fallacy that she wasn't. This "warmth" is not new at all.

See above

But the biggest fallacy that is hilarious to me is that people keep acting like Amy Adam's Lois Lane was this sweet little woman in Man of Steel. We clearly were watching different films. Adams' Lois went to an Arctic dig where she was seemingly the ONLY woman totally outnumbered by dudes. She was willing to stay in subpar freezing conditions to get to the heart of a story. She ventured out in the middle of the night in an arctic wasteland in freezing and dangerous conditions to seek the truth, scaled a cliff and then crawled through ice and snow because she was curious about what the hell was going on. Not Ballsy? If that's not ballsy and gutsy then I think you are kidding yourself. She then came home and risked losing her entire career and her job over getting the story published. When that didn't work, she literally went on a trek around the world to find this guy interviewing strangers wherever she could find them. Do you know how much courage it takes to do that?

You do have some good points here, which is why I did say she was an intrepid reporter who was somewhat fearless. There is no denying that, but it's one thing to show someone being ballsy in a movie. It's a completely different thing to actually believe they are ballsy if their characterization doesn't match up to that. This is why I understand view points like Boy Scouts and Szets.

She was then willing to do to JAIL to protect Clark because she believed, after learning more about him, that it was the right thing to do. She was willing to risk her life for the truth and to protect him. She didn't run away afraid.

See above. I truly do blame a lot of the characterization issues on the script.

What this movie was missing was the Daily Planet back and forth and snark that people have come to expect from Lois and I get that people missed that. I missed it too. That was a script problem. But to imply that this Lois wasn't "really Lois" or didn't fit with previous incarnations of Lois is just freaking wrong. It reaches the point where it's not even a matter of opinion because it's FACTUALLY WRONG.

Again...watch your tone. I get you have a lot of knowledge about the character and want to express your opinion, but some of the facts you are spitting are wrong. Plus, it's not your place to criticize people's ideal Lois. There is enough Superman and Lois to go around for everyone.

Not only was Lois incredibly brave in this film and extremely willing to risk her life for both a story, the truth and eventually for the greater good of protecting Superman, but she reached out her hand to the "othered" Superman in kindness when he literally had no one else but his mother. THAT is Lois Lane. That is who she has been since Action #1. All of this crap that people have decided defines her is just that....it's crap. Everyone has their personal preferences but it doesn't change the fact that this is a character with a very detailed documented history and one that Man of Steel stayed very true to in characterization if you are willing to actually d the homework, research and look for it. Also? The commentary trying to "explain" the love between Superman and Lois in the Donner movies also makes me laugh. Love is not a checklist. It doesn't always make sense. In fact, most of the time...it doesn't make any sense at all. It's nothing you can control and it's almost never something that makes universal sense to outside people.

You have described everything that happened in the movie. Kudos, but the characterization was off a bit. In my view Snyder and Goyer share equal blame for this.

As for your other points...see above. And one last time, watch your tone. Sounding like a know-it-all doesn't actually make you one. I know this from personal experience, so consider this little tip a piece of valuable advice.

edit: unfortunately I can't figure out how the youtube thing works. Here is the link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkhM6dfpqns

 

[Fallen Angel]

Charl which facts is Audrey spitting that's wrong? Because from my point of view what she said is pretty much bang on.

 

[charl_huntress]

Charl which facts is Audrey spitting that's wrong? Because from my point of view what she said is pretty much bang on.

Lois has always, ALWAYS been a warm character

She has not always been a warm character. There are several comic periods where to put it mildly she was a complete and utter *****. AND...she was written that way deliberately.

 

[Fallen Angel]

She has not always been a warm character. There are several comic periods where to put it mildly she was a complete and utter *****. AND...she was written that way deliberately.

Ah okay but even then we did see her other side trying to get out. But I get your point she was biatch sometimes. But if your going to love her during the good times you have to during the bad ones. t:

 

[Alien Anal]

Whats all this "watch your tone" nonsense. Audrey can sound like a know it all if he/she wants, you actually come across a lot more rude repeating "watch your tone" over and over.

 

[charl_huntress]

Ah okay but even then we did see her other side trying to get out. But I get your point she was biatch sometimes. But if your going to love her during the good times you have to during the bad ones. t:

That's the way I feel about her...lol, but when they wrote her bad there was no redemption for her. There were just certain writers who hated her and hated the relationship so they portrayed her badly. People who think Lois has always been warm should read and educate themselves on the silver age...and some of the bronze age for that matter.

Whats all this "watch your tone" nonsense. Audrey can sound like a know it all if he/she wants, you actually come across a lot more rude repeating "watch your tone" over and over.

Well since I considered her posting tone mildly rude consider my tone as responding in a likewise manner.

I think one of the things I likes about this portrayal is that she's in on the Clark/Superman thing and not fooled by a pair of glasses.

You know...I didn't think I was going to like that. I just wasn't sure, but I think it fit with the story and opens out a little new avenues for the relationship between Supes/Clark and Lois.

 

[sf2]

Whats all this "watch your tone" nonsense. Audrey can sound like a know it all if he/she wants, you actually come across a lot more rude repeating "watch your tone" over and over.

Well, it's usually apply to people who is never admit her mistake.

 

[Young Superman]

So Kal was 33 years old when he becomes Superman in MOS, so do we have any idea how old Lois is supposed to be in the film?

 

[Fallen Angel]

So Kal was 33 years old when he becomes Superman in MOS, so do we have any idea how old Lois is supposed to be in the film?

It's never mentioned but usually Lois is a few years older. Haven't checked the official novalisation in a while not sure if they mention an age or D.O.B in there.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

Again...watch your tone. I get you have a lot of knowledge about the character and want to express your opinion, but some of the facts you are spitting are wrong. Plus, it's not your place to criticize people's ideal Lois. There is enough Superman and Lois to go around for everyone.

You have described everything that happened in the movie. Kudos, but the characterization was off a bit. In my view Snyder and Goyer share equal blame for this.

As for your other points...see above. And one last time, watch your tone. Sounding like a know-it-all doesn't actually make you one. I know this from personal experience, so consider this little tip a piece of valuable advice.

edit: unfortunately I can't figure out how the youtube thing works. Here is the link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkhM6dfpqns

Shout out Charl_huntress! It's the tone of certain people on here that bothers me; "the I'm right you're wrong and if you don't see things how I do you are unintelligent" posters.
As for your opinion on Lois I have never watched the 50's show so I don't know how that Lois came off. Put you are right that the way some writers handle Lois rubs people the wrong way. I've heard a few people say they didn't like Smallville's Lois because of the way the writers wrote her personality, some of those same people also prefer Lana if that says anything.

 

[Fallen Angel]

its' not that you seem to have a personal dislike for Amy Adams which isn't frankly on. And when someone ask you for explanation for something you're said you have a easy get out of I'm being attacked. Good god I hope your not like this for the next 16 months.

Smallvile's Lois was great still the best overall for me. The writing for her improved in later seasons post season 7 and her personality was like Lois. The characterization was nearly spot on. So now you complaining over her as well. My word.

No pleasing you is there?

 

[charl_huntress]

Well, it's usually apply to people who is never admit her mistake.

Okay...I want to understand what you are saying, but I can't. I'm not sure if English isn't your first language, or you're typing from a cell. Whatever the case my be...it's very hard to understand anything you are saying. Sorry if that came off a bit rude, but I don't really know any other way to say it.

Shout out Charl_huntress! It's the tone of certain people on here that bothers me; "the I'm right you're wrong and if you don't see things how I do you are unintelligent" posters.
As for your opinion on Lois I have never watched the 50's show so I don't know how that Lois came off. Put you are right that the way some writers handle Lois rubs people the wrong way. I've heard a few people say they didn't like Smallville's Lois because of the way the writers wrote her personality, some of those same people also prefer Lana if that says anything.

I understand that, and I've been guilty of taking that tone myself a few times, but I didn't like the way any of that was phrased and since the post was directed at a reply I made then I felt the need to insert myself.

I hear A LOT of people say the don't like Lois Lane, and I've heard a lot of people tell me they don't like Durance's Lois either, but I've been fighting Lois Lane battles since before there was the internet!!! t: She has been poorly written time and time again, but she's a wonderful character to read or watch when they get her right.

Next...SHAME ON YOU SZETS for not seeing at least one episode of AoS. That's classic stuff. Watch the youtube clip when you have a time and tell me if you see any of Adams' Lois in Neill. I think you might be surprised.

So Kal was 33 years old when he becomes Superman in MOS, so do we have any idea how old Lois is supposed to be in the film?

Just going from looks alone I got the impression was in her thirties. I don't think they'll give Lois's age to be honest.

 

[DA_Champion]

I couldn't disagree more with this entire conversation.

First of all, this "brassy" woman that people keep talking about on here is such a limited, uneducated and surface vision of who Lois Lane is that it boggles the mind. People want her to be a list of character traits that you put on a list as opposed to an actual character. That's the first mistake.

The second mistake is that this "edgy" character that people have created in their heads about who the "ideal Lois" is doesn't even exist because Lois has always, ALWAYS been a warm character who was loving and capable of gentleness along with her strength. It's a fallacy that she wasn't. This "warmth" is not new at all.

But the biggest fallacy that is hilarious to me is that people keep acting like Amy Adam's Lois Lane was this sweet little woman in Man of Steel. We clearly were watching different films.

Adams' Lois went to an Arctic dig where she was seemingly the ONLY woman totally outnumbered by dudes. She was willing to stay in subpar freezing conditions to get to the heart of a story. She ventured out in the middle of the night in an arctic wasteland in freezing and dangerous conditions to seek the truth, scaled a cliff and then crawled through ice and snow because she was curious about what the hell was going on. Not Ballsy? If that's not ballsy and gutsy then I think you are kidding yourself.

She then came home and risked losing her entire career and her job over getting the story published. When that didn't work, she literally went on a trek around the world to find this guy interviewing strangers wherever she could find them. Do you know how much courage it takes to do that?

She was then willing to do to JAIL to protect Clark because she believed, after learning more about him, that it was the right thing to do. She was willing to risk her life for the truth and to protect him. She didn't run away afraid.

What this movie was missing was the Daily Planet back and forth and snark that people have come to expect from Lois and I get that people missed that. I missed it too. That was a script problem. But to imply that this Lois wasn't "really Lois" or didn't fit with previous incarnations of Lois is just freaking wrong. It reaches the point where it's not even a matter of opinion because it's FACTUALLY WRONG.

Not only was Lois incredibly brave in this film and extremely willing to risk her life for both a story, the truth and eventually for the greater good of protecting Superman, but she reached out her hand to the "othered" Superman in kindness when he literally had no one else but his mother. THAT is Lois Lane. That is who she has been since Action #1. All of this crap that people have decided defines her is just that....it's crap. Everyone has their personal preferences but it doesn't change the fact that this is a character with a very detailed documented history and one that Man of Steel stayed very true to in characterization if you are willing to actually do the homework, research and look for it.

Also? The commentary trying to "explain" the love between Superman and Lois in the Donner movies also makes me laugh. Love is not a checklist. It doesn't always make sense. In fact, most of the time...it doesn't make any sense at all. It's nothing you can control and it's almost never something that makes universal sense to outside people.

Lois finding out Clark's identity would be a lot more meaningful if it were not a montage that almost felt like a dream sequence.

 

[charl_huntress]

So now you complaining over her as well. My word.

No pleasing you is there?

I don't think Szets was complaining about Durance. She was saying she has heard some people don't like her either because of the way she is written.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

Lois finding out Clark's identity would be a lot more meaningful if it were not a montage that almost felt like a dream sequence.

JW how you think it could have been better? I'm open to hearing different perspectives; I think we all know sometimes fans on the internet come up with better stuff than official writers.

 

[DA_Champion]

JW how you think it could have been better? I'm open to hearing different perspectives; I think we all know sometimes fans on the internet come up with better stuff than official writers.

What does JW mean?

I think the idea of the scenes were good, but it passed by too quickly for the audience to appreciate it. I think one needed to have laser-like focus, or be a fanboy, to figure out who was who and where. Editing is possibly the first issue. Let her have conversations with some of these characters, not just snippets of phrases.

It might also have been good for Clark to cover his tracks with false leads, and for Lois to struggle with those false leads and then to decipher them somehow. For example, she could have narrowed her search to the midwest on the basis that the man in the arctic had a midwestern accent.

They could have also cross-cut to a scene of the military trying and failing to track down Clark. Perhaps they were simply running the fake ID through their software and not doing enough fieldwork, which is actually an issue in modern espionage.