Arrow Arrow 4x02 The Candidate

[The Sage]

I was a little taken aback. After 5 years of training and then being trained by Ra's, Oliver's early struggle caught me off guard. But yeah maybe he has gone soft.

He didn't train the entire five years, as we've seen so far. And I think Anarky's skill caught him off guard, along with the weapons.

 

[Steyin]

Good episode. Glad to see the show back on track.

 

[Hunter Rider]

The Hype really is an interesting melting pot of info, I never expected to see knowledge on decomposition.

Because they view Laurel bringing back Sara after seeing Theas side effects as beyond selfish and they think that Laurel is manipulating Thea.

That's stupid, firstly it's her sister, secondly how can she be manipulating Thea when she told her directly what she is planning and they got the body together?

 

[Mike Murdock]

Actually, it wouldn't be. I Googled how long it takes for the human body to decompose over the summer in anticipation of this very episode, and it takes a LOT longer than you'd think.

Yeah, I actually thought she looked a bit too decomposed (that being said, she wasn't embalmed and all that).

 

[Loki882]

It'd probably at least smell rather, "gamey" by this point though.

 

[zenith16]

The Hype really is an interesting melting pot of info, I never expected to see knowledge on decomposition.



That's stupid, firstly it's her sister, secondly how can she be manipulating Thea when she told her directly what she is planning and they got the body together?

your right larual told thea the truth .it's the fact she 's hiding from others like Oliver who seeing the results and regretting some of it cause he's not really sure well it'll lead his sister. I guess despite seeing how thea is acting in front of her them all to those others of the fanbase. I guess it's also odd she used the words they are going to nanda pa rbot to find out more about the pit. yet she's digging up the body already so regardless of what they tell her it's clear her mind has been made up to use the pit to bring her back no matter what.

that may be what they are jump down her throat about . what oliver did was stupid yeah thea said mostly dead. but truth be told she was likely on life support and still breathing cause she was and oliver still felt life with in her as he carried her on to that private plane loaned to them from ray Palmer. there's a different between dyeing and dead for some Months .

I guess in other mind when you see bad result you should learn freom what was already stated and is staring at you in the face. thea isn't doing well currently and if say the league told she'd start the literal zombie apocalypses and she still goes through with it most people won't forgive cause she was warned yet did any way cause oliver did it.

I believes there's a saying about lessons about what fools learn from and what the wise learn from . which would apply here. and people(fanbase on laraul) don't want her playing the game with Oliver in" I can top with this move in bad idea's" when something bad is going down as a result from his actions. that maybe why.

you asked wouldn't you do the same? well I would if the person I brought back had no complications. if there are dire complications then no I wouldn't I'd like all the facts layed OUT FOR ME detail wise and if the result's are bad, then no I don't want them to go through that or for them to make others lives worse ether.

that said it's already done deal. so .....

luckly if sara was there even longer then a year there'd be worse throuble.

 

[Nathan]

Yeah, I actually thought she looked a bit too decomposed (that being said, she wasn't embalmed and all that).

I was expecting even more, then again, I really had no knowledge about the rate of body decomposition in a coffin and six feet under. Was expecting her to be worm food right now. But even if the rate of decomposition is slowed down, because she wasn't exposed to air, I was expecting still a bit more than just looking like someone drained her of all blood.

 

[DCnightwing23]

I didn't like it personally and the stunt double for Anarky was visible for me.
I liked Komodo in the new comics, I would have liked that he was more than what they do to him in the show.

The stunt doubles are always and have always been noticeable. It's one thing i strongly dislike about this show. Amell is probably the only actor doing 80-90% of his own stunts whereas the rest of the cast maybe does 30% at best. Cassidy is the only other one I've seen "transform" in a sense for her role as BC and hitting the gym hard (Ramsey has always been in good to great shape) so it's hard not to notice the stunt double work. You'll notice Amell is the only actor they actually focus on in fight sequences while the rest of the stunt doubles try to hide their faces, yet we can still clearly see the stunt double. It took me out of a lot of the fights with Ras and Arrow last season.

 

[Primal Slayer]

That's just about any show you watch that features a lot of fight scenes. What they need to do is try to do some smaller fights and tighter fights instead of always having the team face off against 10 ghosts.



Good enough fight, no stunt doubles really seen, just add some more technique and its all gravy.

 

[the dmg]

Thought the episode was great. I felt the character interactions strengthened the episode. Anarky worked and Dahrk is being portrayed excellently, IMO. I'm a bit disappointed that Lance isn't the one resurrecting his daughter. If the only thing Dahrk has on Lance is the threat of his daughter's life, that would be weak as hell. Hopefully, there is more to their working relationship than that. Green Arrow trying to do things differently was interesting with Speedy because he would have done the same thing as the Arrow.

The flashbacks seem to be on track for a Year One adaption, which is a good thing.

 

[b_boy]

The other thing is he trained specifically for Ra's, Anarky was an unknown and that dual weapon must have caught him off guard.

I didn't like it personally and the stunt double for Anarky was visible for me.
I liked Komodo in the new comics, I would have liked that he was more than what they do to him in the show.

Oliver's gone soft which is something I think he will discover.

That was still a great fight. Oliver is not going to be a world beater against everyone. Komodo was a challenge for him in episode 302.

I was a little taken aback. After 5 years of training and then being trained by Ra's, Oliver's early struggle caught me off guard. But yeah maybe he has gone soft.

I think they may be doing it on purpose. He didn't want to comeback, it seemed to me, on the premiere at least, that he stayed more because it made Felicity happy, not so much because he missed. On the opening fight he was being more of a supervisor of the whole fight and worried about Thea being to violent etc. And we know that in six months there will be someone who is close to him dead. So I think he'll be more soft on the upcoming episodes until that happens and he goes back into full fight mode.

 

[Silliminite]

Another solid episode.

Loved the build-up to Oliver deciding he'll run for mayor, it was very well executed. Also liked the fact that Dahrk has maintained a presence, it builds his character up nicely without making him the main villain of the episode. All fight scenes were engaging as well.

I said last week that the premier was decent, but the challenge would be to maintain the quality. Glad to see that's exactly what they're doing. I'm half-way back on the Arrow Hype-train now.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I was expecting even more, then again, I really had no knowledge about the rate of body decomposition in a coffin and six feet under. Was expecting her to be worm food right now. But even if the rate of decomposition is slowed down, because she wasn't exposed to air, I was expecting still a bit more than just looking like someone drained her of all blood.

People don't decompose that fast. In fact, it's claimed bodies don't decompose at all because of all the preservatives we eat, but they certainly don't decompose that quickly.

 

[Bathead]

Yeah, decomposing takes a good while, depending on what measures were taken when embalming the corpse. At most, all that will happen for a few years is that the body will jut lose most of it's moisture, which is pretty much what Sara looked like. She's not gonna look like a rotted corpse straight out of a zombie movie.

 

[Nathan]

Yeah, decomposing takes a good while, depending on what measures were taken when embalming the corpse. At most, all that will happen for a few years is that the body will jut lose most of it's moisture, which is pretty much what Sara looked like. She's not gonna look like a rotted corpse straight out of a zombie movie.

What about a body that wasn't embalmed? I can't imagine they went through the entire process, when they buried her in secret.

 

[Lencho01]

The show needs to remain this good and/or get better.

 

[Bathead]

What about a body that wasn't embalmed? I can't imagine they went through the entire process, when they buried her in secret.

No way to know since they didn't tell us, But I would assume it was indeed embalmed seeing how well it was preserved, even so, it still wouldn't necessarily start to rot for a long time, unless it was buried in extremely wet soil without a coffin.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

Seven of Nine !
Quick question : I don't remember her being introduced in the previous season, she first appears in this episode, am I correct ?

 

[Hunter Rider]

your right larual told thea the truth .it's the fact she 's hiding from others like Oliver who seeing the results and regretting some of it cause he's not really sure well it'll lead his sister. I guess despite seeing how thea is acting in front of her them all to those others of the fanbase. I guess it's also odd she used the words they are going to nanda pa rbot to find out more about the pit. yet she's digging up the body already so regardless of what they tell her it's clear her mind has been made up to use the pit to bring her back no matter what.

that may be what they are jump down her throat about . what oliver did was stupid yeah thea said mostly dead. but truth be told she was likely on life support and still breathing cause she was and oliver still felt life with in her as he carried her on to that private plane loaned to them from ray Palmer. there's a different between dyeing and dead for some Months .

I guess in other mind when you see bad result you should learn freom what was already stated and is staring at you in the face. thea isn't doing well currently and if say the league told she'd start the literal zombie apocalypses and she still goes through with it most people won't forgive cause she was warned yet did any way cause oliver did it.

I believes there's a saying about lessons about what fools learn from and what the wise learn from . which would apply here. and people(fanbase on laraul) don't want her playing the game with Oliver in" I can top with this move in bad idea's" when something bad is going down as a result from his actions. that maybe why.

you asked wouldn't you do the same? well I would if the person I brought back had no complications. if there are dire complications then no I wouldn't I'd like all the facts layed OUT FOR ME detail wise and if the result's are bad, then no I don't want them to go through that or for them to make others lives worse ether.

that said it's already done deal. so .....

luckly if sara was there even longer then a year there'd be worse throuble.

I think Laurel dug the body up and is taking it with her as she is going to find out what can be done and if she thinks it's worth the risk there is no point having to travel all the way back and forth again to get the body.

What she finds out and how she acts on it will determine how her actions should be perceived IMO. At this point she is going in hope, much depends on what Nyssa tells her.

As for hiding it from Ollie, Digg is doing the same with his HIVE info, I think Ollie being kept out of the loop by the others will be a theme at the start of the season as the whole team is still burned from his keeping them in the dark about his LOA plan.

 

[mr. peasant]

No way to know since they didn't tell us, But I would assume it was indeed embalmed seeing how well it was preserved, even so, it still wouldn't necessarily start to rot for a long time, unless it was buried in extremely wet soil without a coffin.

Actually, if she wasn't embalmed (and in-universe-wise, there wasn't a real way they could have known how to on their own), decomposition would have been much worse and would have started much quicker since the stomach and bowels are teeming with bacteria and digestive enzymes.

Had the show gone with a realistic depiction, Sara's body would have had a bloated abdomen at the very least. But that would probably not have passed the censors.

 

[Boy Scout]

To be fair, we can't expect too much realism from Arrow at this point. I mean, Oliver is about to run for mayor, which means that his face is going to be plastered all over television (again), and I bet there won't be any more than a passing mention of his resemblance to the Green Arrow.

 

[WeatherWizard99]

I loved anarky... I hope we comes back...
and ollie for mayor... looks like the theories and rumors were right...

sara's body, thought... that is probably going to give me nightmares... :P

 

[phantomknight09]

A nice episode.
Seeing all the team fight together is cool.
It is cool to see Thea becoming more violent and crazy, I wish they started that directly in season 3 and I hope that they will last.

But not a fan of Felicity becoming the ceo and her storyline.
I like Sara but I don't like at all that she will be alive again.
We already have Ray that he isn't dead.

Seeing Thea beat Anarky was cool but Oliver who beat Ra's having difficulties against him meh...

Anarky was auditioning for H.I.V.E and got audience with Damien darhk, you don't get that with out some Expirence in how to kill some one, armed or unarmed, and I think they made it clear that the weapon he was using put Oliver at a significant disadvantage due to the reach , taser function, and the fact it was dual wielded so effectively by anarky. Thea catches anarky off guard and is able to disarm him of one of his batons, which is why she can take him out. It's obvious that the only reason Oliver lost was because of anarkys baton thing.

 

[Bathead]

Actually, if she wasn't embalmed (and in-universe-wise, there wasn't a real way they could have known how to on their own), decomposition would have been much worse and would have started much quicker since the stomach and bowels are teeming with bacteria and digestive enzymes.
Had the show gone with a realistic depiction, Sara's body would have had a bloated abdomen at the very least. But that would probably not have passed the censors.

You're right.
Still, we really don't know exactly what was or wasn't done to the body, after all, it's possible to find doctor who won't report gunshot wounds if you pay them enough. It's not a huge stretch to assume you could find a corrupt funeral director you could bribe to embalm a body on the down low. If Oliver could have connection with the Russian mafia, it's fairly likely he could find such corrupt individuals. In other words, it may be unrealistic, but it's vague enough that it's inconsequential.

 

[phantomknight09]

To be fair, we can't expect too much realism from Arrow at this point. I mean, Oliver is about to run for mayor, which means that his face is going to be plastered all over television (again), and I bet there won't be any more than a passing mention of his resemblance to the Green Arrow.

Actually Micheal holt says that Oliver jaw doesn't resembles green arrows own. Even if that isn't the case in actuality ,its established in the shows universe so they do acknowledge the being able to keep his identity secret,And honestly I could see why holt says it. The jaw does look kind of different when he puts on the hood, but maybe that's just me.