Arrow Arrow General Discussion Thread - - Part 16

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The flash backs are setting up the Katana story line. They are also showing how Ollie learned to kill even when it's not self defense, cause the island stuff doesn't explain that at all, and how he got some of his other skills. They could be a little faster paced but I've found them interesting.
 
As per usual, the flashbacks should start developing more of a link to the present day storyline during the second half of this season. Still, I've never been as bored with Arrow's flashbacks as I am this season.
 
Some of the most interesting and exciting storylines are yet to kick off for Arrow:

- Ra's coming to Starling.
- Ray Palmer suiting up.
- Laurel suiting up.
- Felicity suiting up (I kid, I kid).
- Thea and Merlyn's plan, whatever it is.
- The Arrow/ Flash cross-over.
- The Katana storyline.

While I admit the show has pacing issues right now in terms of getting it's narrative going, there's so much still to look forward to. I find it hard to imagine the season won't pick up pace very soon. I mean...it's Ra's-frickin'-Al Ghul!
 
Some of the most interesting and exciting storylines are yet to kick off for Arrow:

- Ra's coming to Starling.
- Ray Palmer suiting up.
- Laurel suiting up.
- Felicity suiting up (I kid, I kid).
- Thea and Merlyn's plan, whatever it is.
- The Arrow/ Flash cross-over.
- The Katana storyline.

While I admit the show has pacing issues right now in terms of getting it's narrative going, there's so much still to look forward to. I find it hard to imagine the season won't pick up pace very soon. I mean...it's Ra's-frickin'-Al Ghul!

IF he does.
 
Wonder if he's suiting up without his powers? The writers seemed pretty firm on him not having his shrinking powers.
 
I'm hoping we get a look at Brick soon and I am still hoping Solomon Grundy will appear.
 
Wonder if he's suiting up without his powers? The writers seemed pretty firm on him not having his shrinking powers.

Maybe Flash shouldn't have his running powers. :o
 
Wonder if he's suiting up without his powers? The writers seemed pretty firm on him not having his shrinking powers.

Wrong. All that's been said is that, IF Ray gets his powers, it more than likely won't happen on Arrow... meaning that he'd have to cross over to The Flash in order for it to happen.

That's not the same thing as saying he'll never get his powers.
 
SO....not trying to start a flamewar but what do you guys think about what Amell said about the DC slate? I gotta admit, the guy's got a point, he said:

I thought that the way that Warner Bros. announced the slate of DC movies could have been handled better. And I think someone like Grant Gustin, who has just launched an iconic character like the Flash to record-breaking numbers, numbers that far-surpassed Arrow’s numbers, he should have been given a wider berth than two episodes before another actor was announced to play his character. All that being said, that’s because I’m protective of Grant, and that’s because I think producing 23 episodes of superhero television is more difficult than producing a feature film. And it’s 23 episodes again, and again, and again.

Link: http://comicbook.com/2014/11/14/stephen-amell-talks-about-dc-cinematic-movie-and-tv-universes/

Gotta say, eventhough you can tell he disagrees with it, he's being very professional about his opinion, but I do agree it was odd that they barely gave Grant the chance before saying "HEY EVERYONE, there'a a bigger and better version with an entirely different actor coming in a couple of years!" This is what I've been afraid was gonna happen for a while, DC creating competition within its own brand and you can already see its starting.
 
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I think it would have been nice if the Flash had a a little more time to get its legs on the ground before everything was announced but at the same time I don't think it hurts the show at all. Most people don't even know that there is a Flash movie coming at all and I don't think anyone is going to stop watching just because a Flash movie is coming in like four years. The Flash would be on or approaching its fifth season by then. If WB felt, for even a second, the Flash television show was going to create competition within its own brand we wouldn't have a Flash show. We have seen how far they are willing to go to protect the worth of their properties. They wouldn't even allow Harley Quinn to appear in an episode of Arrow. The truth is the Flash show is doing just as fine after the announcement and will probably raise the character's popularity by the time Ezra Miller hits the big screen as the Flash.

I think most people haven't really even given the Flash film much thought after its original announcement. I haven't. There's just so much happening in between now and then. It was, at worst, simply discourteous. I think they could have easily announced their film slate and kept quiet about the actors. It probably would have been for the better that way so they could break the news later and keep the public excitement at a steady high.
 
I find it odd that some characters are off limits but they're going to have two Flashes. I tend to think a Justice League should have the Flash so I'm not opposed to having two, but lift the character embargo entirely if that's the case. Don't make it one way (tv show can't use them, but a movie can poach them anyway).
 
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I'm thinking so, I wonder if it means we can finally expect them to start using the name "Green Arrow"
 
SO....not trying to start a flamewar but what do you guys think about what Amell said about the DC slate? I gotta admit, the guy's got a point, he said:



Link: http://comicbook.com/2014/11/14/stephen-amell-talks-about-dc-cinematic-movie-and-tv-universes/

Gotta say, eventhough you can tell he disagrees with it, he's being very professional about his opinion, but I do agree it was odd that they barely gave Grant the chance before saying "HEY EVERYONE, there'a a bigger and better version with an entirely different actor coming in a couple of years!" This is what I've been afraid was gonna happen for a while, DC creating competition within its own brand and you can already see its starting.

I saw that whole interview and Amell was awesome, he managed to give his views professionally and avoided sounding like a corporate puppet.
 
SO....not trying to start a flamewar but what do you guys think about what Amell said about the DC slate? I gotta admit, the guy's got a point, he said:



Link: http://comicbook.com/2014/11/14/stephen-amell-talks-about-dc-cinematic-movie-and-tv-universes/

Gotta say, eventhough you can tell he disagrees with it, he's being very professional about his opinion, but I do agree it was odd that they barely gave Grant the chance before saying "HEY EVERYONE, there'a a bigger and better version with an entirely different actor coming in a couple of years!" This is what I've been afraid was gonna happen for a while, DC creating competition within its own brand and you can already see its starting.

He gave his thoughts respectfully while not just parroting WB pr lines which I like.

I agree with him in that I think movie versions of characters are probably held in a much higher regard as the "real version".
I don't think that, I'm just stating what I think the average person might think.
So, as a fan of the show, it'd be nice if from here forward, WB was able to treat the CW Flash as a respectable adaptation, which it is, and not just a temporary thing until they get the "Real Flash" on the big screen.

Again, I'm not saying that's their stance. Just that's what I'd like to see them avoid.
 
I think "Full Green" implies that its ready for shooting, as in the script is final. If you look carefully, you'll see a lot of the writing is blurred out. You can see that the title and episode number are in the middle of the page.

I looked for a pic from one that Katie Cassidy has posted multiple times on Instagram and I can't find them. I wonder if the network or creators have cracked down on doing that, which explains why this one is blurred.
 
if you could choose what Oliver new costume upgrade could look like similar to GA suit from the animated series (Dc Showcase, YJ, JLU) may be the best choice? or something new

New 52 costume with long sleeves.

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(and legs)

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I'd choose the Injustice design, with long sleeves as well.

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I think Amell's a little off base with his criticism of DC's movie slate announcement and the casting of Erza Miller as the movie Flash. I don't even think DC crafted a press release about that casting, nor was a big deal made of it. There was certainly no intention to upstage Gustin as the Flash, but if the film Flash had been cast, it would naturally be mentioned when the slate was announced to investors and the information would become known to the public. Very little about the casting as been said since then, if anything at all.

Also, he should have kept his mouth shut about his line of thinking that it's more difficult to produce a seasonal television show than it is to create a feature film. His argument could be countered swiftly and easily, and I certainly don't agree with him.

Much more time, energy and money goes into producing a feature film that is meant to be a franchise-starter or part of an over-arching series/universe. More often than not, the filmmakers and crew will spend roughly a year (or longer) to tell ONE story -- and so much is riding on that one story that they will often only have this one shot to get it right.

The serialized aspect of a TV series allows for much more time to tell an over-arching story featuring characters that have the oppotunity to be constantly evolving. Of course, I'm not claiming the 23-episodee production schedule is easy to manage. That wouldn't be true and we all know they probably work just as hard as a film crew does. However, the episodic nature of television allows room for continuous improvement. If they have a weak episode, they can hopefully bounce back next week or later on in the season. If something just isn't working, it can be retconned, modified, or completely removed as a season progresses. If the initial pilot episode isn't as strong as it should be, the producers can note the criticisms and work hard to make the show as good as it can be moving forward. Also, since shows like this are still writing and filming episodes as earlier episodes air, the writers/showrunners have the opporunity to listen to fan reactions. Remember how we were all complaining about Diggle not wearing a mask when he's in the field? Well, wouldn't ya know it, now he does!

In truth, he's comparing apples to organges. Yes, films have bigger budgets and they can put things on screen to TV shows just can't, but TV shows have more time and flexibility to tell stories, etc.
 
I think Amell was meaning that getting 23 episodes out leaves very little in terms of writing and post-production time in comparison to a film. For instance BvS is filming now and is not released until mid 2016, so Snyder and co have a lot of time to tweak the finished product which is especially important when you are doing something with action sequences.
 
I think Amell was meaning that getting 23 episodes out leaves very little in terms of writing and post-production time in comparison to a film. For instance BvS is filming now and is not released until mid 2016, so Snyder and co have a lot of time to tweak the finished product which is especially important when you are doing something with action sequences.

Right, but of course, there's a counter-argument to that notion as well. Again, apples and oranges.
 
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