Arrow Arrow General Discussion Thread - - - Part 17

[haephestus]

So I have a crazy idea .... So i this case, Ra's is using Oliver, without his knowledge and the endgame is to find Merlyn.

I initially thought that Ra's obviously knew that Oliver was not Sara's killer, but respected him as a warrior, so Ra's deliberately did not inflict a fatal blow because he planned to revive Oliver in the Lazarus Pit and force him to serve the League of Assassins in return for saving his life.

I could see something happening along the lines of this alternate theory, with Ra's deliberately not killing Oliver, sending Maseo/Tatsu to "heal" Oliver (by some *magical* unspecified means) and then setting Oliver on the path to take care of Merlyn once and for all, thus "avenging" Sara's death and also manipulating Oliver into serving the League of Assassins.

I certainly hope that there is more to the duel and Oliver's recuperation from his stab wounds and fall than what currently appears.

 

[brainchild81]

Ditto. Ra's doesn't seem like the type to fail at killing someone

 

[zenith16]

Ditto. Ra's doesn't seem like the type to fail at killing someone

while that's the case that doesn't mean the writers won't make him do that cause they are using selective reasoning. these are the same people had Ollie stab him with an arrow to the heart to take Malcolm out sent Laural back to a building during a earth quake or fire & absolutely Refuse to let olllie or diggle buy a better security system or move the HQ since all of the villains can walk in down there, & yet Thea has yet too.

It's happened more the 3 times

 

[Nathan]

Nice theory. Only problem is that it hinges on Ra's counting that the fall doesn't kill him. "Now to put the plan into motion. I just hope he doesn't break his neck on the landing."

 

[Mikelus]

I initially thought that Ra's obviously knew that Oliver was not Sara's killer, but respected him as a warrior, so Ra's deliberately did not inflict a fatal blow because he planned to revive Oliver in the Lazarus Pit and force him to serve the League of Assassins in return for saving his life.

People, LET IT GO!

What do you think it would take for him to have survived?

AMELL: We just saw him fall. We’ve seen Oliver survive. So, [we don’t know] whether he went straight off the cliff, whether something broke his fall, whether he hit the ground. We have mystical herbs on the show that have healing powers. We’ve seen a Lazarus Pit, although that’s not something that’s going to be used for Oliver.

http://collider.com/stephen-amell-arrow-interview-tca/#ZXjkJHaqBzW0ZDXF.99

No conspiracy theories either, Amell is not a liar, and producer Marc Guggenheim confirmed Oliver didn't die, this is his quote: "Just very badly hurt. Maseo was speaking poetically."

http://marcguggenheim.tumblr.com/post/108958877959/hello-marc-i-was-wondering-did-oliver-really-die

Some didn't want to believe Laurel was going to become Black Canary despite the producers stating so several times, don't make the same mistake.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

ARROW
“The Return” — (8:00-9:00 p.m. ET) (TV-14, LV) (HDTV) press release

Spoiler

THE RETURN OF DEATHSTROKE AND TOMMY MERLYN — Malcolm (John Barrowman) puts Oliver (Stephen Amell) and Thea (Willa Holland) in a dangerous situation that lands them on Lian Yu with Oliver’s former enemy, Deathstroke (guest star Manu Bennett). A flashback reveals when Oliver and Maseo (guest star Karl Yune) returned to Starling City to retrieve the Omega bio weapon, and despite being under strict orders from Amanda Waller (guest star Cynthia Addai-Robinson) not to reveal himself to anyone, Oliver looks in on his family, Laurel (Katie Cassidy) and Tommy (guest star Colin Donnell). Dermott Downs directed the episode written by Marc Guggenheim & Erik Oleson (#314). Original airdate 2/18/2015.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I kind of feel like they are making Ollies 5 years gone a little messy with him popping up around the world just to have him get put back on the island and come back all traumatized from being on the island.

 

[Herolee10]

I kind of feel like they are making Ollies 5 years gone a little messy with him popping up around the world just to have him get put back on the island and come back all traumatized from being on the island.

Agreed. I also found it weird that they've established that Oliver also traded crossfire with China White before the events of Season 1 in Starling City.

 

[rashad]

I actually don't mind that.

More Kelly Hu is never a bad thing either.

 

[SpideyVille]

I initially thought that Ra's obviously knew that Oliver was not Sara's killer, but respected him as a warrior, so Ra's deliberately did not inflict a fatal blow because he planned to revive Oliver in the Lazarus Pit and force him to serve the League of Assassins in return for saving his life.

I could see something happening along the lines of this alternate theory, with Ra's deliberately not killing Oliver, sending Maseo/Tatsu to "heal" Oliver (by some *magical* unspecified means) and then setting Oliver on the path to take care of Merlyn once and for all, thus "avenging" Sara's death and also manipulating Oliver into serving the League of Assassins.

I certainly hope that there is more to the duel and Oliver's recuperation from his stab wounds and fall than what currently appears.

I mentioned this in the Midnight City thread, but it sounds like Maseo called Tatsu before the duel, so she could be nearby to help Oliver. Why would he do that? Yes, he owed Oliver for the past, but it's like he knew he wasn't going to win, and he knew where to go. It just seems too convenient and I don't think the writers are THAT incompetent.

 

[zenith16]

I mentioned this in the Midnight City thread, but it sounds like Maseo called Tatsu before the duel, so she could be nearby to help Oliver. Why would he do that? Yes, he owed Oliver for the past, but it's like he knew he wasn't going to win, and he knew where to go. It just seems too convenient and I don't think the writers are THAT incompetent.

oh you won't be fully happy then. but I don't think Ra's planned all that but we'll see. I'm hoping to be surprised

 

[SpideyVille]

I just can't help but feel like Ra's impact and influence extends beyond avenging his daughter's lover's death.

Maybe it actually is inconsistent writing, since he apparently didn't care about Sara in his first appearance, but I feel like there's more to it than him trying to avenge her while hunting Merlyn.

 

[zenith16]

I just can't help but feel like Ra's impact and influence extends beyond avenging his daughter's lover's death.

Maybe it actually is inconsistent writing, since he apparently didn't care about Sara in his first appearance, but I feel like there's more to it than him trying to avenge her while hunting Merlyn.

yeah about that part he doesn't care about that part lol especially if he's been using the pit the whole time. Ras just want's Malcolm dead cause he betrayed him it must have been very major.

As to the writing I'll just let all fall where it may so far at least the action is fine.

 

[Spider-Ock]

I remember Stephen saying that traditionally eps 10-13 are not the show's best and that they purposely planned this arc to make sure that those episodes were firing on all cylinders. Well, so far I prefer the middle segment of Seaosn 2 to this. Eps 10-13 introduced the frigging heir to the demon, delved deeper into the whole Brother Blood arc, and was also a lot better executed.

I think, that, out of all the characters this season, Laurel has undergone the most development. The writers have really made her likeable in this season, perhaps more so than Felicity imo.

I am still not seeing a structure to this overall season. It just seems like a mess. Ra's, in particular, is not really seeming like a bad guy since he is not that involved in the proceedings.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

remember Slade plan for the city did not happen until episode 15 so it is consistent with season 2 so far....Ra's is still a behind the scene with his spies doing the work.

 

[Herolee10]

True, but unlike Ra's...Slade was present (in either past or present scenes) for most of Season 2...and he was more of a hands on villain.....where his stunt double wasn't so easily spotted.lol

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

True, but unlike Ra's...Slade was present (in either past or present scenes) for most of Season 2...and he was more of a hands on villain.....where his stunt double wasn't so easily spotted.lol

I expect ra's al ghul to show up more in second half........there should be a reason why he not showing up at all. I just kinda hoping Brick is working for Ra's so at least he involve as the one pulling the strings

 

[Mike Murdock]

I kind of feel like they are making Ollies 5 years gone a little messy with him popping up around the world just to have him get put back on the island and come back all traumatized from being on the island.

I don't think he was traumatized from being on the island, he was traumatized for everything, including Hong Kong.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

ARROW
“The Return” — (8:00-9:00 p.m. ET) (TV-14, LV) (HDTV) press release

Spoiler

THE RETURN OF DEATHSTROKE AND TOMMY MERLYN — Malcolm (John Barrowman) puts Oliver (Stephen Amell) and Thea (Willa Holland) in a dangerous situation that lands them on Lian Yu with Oliver’s former enemy, Deathstroke (guest star Manu Bennett). A flashback reveals when Oliver and Maseo (guest star Karl Yune) returned to Starling City to retrieve the Omega bio weapon, and despite being under strict orders from Amanda Waller (guest star Cynthia Addai-Robinson) not to reveal himself to anyone, Oliver looks in on his family, Laurel (Katie Cassidy) and Tommy (guest star Colin Donnell). Dermott Downs directed the episode written by Marc Guggenheim & Erik Oleson (#314). Original airdate 2/18/2015.

Who wants to bet Deathstroke will be escaping the island at the end of this episode?

 

[yonny616]

So last time I asked you guys if Felicity would be the major death this season and you all pretty much disagreed. So what about Quentin Lance? I mean there is the heart condition, and the secret being kept from him is because of the heart condition. So could this be Quentin's last season? Or do you guys think there won't be a major death this season?

 

[Boy Scout]

Hard to say. They've been telegraphing it for the entire season, so my first instinct is to say yes. However, season two ended with Quentin suffering from a heart attack and almost dying, so I don't know if the writers will want to repeat themselves so soon.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

So last time I asked you guys if Felicity would be the major death this season and you all pretty much disagreed. So what about Quentin Lance? I mean there is the heart condition, and the secret being kept from him is because of the heart condition. So could this be Quentin's last season? Or do you guys think there won't be a major death this season?

Spoiler

Wasn't Sara already a major character death?

I could see that happening, which is sad, because I like Quentin. As for the possibility of Felicity dying...this is just my opinion, but I think there are a few characters who will stick around for the entire show–Oliver, Diggle, Felicity, Laurel, and Thea. Roy could die or he could leave, or he could end up staying on the whole show, too. But I don't see any other member of Team Arrow dying. I could be wrong, though; I just know I'd be crushed if Felicity or Diggle died. Laurel, too.

 

[JC00]

If anyone is dying it's gonna be Quentin. I mean unless the writers get some stones and have Ra's or Nyssa kill Thea.

 

[yonny616]

Hard to say. They've been telegraphing it for the entire season, so my first instinct is to say yes. However, season two ended with Quentin suffering from a heart attack and almost dying, so I don't know if the writers will want to repeat themselves so soon.

That was a heart attack? I thought what ever damage was done to his abdomen by being thrown against some cabinet by a mirakuru solider was what caused that.

Spoiler

Wasn't Sara already a major character death.

I could see that happening, which is sad, because I like Quentin. As for the possibility of Felicity dying...this is just my opinion, but I think there are a few characters who will stick around for the entire show–Oliver, Diggle, Felicity, Laurel, and Thea. Roy could die or he could leave, or he could end up staying on the whole show, too. But I don't see any other member of Team Arrow dying. I could be wrong, though; I just know I'd be crushed if Felicity or Diggle died. Laurel, too.

Spoiler

Oh yeah I forgot about Sara. But there's usually like two major deaths. Shado and Moira last year.

I think they'll eventually kill off Felicity, maybe even Diggle or Thea. If Titan's is connected to Arrow/Flash then I can see Roy leaving Team Arrow and being transferred to that show.

So the writers are either gonna keep Thea the most clueless person or finally realize that it isn't coincidence that Oliver and Arrow showed back up at the same time.

I think she'll know know by the end of this season.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I don't think he was traumatized from being on the island, he was traumatized for everything, including Hong Kong.

So traumatized that when it was storming outside he slept next to the open window and attacked his mother when she tried to wake him up? I don't know, he just seems far to normal in the flashbacks up to this point. Of course something even more traumatizing could happen to him but...ya know.