Arrow Arrow General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - Part 23

[Paradox1]

I do not get the complains about Laurel bringing Sara back. I would of done the same thing there wouldn't of been anything anyone could tell me to change my mind on it. As long as there was a chance, it would of been down come hell or high water, Would it have been bullheaded not to listen to anyone else yes? But being bullheaded is not always a flaw in character, without it no ones does anything of note in history or life.

 

[Loki882]

Well if now Oliver has to clean up her mess, then it's going to be irritating. Apparently, HE'S the one who brings in Constantine, not her. The trend of "everyone else is completely useless if Oliver isn't around" that the show has been doing is annoying. Also, if they just threw away all of the Laurel/Nyssa friendship stuff from last season, I'm going to be even more annoyed.

 

[Nathan]

I do not get the complains about Laurel bringing Sara back. I would of done the same thing there wouldn't of been anything anyone could tell me to change my mind on it. As long as there was a chance, it would of been down come hell or high water, Would it have been bullheaded not to listen to anyone else yes? But being bullheaded is not always a flaw in character, without it no ones does anything of note in history or life.

Ok, and once you know you ****ed up, and what you got was basically a soulless body, what would have been your next move?

 

[Loki882]

It's really Nyssa that pushed it over the top for me. I can kind of buy Laurel not listening to the others, but Nyssa? Yeah it's not like Sara was her "beloved" or anything, that she would have done anything to get back. Moved mountains, lay waste entire countries, sacrifice cute puppies to Darkseid, anything. But even SHE was saying that this is a BAD idea, don't do it.

 

[roach]

Well if now Oliver has to clean up her mess, then it's going to be irritating. Apparently, HE'S the one who brings in Constantine, not her. The trend of "everyone else is completely useless if Oliver isn't around" that the show has been doing is annoying. Also, if they just threw away all of the Laurel/Nyssa friendship stuff from last season, I'm going to be even more annoyed.

To be fair the show is called Arrow for a reason

 

[Loki882]

^No, no, no, no. I don't buy that for one second. It's called "Arrow" because he's the lead, but doesn't automatically mean that no one else can do anything without him around. Other shows understand this concept, you're supporting cast can still be competent and accomplish things on their own.

 

[Nathan]

Exactly. Just look at the Flash for example. Despite the show being named The Flash, the main lead is completely incompetent half the time, and doesn't get anything done without his supporting cast.

 

[Primal Slayer]

To be fair the show is called Arrow for a reason

Doesn't mean he has to be the hero to every storyline. I doubt Oliver will have nothing to do with saving Palmer. He won't be calling some random flashback buddy who knows how to fix it.

 

[Hunter Rider]

How exactly was Laurel going to clean up the mess she made? The only people she knows in this line are Team Arrow and Team Flash, she has no connections and has created a situation that is way too big for her, and in truth Ollie isn't fixing her mess, he simply puts her in contact with a guy who might be able to help, so if anything it's Constantine that is fixing her mess

 

[Hunter Rider]

Doesn't mean he has to be the hero to every storyline. I doubt Oliver will have nothing to do with saving Palmer. He won't be calling some random flashback buddy who knows how to fix it.

I imagine it will be Cisco and Stein that help Felicity free Ray since that is their area of expertise and it will create a dynamic between Ray and Stein.

 

[roach]

Exactly. Just look at the Flash for example. Despite the show being named The Flash, the main lead is completely incompetent half the time, and doesn't get anything done without his supporting cast.

We are also dealing with a Flash that is new on day one.
Ollie seems to have several seasons of back story doing this sort of thing over people who have been doing it since season one

 

[Valken-1]

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[JC00]

Apparently Oliver's known him for a while and his sister needing his help should really be something that makes him consider it.

I wouldn't assume he is going to be able fully help with the after effects of the Pit. Seems more likely he's just coming to make Sara, Sara again.

 

[Primal Slayer]

How exactly was Laurel going to clean up the mess she made? The only people she knows in this line are Team Arrow and Team Flash, she has no connections and has created a situation that is way too big for her, and in truth Ollie isn't fixing her mess, he simply puts her in contact with a guy who might be able to help, so if anything it's Constantine that is fixing her mess

My preference would've been for Laurel to hear about him and seek him out or have Nyssa seek him out or those two team up to contact him.

Early on we had rumors of Zedd coming in to set up Constantine, which would've been a good way to have Laurel get in contact with him.

 

[TheBat812]

I feel like I wasn't paying attention... But what happened to Ray Palmer? i guess that's just how involved last season kept me, lol.

 

[SpideyVille]

I feel like I wasn't paying attention... But what happened to Ray Palmer? i guess that's just how involved last season kept me, lol.

He was tinkering with his suit and next thing you know, there was an explosion that took out his entire office floor. He was presumed dead, which is why the city was renamed Star City, in his honor.

 

[Paradox1]

Ok, and once you know you ****ed up, and what you got was basically a soulless body, what would have been your next move?

Voodoo doctor

 

[Mike Murdock]

Really? ... Really?! What she brought back is essentially a Gouhl. I don't know how she could possibly be more in the wrong. "Yay! My sister is back! But please don't go near if you value your life." She done f***ed it up!

Doesn't mean she couldn't revive her and then find a way to restore her to normalcy later. In fact, I suspect she'll be ultimately successful

 

[ThePreface]

Early on we had rumors of Zedd coming in to set up Constantine, which would've been a good way to have Laurel get in contact with him.

So much this.

 

[Nathan]

Doesn't mean she couldn't revive her and then find a way to restore her to normalcy later. In fact, I suspect she'll be ultimately successful

That's a plan you make beforehand. You don't wing it when it comes to the life of a loved one. Yes, and she'll ultimately will be successful, because Ollie puts her in contact with Constantine. Not because she's was knowing what she was doing or anything. Even the people in charge of the Pit have no clue what to do in this situation.

 

[zenith16]

^No, no, no, no. I don't buy that for one second. It's called "Arrow" because he's the lead, but doesn't automatically mean that no one else can do anything without him around. Other shows understand this concept, you're supporting cast can still be competent and accomplish things on their own.

Yup. Your Absolutly correct. but it's a lost cause due to the writers of this show sadly. the word common sense with characters we touch whats that? they want them a certain way and that's why it's called dumbed down writing. we have talented actor's and actress's on the writers.........I've let go of alot. I don't make excuse's for them ether . what done is done , But your right. It won't change though your fight the stream of a water fall.

 

[zenith16]

I imagine it will be Cisco and Stein that help Felicity free Ray since that is their area of expertise and it will create a dynamic between Ray and Stein.

Yeah that would be awesome. but it'll likely be just terrific. but the more brains there are the higher the chance's are to succeed . So I hope those two visit or teleconference with her and Mr. Terrific sine Ray contacted her on that smart phone of her's

 

[Hunter Rider]

My preference would've been for Laurel to hear about him and seek him out or have Nyssa seek him out or those two team up to contact him.

Yeah that would be awesome. but it'll likely be just terrific. but the more brains there are the higher the chance's are to succeed . So I hope those two visit or teleconference with her and Mr. Terrific sine Ray contacted her on that smart phone of her's

I get where you are both coming from but these arcs seem to me to be more about setting up LoT and introducing Constantine than about Laurel and Felicity. I think Stein helping Curtis bring Ray back is a natural fit in particular.

 

[SpideyVille]

I get where you are both coming from but these arcs seem to me to be more about setting up LoT and introducing Constantine than about Laurel and Felicity. I think Stein helping Curtis bring Ray back is a natural fit in particular.

Yeah, that's been my only issue with these last couple of episodes for bother series. I get that they are setting up a third show, but in a way, they are kinda hurting the two they already have set up.