Arrow Arrow General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[TheRedWraith]

After Slade Wilson, Malcolm is the only interesting villain.

Ra's al ghul is also good, but nowhere near as interesting as the two above.

As for Damien Darhk, the actor, Neal McDonough is portraying the character well, but I'm not satisfied with the villain. The actor is fine, but the writing for the character isn't that interesting. The Arrow writers really hyped him up how awesome he will be, and ruthless like Slade, but i see no such trait in his character. I hope the writers suddenly make him interesting, hopefully in 4x15? Because the character hasn't been that impressive.

The problem with Damien is overexposure and lack of Lieutenants, if Team Arrow had some named and skilled Lieutenants (adapt some known villains that fit the mold of underbosses) to fight and try to capture for interrogation purposes rather than Darhk being at every site and not being able to kill Oliver or running it would help his menace. With the Lieutenants you would keep the first meeting the anarchy after Damian's family a post-midseason fight where Oliver barely survives and maybe one more but save the epic fight for the last episode. Now that doesn't don't show him talking to his organization just don't show him actually fighting oliver that often, or in range of Oliver and able to kill him.

 

[TheRedWraith]

Arrow 1x15 Taken Promo
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Enter Vixen!!

Did you know in the metropolis guide book there is a reference to Vixen in her civilian form as Mari McCabe.

 

[zenith16]

The problem with Damien is overexposure and lack of Lieutenants, if Team Arrow had some named and skilled Lieutenants (adapt some known villains that fit the mold of underbosses) to fight and try to capture for interrogation purposes rather than Darhk being at every site and not being able to kill Oliver or running it would help his menace. With the Lieutenants you would keep the first meeting the anarchy after Damian's family a post-midseason fight where Oliver barely survives and maybe one more but save the epic fight for the last episode. Now that doesn't don't show him talking to his organization just don't show him actually fighting oliver that often, or in range of Oliver and able to kill him.

that could have easily been done with Queen bee and having dark as her executive. where oversee's all their operations. like how brother blood has been in other mediums for H.i.v.e like the animated serise.

it could still be done now too with his partners but they aren't really doing much with those people/ characters beside site down meetings where Darhk ether has snark back and forth with them or kill them if thy bad mouth his wife etc.

We'll have to see if they(the writers) ever use those so called none discript partners for anything as Darhk cannon falder that he kills him self.

 

[TheRedWraith]

that could have easily been done with Queen bee and having dark as her executive. where oversee's all their operations. like how brother blood has been in other mediums for H.i.v.e like the animated serise.

it could still be done now too with his partners but they aren't really doing much with those people/ characters beside site down meetings where Darhk ether has snark back and forth with them or kill them if thy bad mouth his wife etc.

We'll have to see if they(the writers) ever use those so called none discript partners for anything as Darhk cannon falder that he kills him self.

Good Idea, hell, they could have had Darhk empower her with mystical might so she can allure and control people like she can in the comics. I would definitely have more than one lieutenant though. How about Darhk>Queen Bee>2 or three main Ghosts who are named and unique, Double Down could have been one of them>all the other canon fodder ghosts.

 

[zenith16]

Good Idea, hell, they could have had Darhk empower her with mystical might so she can allure and control people like she can in the comics. I would definitely have more than one lieutenant though. How about Darhk>Queen Bee>2 or three main Ghosts who are named and unique, Double Down could have been one of them>all the other canon fodder ghosts.

yeah I mentioned this before . I can see some ghost's doing that. PMC workers for h.i.v.e. but those partners of dark should have been her so called lieutenants.

they seem to run the organization as a some what corporate deal. so I would have just called them executives. and have those people in charge of other area's so oliver could have done the corporate espionage rout and we could have hal that story with hal and john Stuart where h.i.v.e. executives were using alien tech for illegal mean on humans and business ventures.

It's also speed up his plan for this weird version of eden that Darhk seems to be doing with his god complex they stated for the show.

seeing that they were galactic law men both hal and john it'll make sense. too. well if the writers were allowed to use them.

 

[TheRedWraith]

yeah I mentioned this before . I can see some ghost's doing that. PMC workers for h.i.v.e. but those partners of dark should have been her so called lieutenants.

they seem to run the organization as a some what corporate deal. so I would have just called them executives. and have those people in charge of other area's so oliver could have done the corporate espionage rout and we could have hal that story with hal and john Stuart where h.i.v.e. executives were using alien tech for illegal mean on humans and business ventures.

It's also speed up his plan for this weird version of eden that Darhk seems to be doing with his god complex they stated for the show.

seeing that they were galactic law men both hal and john it'll make sense. too. well if the writers were allowed to use them.

With the executives they should have had Oliver hunting them down one by one to get information, with each sporting a different faction of ghost (with all factions presided over and controlled by Queen Bee who is Damian's direct Lieutenant). They kind of did do that a little earlier on but didn't follow through with it and dropped that thread with that woman dying before she could tell diggle anything.

No Hal, and John Diggle is his own man, plus his brother's last name is also diggle, so no Bueno on the his last name is really Stewart.

 

[zenith16]

With the executives they should have had Oliver hunting them down one by one to get information, with each sporting a different faction of ghost (with all factions presided over and controlled by Queen Bee who is Damian's direct Lieutenant). They kind of did do that a little earlier on but didn't follow through with it and dropped that thread with that woman dying before she could tell diggle anything.

No Hal, and John Diggle is his own man, plus his brother's last name is also diggle, so no Bueno on the his last name is really Stewart.

lol nah man. I mean that john Stuart and diggle are their own men if you ever saw any of my other post older posts I always said that diggle should be his own character and john Stuart has been with the lanterns all this time with hal off planet for the corp's it'll be a meeting of the johns .


I've always stated this you can ask others.

the only difference is one is a lawman (galactic) the other is a street level hero with oliver .

 

[Mike Murdock]

The problem with Damien is overexposure and lack of Lieutenants, if Team Arrow had some named and skilled Lieutenants (adapt some known villains that fit the mold of underbosses) to fight and try to capture for interrogation purposes rather than Darhk being at every site and not being able to kill Oliver or running it would help his menace. With the Lieutenants you would keep the first meeting the anarchy after Damian's family a post-midseason fight where Oliver barely survives and maybe one more but save the epic fight for the last episode. Now that doesn't don't show him talking to his organization just don't show him actually fighting oliver that often, or in range of Oliver and able to kill him.

I agree with that. I'd argue one flaw this season (and last season as well, iirc) is that there is essentially one bad guy to fight with the exception of a couple of episodes. Season one had practically a new villain each week. The guy with the cards is the only exception I can think of related to Darhk and the Calculator the only other one.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

I agree with that. I'd argue one flaw this season (and last season as well, iirc) is that there is essentially one bad guy to fight with the exception of a couple of episodes. Season one had practically a new villain each week. The guy with the cards is the only exception I can think of related to Darhk and the Calculator the only other one.

I think that's why the past few episodes have been so great–you had the military criminals from John's (and Oliver's) past, then Anarky, then the Calculator, and finally Merlyn. It's also why the first two or three episodes were fun, because we had Anarky and Double-Down to break up the constant Ghosts.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

There also the Demolition team sent to take out the team. That the only other enforcer beside Double Down that HIVE used. It mainly been the ghost. I do remember a interview about more comic book character will come in to face team arrow.

There is something important going to happen in episode 15 that may introduce more villains perhaps the so called "other bad big"

 

[JC00]

Deathstoke in the next LoT episode is

Spoiler

Grant Wilson

 

[Mike Murdock]

There also the Demolition team sent to take out the team.

The Demolition Team felt very first season overall, imo.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

The Demolition Team felt very first season overall, imo.

when you mean felt very season 1. Do you mean VOTW with links to the main arc and unlikely to return in the near future?
They did say the season will be similar to season 1 with more civilian clothing instead of all superhero most of the time

 

[TheRedWraith]

I agree with that. I'd argue one flaw this season (and last season as well, iirc) is that there is essentially one bad guy to fight with the exception of a couple of episodes. Season one had practically a new villain each week. The guy with the cards is the only exception I can think of related to Darhk and the Calculator the only other one.

I don't want them to go back to that, I actually think they should do like Gotham Season 2 has, where they have the season (in Theo's case half season) villain and tie in some 2 or 3 episode arc villains so that they naturally occur. That way we get to know the villains and have pathos for them, you still have a couple of 1 episode villains, but not an overabundant amount of them.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Katrina Law lost her role on her new show that she filmed the pilot for.

 

[Dark Raven]

How come she never looks like this on the island?

 

[Dark Raven]

Katrina Law lost her role on her new show that she filmed the pilot for.

What do you mean she lost it? The character was cut? Or they hired a different actress instead?

 

[HighFivingMF]

The lack of hygiene products and cosmetics probably.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

What do you mean she lost it? The character was cut? Or they hired a different actress instead?

recast of her character. It likely we see nyssa again and finally get that flashback with Sara. But Katrina out of a job again

 

[Guard82]

I'd argue one flaw this season (and last season as well, iirc) is that there is essentially one bad guy to fight with the exception of a couple of episodes. Season one had practically a new villain each week.

The problem with Season 1, though, was that most of the villains were pretty bland. Occasionally there would be a decent one like Deadshot or the Huntress (both of whom grew better with time and further character development), but for the most part, the Season 1 Villains of the Week were forgettable and expendable. Only Merlyn, the Big Bad of Season 1, really stood out or made a lasting impression most of the time.

 

[Paradox1]

The first season was aided by the island flashbacks which were as good and sometimes better than what was happening in the present day.

 

[Slade W]

I would love it if Nyssa got a big role on the show. She is a much better character than Felicity, her mother, Curtis Holt and some of the other characters on the show that take up a lot of screen time.

 

[Gintoki]

I want Nyssa to be a season Regular in Season 5.

Give her a new storyline, surrounding the League, and make her join Team Arrow for a few eps in Season 5. This season has barely any Nyssa.

 

[Mike Murdock]

The first season was aided by the island flashbacks which were as good and sometimes better than what was happening in the present day.

Exactly. Those drove the story. I feel like, if we went back to that formula, it might force writers to actually put a plot in the flashbacks. Season 3 was struggling to make them thematically relevant at the expense of telling a story. This season seems to neither make them thematically relevant or tell a story.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

I would love it if Nyssa got a big role on the show. She is a much better character than Felicity, her mother, Curtis Holt and some of the other characters on the show that take up a lot of screen time.

I agree, but I'd rather Katrina Law audition for a DCEU role. I think she has the chops to make the cut for an Aquaman or GLC role.