Arrow Arrow S3- E8 "The Brave and the Bold"

[Boy Scout]

Eerily similar, don't you think folks?lol

Looks fine to me.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Never thought I'd ever have a reason to visit this part of the forums...but here I am.

That was a fantastic episode.
Loved every second of it!
I prefer flash between the two shows personally but I actually enjoyed the arrow ep the most.

...arrow may or may not be growing in me.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

The short interactions between Barry and Diggle where my favourite things about the two episodes.

Agreed.

Barry using the salmon ladder at super speed was kind of funny.

Agreed with this one too.

 

[herolee10]

One thing that I'd like to note is that I really appreciated seeing on how they've kept Roy's fighting abilities at a good beginner's/average level when compared to Oliver still.

This was evident during his fight with Boomerang, where we saw on how Boomerang was able to easily disarm Roy from his bow, whereas Oliver was able to maintain his hold on his and how Boomerang was able to knock out Roy first.

So it's good to see that even when he's wearing his costume and underwent a few months of training, that he's not as good as Oliver is.

 

[zenith16]

One thing that I'd like to note is that I really appreciated seeing on how they've kept Roy's fighting abilities at a good beginner's/average level when compared to Oliver still.

This was evident during his fight with Boomerang, where we saw on how Boomerang was able to easily disarm Roy from his bow, whereas Oliver was able to maintain his hold on his and how Boomerang was able to knock out Roy first.

So it's good to see that even when he's wearing his costume and underwent a few months of training, that he's not as good as Oliver is.

I thought it was just they're sneaky way to live up to his name of Arsenal cause he's supposed to master every other weapon and not just the bow & arrow while with Olliie that was always a constant and most should his main weapon of his skill set. otherwise I'm ok with that cause eventually roy will have to have other masters in that teach better use of weapon & martial arts the Ollie ad he need to have some skills he's mater off compared to ollie who sorta has some but also needs to acquire others ad better skills like Detective work etc.

it's like how batman is a leader work has created alot of teams. the Outsiders, Batman incorporated, Batman leads the Birds of prey from be hind the scene's , with some of the missions they are given but night wing surpassed him in Leadership & and now Espionage spy craft. Batman has computer skills but tim drake surpassed bat man now in hacking. there was Babs as oracle with her data base. Batman has mostly his detective skills scientific skills & more but others have become specialized in others more so then him and that's OK . it allows Batman to be in the field more also shows how human it is for him to not be able to do all, when he's busy in the field. the same could be said Ollie in this case.


It will have to happen eventually, not too soon. But if Roy has to live up to that name of arsenal he'll have to leave & find another trainer be a specialist in skills Ollie doesn't know of to make him a better partner to Ollie and to stand up on his own. Ollies team makes having their own personalized Specialist skill separate from him, is good for the show and his team with in it over all any way.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

I wonder if Roy could be taught some enhance fighting skills from Ted Grant? or maybe Nyssa with her experience with bow/arrow and sword

 

[zenith16]

I wonder if Roy could be taught some enhance fighting skills from Ted Grant? or maybe Nyssa with her experience with bow/arrow and sword

they can always do what they did in the comic's. if & when he does split from Ollie for a bit (and it doesn't have to be a nasty one)they can have Roy work for the CBI the Central bureau of investigation the precursor to check mate which Roy was also apart of both and have that Sarge Steel guy train Roy to be an agent & start him off as it happened there . And they are domestic. plus best part no manipulation by Waller.

like what I said in this thread below

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Originally Posted by herolee10
Well with the way that I pictured it, they could establish that Amanda was removed from her position in between the events of the Season 2 Finale and the Season 3 Premiere due to her extremist methods and it being revealed that she nearly destroyed all of Starling City and its inhabitants.

Lyla would be place in charge of the organization for the time being.

Also, as to their interest in Starling City, given on how the LOA are now the main antagonists for this season, maybe they caught wind of some plot being devised by the LOA and know that it's in regards to Starling City, thus they recruit Team Arrow.

Plus, one could also add that a lot of their own targets are also either in Starling City as well or pass by there, thus giving them more reasons to recruit the team.

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Originally Posted by herolee10
I've said it before and I'll say it again, if they had Oliver and Team Arrow working for ARGUS, with Lyla being in charge of the Starling City section, then they would have taken out so many issues with one stone.

Argus could provide all of the hi-tech equipment for the crew while being the proverbial "source" of info that relays all of the dangerous stuff going on in and out of the city for Team Arrow.

It would provide a new setup and dynamic for the group/show, which is something the Producers have supposedly said that they try to go for with every new season.

It would give a reason for Diggie to still be involved with the team after agreeing with Oliver that he'll step down from his position in Team Arrow.

It would give a better connection to the current flashbacks when Oliver had worked for Argus under Amanda's supervision.

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Originally Posted by Paradox1
There are problems with that proposition. Argus doesn't care about Starling city it fights terrorist all over the globe not crime. Nobody wants to owe anything to Amanda Waller because she is gonna want payment.

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Originally Posted by Arrowshieldfan
I have a feeling that Oliver will decide to regain company back from Palmer somehow. Right now he is having an identity crisis between Oliver Queen and being The Arrow....I do think that theme this season will be resolve. I think they taking the comic book route where Oliver lose the company and get it back at some point.

I have the solution for all 3 of you. There are other Agency's in the DCU.

The one that made Roy a better skilled hero them Oliver in the comic's they gave him detective skills agd made him a master of martial arts and all weaponry besides bow & arrows that oliver oly stayed too ad he wasn't much of hand to had fighter of which olliver took years to catch up with his kids about the time crisis came about befor the new 52 .

That Agency's name is called Central Bureau of Intelligence (CBI), a clandestine government agency largely concerned with drug trafficking and terrorism. The CBI, led by Sarge Steel, trained Harper in undercover work, as well as the use of firearms (Harper learned he was as accurate with a gun as he was with a bow and arrow.) Harper became an official CBI drug enforcement agent.

And more importantly They were more domestic Roy also had the Titan's working for them while he was the team leader of them as well. Then Roy went to work for Checkmate.

Best of all no psycho Waller.

now the other alternative is the club scene to be booming so Oliver can buy shares back into his family company again.

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Re: Arrow General Discussion Thread - - Part 16

 

[Human Torch]

Sorry, but the whole punching thing was cartoonish and silly, Oliver should've been hurt badly after that, like a few broken ribs or something. But hey, is just a silly superhero show right?




I agree with you for the most part, but come on, Lyla is cool!

I don't get why she'd be disliked.She's not a major character.But I think her relationship with Digg (and consequently his fatherhood) gives him a better reason for being in the show.I've always liked Digg,but I've said he really needed some purpose for being in the show beyond giving sage advice.I think this does it for him.

I also liked this part of the crossover better, less silly and a good villain in Capt Boomerang. Usually, a story is only as good as its villain, and indeed it was.




Well, the "superior" show only has one really interesting character IMO:
Harrison Wells

On the rest:

- Oliver is more complex and interesting than boy scout Barry.

- Diggle is a well-rounded character, while Cisco is comic relief.

- Laurel is becoming Black Canary, therefore, more interesting and more potential than Iris.

- Felicity is the most popular female character, so Arrow wins again.

Arrow has better action because is more grounded, so they have more realistic fights, but if you prefer superpowers, then you're just going to prefer The Flash. But to each its own, is all a matter of personal preferences.

This is pretty much apples vs oranges.I like Barry's "boy scout" persona as much as Ollie "dark brooder".Diggle doesn't have to get laughs (which is genuinely tougher than dispensing the quips Digg does) but Cisco's good at it.Etc

 

[Human Torch]

So what do we think of Lyla's implication that (some?) members of the SS were blown up on her orders? Deadshot?Bronze Tiger?

 

[herolee10]

So what do we think of Lyla's implication that (some?) members of the SS were blown up on her orders? Deadshot?Bronze Tiger?

Well it could conveniently explain as to why we may never see some members again, but I doubt that they would get rid of Deadshot that easily, especially given his ties with Diggs. If Deadshot was involved with that fiasco, it probably could be used as a excuse for how Deadshot managed to get loose, though if Floyd did escape then I would think that they would have Lyla tell Diggs about it.

 

[Glassjaw]

I got the impression the Suicide Squad has a high turnover due to the very nature of the work, and that the people in the squad killed on Lyla's orders weren't anyone we'd seen before or had known of.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Yeah, I thought it was stated to be a couple years ago.

 

[Mister J]

God, what a fun two nights this was. I loved how credible of a threat they made Captain Boomerang and the Barry/Oliver dynamic played the best its been to date.

Acknowledging the difference in demeanor of the two teams was a nice touch, even if the explanation was a bit flimsy. It didn't really need one. Different personality types and all. Great stuff from Cisco here.

More crossovers are a must.

 

[Nathan]

Agreed. I hope that we'll get a crossover for a season finale. Maybe not this season, but eventually, when **** really goes down.

 

[zenith16]

It's Also the only way for Laural to get the canary cry . lol since they won't let her be born with it in this series.

 

[Donut]

It's Also the only way for Laural to get the canary cry . lol since they won't let her be born with it in this series.

They can technically still do that I think

 

[zenith16]

They can technically still do that I think

Nah that would have been better done with her child hood and she had to go to a institute and seeing that Diggle & his ex- and soon to be wife's reaction (the latter of which I think she would have ran into meta human's or Argus would have files on them more so then anything that she should of tripped like she did over Barry )

I don't think it's possible for her to have that via birth. other wise when Laural was screaming her head off over sara's second death it should have Happened then & there. they had there chance with that . It's the flash /Arrow crossovers or bust now.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

I want a Justice League vs Secret Society of Villains with Arrow/The Flash/Arsnel/Black Cannary/Wild Cat/Vibe (yes Cisco should get his power at some point)/firstorm vs Captain boomerrang/CaptainCold/Heatwave/Killer Frost/Court Vertigo/Komodo

 

[zenith16]

you mean count Vertigo. well that would be cool. oh you skipped Ray Palmer the Atom and future head of star labs someone has to run that place when wells snaps /turns fully evil lets the world know.

 

[Dark Raven]

What was that mannequin that Ollie got Barry as a gift at the end of the episode? Is it to hang his costume on?

 

[zenith16]

What was that mannequin that Ollie got Barry as a gift at the end of the episode? Is it to hang his costume on?

I think it'll be used for Barry like for kick boxing like a punching bag maybe. With the way Barry punch's it makes sense. and I think martial art traing will be good for him seriously in the comic's it too age's for wally to learn that from the others his age and Barry never learned it. But another of the flash family learned it from the jump the female Jess quick and she was better for it which wally stated in the books .

 

[The Sage]

What was that mannequin that Ollie got Barry as a gift at the end of the episode? Is it to hang his costume on?

Yep.

 

[zenith16]

hmm I still think it's to use as a punching bag cause they made a big deal of what it was made of durability wise.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

It was definitely to hang his costume on.

 

[zenith16]

It was definitely to hang his costume on.

ell if that's the case talking about what it was made of was pointless lol . what they need is to not keep Turning their backs to be surprised by the villain their up against that week. not talk about what their suit rack was made of and say for next time . that 's a odd conversation. but anyway it's cool. Anyway well the do need a closet space. sorta. they need security ad to move more . oh but common sense. it's so rare of late. still love the show . But seriously.