Arrow Arrow Season 2 Episode 13 "Heir to the Demon" Rate/Review thread

[regnak]

This is where some Laurel fans get laughable. What Sara did was exactly cheating, no more no less. Don't make Sara out to be some kind of total ***** monster just because you prefer Laurel.

Was Sara in the wrong? Yes. So was Oliver (more so him if anything as he was the instigator and also the one in the relationship).

Laurel's pain at thinking Sara was dead all this time and not having the chance to be angry at her wasn't Sara's fault. That was circumstance. Sara had perfectly understandable and legitimate reasons for not contacting her family given the power, influence and sheer threat of the League of Assassins. In that, Sara honestly believed she was doing the right thing.


That wasn't a betrayal. Quentin knowing about Sara being alive and not telling Laurel was him keeping his promise to Sara...and Sara made him promise that to protect Laurel and Dinah, not for any selfish reason.

ALso, I'm finding it really funny how some people seem convinced Sara has some evil hidden agenda. She doesn't, not based on how she's been portrayed all season. Sara isn't evil. she has made some poor decisions, but no more than Laurel, or Oliver, or Moira.

So who are you really? This is the 4th or 5th time a poster has started with their 1st(and usually only) post on SHH bashing Laurel. That just reeks of alternate handles for trolling.

 

[ares834]

I wasn't all that impressed by this episode. I felt it was good, but not great. And frankly, this Moira running for governor plot line is ridiculous.

 

[Nathan]

Well, crazier **** has happened in DC.

 

[The Guard]

Anyone kind of disappointed in Nyssa's general lack of motivation during this episode?

She wanted her lover back? Meh.

I was hoping for a bit more story from her end.

 

[regnak]

Anyone kind of disappointed in Nyssa's general lack of motivation during this episode?

She wanted her lover back? Meh.

I was hoping for a bit more story from her end.

It was lame as hell for her to release Sara like that.

 

[godisawesome]

I'd feel better about it if we had the other Al Ghul siblings to compare her to. All three supposedly have flaws that prevent their inheritance from Ra's. Dusan's supposed to be sickly, but so incredibly loyal that he makes a perfect servant and lieutenant. Talia is a mixture of being a bit disloyal (traditionally via her relationship with Batman, now her own manipulative agenda) and being less committed to the LoA's goals. Nyssa's was her own autonomy in what little time she had in the comics, and here it's likely to be a mix of her orientation and hot-blooded nature.

Maybe they can have David Cain or Shiva pop up and say "yeah, no, Ra's has enough trouble with one rogue agent, so we're gonna kill his daughter's ex." That'd be cool, and you could use this episode as a lapse in the Sara/LoA storyline instead of an ending.

 

[Sawyer]

It was lame as hell for her to release Sara like that.

Was it, though? Sara's terms were basically "release me or I'll kill myself".

 

[regnak]

Was it, though? Sara's terms were basically "release me or I'll kill myself".

Well that would be fine only one way to leave the league. By Ras's rules she should have never released Sara while she lived.

 

[Sawyer]

Nyssa's lady-bits don't care what her father thinks.

 

[jonathancrane]

I wasn't all that impressed by this episode. I felt it was good, but not great. And frankly, this Moira running for governor plot line is ridiculous.

It's Mayor, not governor.

 

[antsman41]

David Cain would be awesome on this show...

 

[The Guard]

I thought that said Dean Cain for a second.

But yeah. Cain would be a fantastic addition, if he were done right and given the weight a character like that deserves. You could bring his daughter Cassandra into play as well.

 

[Omegabat]

That's where I got the overly attached, and also delusional girlfriend vibe from. She had it already all planned out. Living together for a year, being engaged for a year, and then obviously marriage, etc. All with the guy who is a known bad boy playboy, who slept with at least 10 girls they knew, but Laurel is already planning when to get a bun in the oven.




And thanks to an island flashback, we now realize that Laurel is a giant hypocrite. Here is how her support looks like. She gets her little sister grounded, so she can't get together with the one guy Laurel full well knows she likes. And while Sara is grounded, she snatches up the boy. Big sis of the year.



Which her boyfriend initiated.



Yes, right after her sister didn't even give her a chance to explain herself, and pretty much threw her out of her home. After the night's crazy events, she needed comfort. Oh, and at this point Ollie hasn't been Laurel's boyfriend anymore.



The writers honestly don't give us much to work with, with Laurel. So it's not really a surprise.

I'm sorry but WHAT? we got the island story from Sara's perspective how can you base your argument on that? Sara was immature and frankly stupid,she had no business on that boat and she had no business being at that party,Ollie and Tommy were Laurels friends not hers,why do you think she had to sneak out? she was a reckless partying type and not particularly good in studies. For all we know Laurel did it to protect Sara.

 

[Omegabat]

Anyone kind of disappointed in Nyssa's general lack of motivation during this episode?

She wanted her lover back? Meh.

I was hoping for a bit more story from her end.

She wasn't really Nyssa,more like we couldn't afford Talia. Her relationship with Sara was similar to Talia's relationship with Batman.

 

[Loki882]

Considering how poorly Nyssa was ultimately handled in the comics, I'm fine with the change. Besides, while her motivation may have been simple, I do find it believable. She was also a surprisingly complicated character, which I enjoyed.

 

[JC00]

She wasn't really Nyssa,more like we couldn't afford Talia. Her relationship with Sara was similar to Talia's relationship with Batman.

What a terrible post.

 

[Omegabat]

Considering how poorly Nyssa was ultimately handled in the comics, I'm fine with the change. Besides, while her motivation may have been simple, I do find it believable. She was also a surprisingly complicated character, which I enjoyed.

Yeah I liked her a lot,never really cared for comic Nyssa myself.

 

[Omegabat]

What a terrible post.

What's terrible about it? this Nyssa was far closer to Talia,it may have been unintentional but that's how it played out.

 

[Golgo-13]

Nyssa kicking some ass.

http://www.eonline.com/news/507249/...s-her-killer-debut-watch-the-kickass-clip-now

Sexy as ****!

My only gripe about the scene was considering the League i so well establish, why would an alert show up in the database? The league has people in all parts of government including national security.

 

[DrRocket]

^ this is The Arrowverse, the league is probably a lot different than from what we know

 

[Nathan]

Well, it was an A.R.G.U.S. Security Alert. Who knows, maybe they are more secure than your typical government facilities.

 

[godisawesome]

Sexy as ****!

My only gripe about the scene was considering the League i so well establish, why would an alert show up in the database? The league has people in all parts of government including national security.

It also acted as foreshadowing that Nyssa's more hot blooded and less professional than the other League members. None of them have been discovered while infiltrating the city, even Merlin after his "death." It even contrasts nicely with Talia's new place in pop culture as a master deceiver.

 

[Mister J]

I thought Oliver's reaction to the Moira revelation would have played better if it just planted a seed of doubt in mind about how manipulative Mommie Dearest may or not be. Then, he later developments crack the dam on that. Mirrored hypocrisy or what, it just didn't play. Of course, she continued to lie about that.

Great stuff from Nyssa. Really hope the character returns at some point (along with Merlyn). Love the LoA appearances.

God, it's going to suck when they job Sara out of the Canary role in favor Lauren's ascent from drunken hot mess into something else. Hopefully, there's a swerve there and they decide on a path of re-establishing that character without offing her sister. Although, I agree with the take of a number of others; I'd be stunned if Slade doesn't kill someone close to Ollie by season's end.

Stupid hiatus. Let's get to the Roy/Arsenal build.

 

[Hunter Rider]

While I do agree they didn't have to take it there with them it was a great way to set up future plot threads on the Oliver Queen and Arrow side. There "new" relationship is going to cause tension between Oliver and Laurel of course but also between Arrow and Detective Lance. Plus they had to give a way for Nyssa to hate Arrow (which sets up future plot points using the League and her) and the easiest way is to have her and Sarah having been in a relationship but Nyssa realizing that Oliver is one of the reasons why she doesn't want to come back. You could see it on her face after Oliver bested her (plus that was really good acting on her part).

The Ollie vs Nyssa possibilities are interesting but I see a lot of soapy sister vs sister over a guy drama coming from this, and I really don't think they need to go that route as Laurel just isn't interesting enough to eat up that kind of time.

I thought Oliver's reaction to the Moira revelation would have played better if it just planted a seed of doubt in mind about how manipulative Mommie Dearest may or not be. Then, he later developments crack the dam on that. Mirrored hypocrisy or what, it just didn't play. Of course, she continued to lie about that.

Great stuff from Nyssa. Really hope the character returns at some point (along with Merlyn). Love the LoA appearances.

God, it's going to suck when they job Sara out of the Canary role in favor Lauren's ascent from drunken hot mess into something else. Hopefully, there's a swerve there and they decide on a path of re-establishing that character without offing her sister. Although, I agree with the take of a number of others; I'd be stunned if Slade doesn't kill someone close to Ollie by season's end.

Stupid hiatus. Let's get to the Roy/Arsenal build.

Yeah I think the main reason they have put Ollie and Sara together is simply so Slade can kill her and "even the score" with Ollie over his perceived blame in the death of Shado.

Agreed on Roy, I'm ready for him to get to the next phase and for Thea to get in on the secret.

 

[Matt.S99]

Sarah being killed off is the only way I see Laurel becoming BC. Even the , I think most of us would rather they just keep Sarah on.