Avengers vs. X-Men: 2012 Event - Part 2

[JewishHobbit]

Hmm, interesting. I don't know what to think of all that so I'll just wait for official info when it comes.

 

[runawayboulder]

I don't know why some people insist that a line wide reboot is the answer for Marvel...

 

[Dangerman]

I don't know why some people insist that a line wide reboot is the answer for Marvel...

I say that because all they are doing is once again just changing the title line ups and giving them new suits and putting out more books. That is nothing more than what they have already been doing. If not for them having an event every other month and putting out so many 15 variant covers for their books DC would be kicking their butts right now. They need to fix their messed up continuity.

 

[runawayboulder]

I don't see how Marvel's continuity is messed up, you'll have to explain that one to me.

 

[BoredGuy]

Eh, this guys been beating the "Marvel needs a reboot" drum for a while.
Must be a big new 52 fan.. cuz that worked so well for DC
its not necessary for Marvel
It was a temporary boost for DC's sales, and then they slipped back down.
I don't think any kind of reboot is the answer for sales, just write good damn stories

 

[Manic]

Unfortunately, writing good damn stories doesn't help with sales. That's why X-Factor sells so poorly, the last version of Exiles didn't get to finish its first arc, and MI:13 didn't make it past the 15th issue.

 

[roach]

Unfortunately, writing good damn stories doesn't help with sales. That's why X-Factor sells so poorly, the last version of Exiles didn't get to finish its first arc, and MI:13 didn't make it past the 15th issue.

exactly...what sells are big dumb crossovers. As much as people complain about Civil War and Fear Itself they put money in Marvel's pocket.

 

[Dangerman]

Eh, this guys been beating the "Marvel needs a reboot" drum for a while.
Must be a big new 52 fan.. cuz that worked so well for DC
its not necessary for Marvel
It was a temporary boost for DC's sales, and then they slipped back down.
I don't think any kind of reboot is the answer for sales, just write good damn stories

No I haven't if you read any of my post even when I was Ultimate Superman I have done nothing but praised Marvel up until OMD. The only reboot durm I have been beating is they needed to undo OMD other than that I love Cap and the Ultimate line. I never said Marvel or DC needed to reboot. I saw Marvel should right now because of how old their history is and for the target area they are going for sooner or later they are going to have to reboot since your history goes all the way back to the 60's. Know what you're talking about before saying that someone been saying this for a long time.

 

[Havok83]

Rebooting the MU would be an incredibly horrible decision that would most likely backfire more than anything. It would be stupid of Marvel attempted to do that

 

[roach]

I don't want a reboot but I think some of Marvel's books have moved very far away from the core concept and need to return to it (X-Men)

 

[Manic]

Thing is, the X-Men comics can't go back to their core concept until there's more than 200 mutants on Earth. As much as many of us have hated the militarized isolationist direction the X-Men have gone in these last few years, that's the logical next step when the entire mutant population can fit in a high school gym. M-Day was possibly the worst idea Bendis and Mike Marts ever conceived.

Until Marvel Comics decides to bring the mutant population back to normal, we have no chance of getting our "normal" X-Men comics back.

 

[roach]

I don't think it was a logical step.

 

[Havok83]

I don't think it was a logical step.

same here. The militant isolationist direction didnt happen until after they moved to San Francisco. Things didnt really change that much following M Day within the books. WaTX has been a step in the right direction, getting back to how things used to be and thats still operating under the under 200 mutants landscape. Hopefully AvX will result in the Phoenix Force being used to reactivate the X-gene and the X-men unite again as one. I have my doubts on that happening though

 

[roach]

to me being militant toward humans when a mutant wiped out half the race makes no sense

 

[Havok83]

to me being militant toward humans when a mutant wiped out half the race makes no sense

The X-men didnt become militant towards humans when the race was wiped out

 

[runawayboulder]

The sales success of DC's new 52 is like everything else in hindsight - 20/20. There were a lot of people (like myself) that thought it would fail.

Marvel needs to:

1. Write good stories.

2. Get back to basics for characters that have gotten off track.

3. Stop changing universe status quo with every event or every other event.

4. Stop stretching out the writers too thin with 3 or 4 top tier titles, the quality takes a hit when you do that.

5. Stop relaunching the top tier titles that have been around since the company launched in the 60's (Avengers, Thor, Iron Man, ASM, UXM ect). Save that stuff for the books that actually need the sales boost.

 

[roach]

The sales success of DC's new 52 is like everything else in hindsight - 20/20. There were a lot of people (like myself) that thought it would fail.

Marvel needs to:

1. Write good stories.

2. Get back to basics for characters that have gotten off track.

3. Stop changing universe status quo with every event or every other event.

4. Stop stretching out the writers too thin with 3 or 4 top tier titles, the quality takes a hit when you do that.

5. Stop relaunching the top tier titles that have been around since the company launched in the 60's (Avengers, Thor, Iron Man, ASM, UXM ect). Save that stuff for the books that actually need the sales boost.

it seems so simple

 

[Havok83]

I think they need to simplify and streamline things. Its funny bc a decade ago, they went and cancelled several X-books bc there were too many in the line and now we have even more books with X-men in the title and multiple spinoff titles. Its really diluted the brand. I do apprecaite that at least now the books have different casts instead of using the same 6-7 but still there are too many. Astonishing and X-men definetly need to go. I loved it in the 90s when it was just Uncanny and X-men and you had X-force, X-factor, Gen X and Excalibur for variety. Now its like 6 X-men titles with New Mutants, Uncanny X-force and X-factor and they are going to be adding more this fall. Its too much and the books lose their identity and get lost in the shuffle as a result.

 

[roach]

I would reduce the books to X-men, Uncanny X-men, X-Force, Excalibur and Generation X.
X-men would be Storm's team
Uncanny would be Scott's team
X-force would be a led by Cable but would be proactive
Excalibur would be the international team
Generation X would be the New Mutants training the next group of mutants

 

[BoredGuy]

No I haven't if you read any of my post even when I was Ultimate Superman I have done nothing but praised Marvel up until OMD. The only reboot durm I have been beating is they needed to undo OMD other than that I love Cap and the Ultimate line. I never said Marvel or DC needed to reboot. I saw Marvel should right now because of how old their history is and for the target area they are going for sooner or later they are going to have to reboot since your history goes all the way back to the 60's. Know what you're talking about before saying that someone been saying this for a long time.

Ok wedge your panties outta the bunch they're in
you've said it for the past couple pages, and over on the Marvel Now thread, and who knows where else.
My point is that not many here seem to support the idea of a reboot.
And I would certainly be very disappointed if they went that route.

Agreed about OMD though, that was some continuity-screwing BS right there. But that's exactly my problem with the New 52 as well, and "reboots" in general.

 

[runawayboulder]

I would reduce the books to X-men, Uncanny X-men, X-Force, Excalibur and Generation X.
X-men would be Storm's team
Uncanny would be Scott's team
X-force would be a led by Cable but would be proactive
Excalibur would be the international team
Generation X would be the New Mutants training the next group of mutants

This is the problem though. New Mutants doesn't sell now even with the beloved tandem of DnA writing it. How is the name Generation X going to help? It won't. Same with a Cable led X-Force and the current X-Men title that features a team led by Storm.

Uncanny X-Force sells well now, no need to dump it for Cable. Same with Wolverine and the X-Men, why dump it when it sells well for something that has a 50/50 shot at success?

 

[roach]

This is the problem though. New Mutants doesn't sell now even with the beloved tandem of DnA writing it. How is the name Generation X going to help? It won't. Same with a Cable led X-Force and the current X-Men title that features a team led by Storm.

Uncanny X-Force sells well now, no need to dump it for Cable. Same with Wolverine and the X-Men, why dump it when it sells well for something that has a 50/50 shot at success?

i have an aversion to Wolverine being a leader.

 

[Specter313]

at least Bendis isnt taking over Uncanny from Gillen. Now that would have been awful. Let him take X-men, which has always been an irrelevant series

Yeah, lookee there. Bendis ISN'T taking over the X-Men franchise as a whole that others told us we should just bow down and accept. Instead he's just getting a new book altogether, one that I'm pretty sure wasn't even mentioned in the rumors at all, that I can not buy and pretend doesn't exist. And people wonder why I don't take stock in rumors like those.

 

[roach]

well to be fair we don't know the full line ups of books and writers

 

[runawayboulder]

i have an aversion to Wolverine being a leader.

Too bad because Aaron and Remender do a great job with him in that role as opposed to the rest of the writers that insist on using him as an insane person.