The Dark Knight Rises Batman 3: Where does the story go from here?

[Lungrocket]

You sure seem like it from many of your previous posts. I don't know if it's kind of reaction to those who oppose your view, but you certainly come off as very very very confident of this.

Yes. Because I believe something as severe will happen. i just don't know what outcome that will be.

 

[Lungrocket]

You sure seem like it from many of your previous posts. I don't know if it's kind of reaction to those who oppose your view, but you certainly come off as very very very confident of this.

Yes. Because I believe something as severe will happen. i just don't know what outcome that will be.

 

[Gianakin_]

Woah, internet lag?

 

[Gianakin_]

Woah, internet lag?

 

[Lungrocket]

Yikes.

 

[batman11]

We should get some lining for these thread walls. Lots of echoes.

t:

 

[Brother Jack]

Do you honestly think WB is going to let Nolan kill Batman? Come on now.

 

[raybia]

Do you honestly think WB is going to let Nolan kill Batman? Come on now.

Exactly. Plus it would seem that Nolan would be counterdicting himself by doing so as he had Ra's tell Bruce in BB that he would become a legend. I just doing think he has done enough to be considered that, even with a 3rd movie coming out.

 

[The ?ion]

I find it interesting that people brought up Nolan's film style. You know, if you look at the record for most of his films, they all have endings that turn things on their head. Look no further than Memento, Inception or the Prestige. All of those movies had endings that at best, left the protagonists in a horrible condition (Memento and Inception) or at worst, killed a few of them (The Prestige). Nolan clearly isn't all about neat and tidy happy endings. He is quite capable of forsaking his protagonist, or leaving things in a state of disarray. Not saying that this means Batman will die as the final denouement of the trilogy, but Batman having served his purpose, is plausible, if we follow Nolan's track record.

 

[raybia]

I find it interesting that people brought up Nolan's film style. You know, if you look at the record for most of his films, they all have endings that turn things on their head. Look no further than Memento, Inception or the Prestige. All of those movies had endings that at best, left the protagonists in a horrible condition (Memento and Inception) or at worst, killed a few of them (The Prestige). Nolan clearly isn't all about neat and tidy happy endings. He is quite capable of forsaking his protagonist, or leaving things in a state of disarray. Not saying that this means Batman will die as the final denouement of the trilogy, but Batman having served his purpose, is plausible, if we follow Nolan's track record.

I definitely know won't end like Superman the Movie with Batman smiling as the credits go down.

 

[Lungrocket]

Do you honestly think WB is going to let Nolan kill Batman? Come on now.

Yes. They might not be comfortable with it. But I don't see why not.

This is not only Nolan's last Batman film, but the entire cast as well.

WB can simply reboot as the Spiderman series is doing now and have it be a different take on Batman with a new cast and crew. Batman is therefore alive again.

Nolan didn't have to follow Schumacher and Burton, making sequels to their films. He went back and started over from scratch.

What's stopping them from doing it again? Different filmmakers, making there own stories out of the character.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

I find it interesting that people brought up Nolan's film style. You know, if you look at the record for most of his films, they all have endings that turn things on their head. Look no further than Memento, Inception or the Prestige. All of those movies had endings that at best, left the protagonists in a horrible condition (Memento and Inception) or at worst, killed a few of them (The Prestige). Nolan clearly isn't all about neat and tidy happy endings. He is quite capable of forsaking his protagonist, or leaving things in a state of disarray. Not saying that this means Batman will die as the final denouement of the trilogy, but Batman having served his purpose, is plausible, if we follow Nolan's track record.

The ending of Inception, and Cobb's "condition" are left to interpretation.

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The top wobbled but it didn't fall down. I'd say its a 50/50 shot that Cobb has made it back home to his children.

And with The Prestige...

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Yes, Fallon died. Yes, Angiers died (sorry, he deserved it! t But Borden got his daughter back.

And I really don't think you can overemphasize WB's control over the project. Yes, they have faith in Nolan. Yes, they've given him substantial leeway. But Batman is not Dom Cobb. Or Leonard Shelby. Or Alfred Borden. He's BATMAN TM. A corporate property. One of, if not the most, lucrative property in their stable.

 

[Lungrocket]

Exactly. Plus it would seem that Nolan would be counterdicting himself by doing so as he had Ra's tell Bruce in BB that he would become a legend.

He didn't say LIVING legend. Usually people become legends more so after they die.

Elvis is a legend.

I just doing think he has done enough to be considered that, even with a 3rd movie coming out.

Well perhaps his actions in RISES are grand enough to merit the moniker. And perhaps his death could directly tie into solidifying his legendary status in the eyes of Gotham.

 

[Gianakin_]

He didn't say LIVING legend. Usually people become legends more so after they die.

Elvis is a legend.

Well perhaps his actions in RISES are grand enough to merit the moniker. And perhaps his death could directly tie into solidifying his legendary status in the eyes of Gotham.

If he dies, then he must not be revealed as Wayne, though, since this would go against the plane speech in BB "as Bruce I could be destroyed etc". He needs to die and remain Batman.

 

[Lungrocket]

The ending of Inception, and Cobb's "condition" are left to interpretation.

Yes but those are both examples of a positive/negative ending, which I sighted with the examples of BRAVEHEART, GLADIATOR, SPARTACUS,...

Films who's deaths were not in vain.

And I really don't think you can overemphasize WB's control over the project. Yes, they have faith in Nolan. Yes, they've given him substantial leeway. But Batman is not Dom Cobb. Or Leonard Shelby. Or Alfred Borden. He's BATMAN TM. A corporate property. One of, if not the most, lucrative property in their stable.

And again... they've killed characters before. They've killed Superman. They've killed Robin. They've paralyzed Batman. They are going to kill Spiderman in the comics soon.

Why should they stop him from dying in the film when they can simply have him alive again with a new series of films following Nolan's trilogy.

It's not like they are making a Batman film WITHOUT Batman.

 

[The Joker]

And again... they've killed characters before. They've killed Superman. They've killed Robin. They've paralyzed Batman. They are going to kill Spiderman in the comics soon.

Hardly a good analogy. Comics are a monthly, sometimes even a bi-weekly thing. Second, Superman's death was temporary. Robin's death was voted by the readers, and even that's been reversed as he's back now as The Red Hood. Batman's paralysis, like Superman's death, was temporary. And you can count on Spidey's 'death' being a temporary thing, too.

Batman is not going to be killed at the end of Nolan's trilogy. That would make it permanent, and no iconic hero ever gets killed off permanently like that. Be a terrible way to end the trilogy.

 

[Mr. Earle]

So get this: This is a story about a special man who decides to use his pain to do good. Why would you kill him 2 or 3 years in his career? "Hurr, he died to save us." Its a terrible cliche and besides we've already seen him sacrifice enough to call him a hero. Why not end this story with Bruce solidifying his place as Gotham's protector and becoming one with it? Isnt life long commitment to such a cause a huge sacrifice already?

I'm not saying that Nolan wont kill him, he might do it, but it would be a terrible decision and i doubt Nolan hasnt got a better judgement than that.

 

[raybia]

Yes but those are both examples of a positive/negative ending, which I sighted with the examples of BRAVEHEART, GLADIATOR, SPARTACUS,...

Films who's deaths were not in vain.



And again... they've killed characters before. They've killed Superman. They've killed Robin. They've paralyzed Batman. They are going to kill Spiderman in the comics soon.

Why should they stop him from dying in the film when they can simply have him alive again with a new series of films following Nolan's trilogy.

It's not like they are making a Batman film WITHOUT Batman.

You make a good argument. Of course it could be done, the question is: is that what I want to see? I think there are further adventures that at least in my mind that Nolan's Batman such have before his ultimate demise.

 

[Lungrocket]

If he dies, then he must not be revealed as Wayne, though, since this would go against the plane speech in BB "as Bruce I could be destroyed etc". He needs to die and remain Batman.

I could see something like this going down just before the climax...

Bruce enters Wayne Manor. Finds Alfred, nearly dead on the floor (maybe shot or bludgened by the villain. Alfred warns Bruce that they know who he is.

Alfred: They're coming for you.

Bruce: Who?

Alfred: Everyone.

Alfred points to the tv. News reports showing split images of Batman and Bruce Wayne. Hard evidence proving they are one in the same.

Don't forget, Batman is a fugitive... t:

Cut to: outside of Wayne manor as SWAT and police break through the Wayne manor gate. News choppers hover above. Bruce Wayne is cornered.

Bruce has to escape into the cave, dons the outfit one final time. He breaks out but is pursued. He must deal with not only the villain, but Gotham as well.

So yes...I see him (if he dies) dying as Batman, sacrificing himself for Gotham. It's that action which somehow makes the city realize that they were chasing, not a murderer, but a hero. Making him a legend.

 

[BrazilianBatFan]

You should check the Cinematical website, guys. They're saying there is a rumor WB wants a live action series with Batman, which would pick up where the movie leaves.

 

[Lungrocket]

You make a good argument. Of course it could be done, the question is: is that what I want to see? I think there are further adventures that at least in my mind that Nolan's Batman such have before his ultimate demise.

I get what you are saying. We all would like to see future Nolan entries, but he sees this as his last film. The conclusion.

Wouldn't you rather let him do something epic and final. A batman story that we've never seen, rather than just another entry setting up the next director's story for a new villain?

Wether or not TDKReturns was your bag or not, you have to admit, its memorable because it did something wildly different, than just keep repeating the same formula over and over.

I'd rather Nolan go out with a bang. But maybe that's just me.

 

[Gianakin_]

I could see something like this going down just before the climax...

Bruce enters Wayne Manor. Finds Alfred, nearly dead on the floor (maybe shot or bludgened by the villain. Alfred warns Bruce that they know who he is.

Alfred: They're coming for you.

Bruce: Who?

Alfred: Everyone.

Alfred points to the tv. News reports showing split images of Batman and Bruce Wayne. Hard evidence proving they are one in the same.

Don't forget, Batman is a fugitive... t:

Cut to: outside of Wayne manor as SWAT and police break through the Wayne manor gate. News choppers hover above. Bruce Wayne is cornered.

Bruce has to escape into the cave, dons the outfit one final time. He breaks out but is pursued. He must deal with not only the villain, but Gotham as well.

So yes...I see him (if he dies) dying as Batman, sacrificing himself for Gotham. It's that action which somehow makes the city realize that they were chasing, not a murderer, but a hero. Making him a legend.

Going by what Nolan has established, the news will write of Bruce Wayne being a vigilante and that will be the end of it. Not what Bruce aimed for.

 

[raybia]

Knowing Nolan, it wouldn't surprise me if we find out at the end that Bruce has been locked up in Arklum since the night of his parents murder.

 

[Mr. Earle]

What if the Batman trilogy is what happened when Saito was in limbo, during which time he was Ras?

 

[BrazilianBatFan]

Here is the link to the article. I guess Batman survives TDRK.

http://http://blog.moviefone.com/2010/11/15/batman-live-action-tv-series/