The Dark Knight Rises Batman 3: Where does the story go from here?

[Lungrocket]

Hardly a good analogy. Comics are a monthly, sometimes even a bi-weekly thing.

So what your saying is, 6-12 months is an acceptable time to kill off a hero, but any longer and it can't be done? t:

Second, Superman's death was temporary.

How long did Superman's death carry on for? A year?

And Batman's death could be temporary too. He would rebooted with the next series of films.

Robin's death was voted by the readers, and even that's been reversed as he's back now as The Red Hood.

Right. A cheap way to kill off a hero! By voting for it! HAHAHA. Not because its right for the story, but because the fans DEMAND IT! Yes, perfectly acceptable.

Batman's paralysis, like Superman's death, was temporary. And you can count on Spidey's 'death' being a temporary thing, too.

And you might be able to count Batman's death in Nolan's film too. t:

Batman is not going to be killed at the end of Nolan's trilogy. That would make it permanent, and no iconic hero ever gets killed off permanently like that. Be a terrible way to end the trilogy.

So your saying it only counts when its on film? But its okay in comics?

 

[Lungrocket]

Here is the link to the article. I guess Batman survives TDRK.

http://http://blog.moviefone.com/2010/11/15/batman-live-action-tv-series/

Hmmm. Strange that the link doesn't work. But lets play and say this is going to happen. A tv show following the events of TDKR.

Who's to say its not like Gotham Central, where Batman isn't in it.

 

[BrazilianBatFan]

I think it will work now.

http://blog.moviefone.com/2010/11/15/batman-live-action-tv-series/

 

[The Joker]

So what your saying is, 6-12 months is an acceptable time to kill off a hero, but any longer and it can't be done? t:

Pretty much, yeah. Comic books are a continual thing, coming out monthly, or weekly, and can cover a lot more ground than two hour movies that come out every 3-4 years.

How long did Superman's death carry on for? A year?

And Batman's death could be temporary too. He would rebooted with the next series of films.

You're not getting it. Ending the Nolan trilogy with Batman dying basically means he's dead for good. A rebooted Batman is not the same character. That's why it's a reboot.

Ending the trilogy on Batman's death would be a horrible ending. No hero as iconic as Batman died like that permanently.

Right. A cheap way to kill off a hero! By voting for it! HAHAHA. Not because its right for the story, but because the fans DEMAND IT! Yes, perfectly acceptable.

Yes, that's right. The fans did demand it. Nobody is asking for Batman to die in the movies except you.

And you might be able to count Batman's death in Nolan's film too.

Unless Nolan does another sequel after TDKR, you can't.

So your saying it only counts when its on film? But its okay in comics?

See now you're getting it. You can finally see the difference between comic book and movie medium.

Well done. You get a gold star

 

[Bat-Mite]

Hmmm. Strange that the link doesn't work. But lets play and say this is going to happen. A tv show following the events of TDKR.

Who's to say its not like Gotham Central, where Batman isn't in it.

He did have a couple of parts in that. This one was my favorite. I hope it pops up in TDK, copied directly from the panels. It's perfect. As a matter of fact, I hope it's the movie's ending.

Spoiler

 

[Mr. Earle]

Talking to Batman like that? That man has balls!

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

I'll bet two bits that TDKR ends with a hopeful but resolute voice over by Bale about how the war on crime never ends, so he'll never stop fighting.

"All I can hope for is a better tomorrow," or something to that effect.

...As the sun rises on Gotham, natch.

 

[Fenrir]

The more I think about what Nolan has said, the more plausible it seems that Batman will indeed 'die' at the end of TDKR. And there are more than a handful of ways in which Batman orchestrating his death will be his greatest victory and moment of triumph.

One such scenario I can think of is that in TDKR, the truth about what happened in the climax of TDK - about Dent, about Batman taking the fall for Dent's crimes, will somehow be revealed to the citizens of Gotham. People will realize that the man they have been hunting is the one who has been their one true hero all along. If Hugo Strange is in the film, he can be the instrument that discovers and publicly exposes the true identity of Batman before the final act.

In Begins, Bruce said that people need dramatic examples to shake them out of apathy, and he would be Batman for as long as it took to inspire good people into taking up the fight against evil. Although Batman's true identity has been exposed following which he can never be as effective again, Bruce decides that this symbol he created still has one last part to play. In the climactic battle, Batman gets cornered, and chooses to sacrifice himself for the greater good. Ultimately, he perishes, perhaps in a massive explosion, and Gordon even finds his 'body' to confirm his death. And during the final montage, as the citizens mourn their greatest hero and vow to honor his memory and stand against crime and corruption, we hear Bruce's voiceover and a series of shots of him orchestrating the 'death of Batman' and how making a martyr out of Batman will immortalize this symbol of hope that he created, thereby cementing the legend of Bruce Wayne - the greatest son of Gotham who, in the cover of night, made the greatest sacrifices for the city and more than lived up to the philanthropic legacy of his revered parents, as well as its greatest hero - the Batman, and fulfilling the very purpose for which he created it to begin with. This will also bring the story full circle by completing the themes that were established way back in Batman Begins.

Or something like that.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I liked that story better when it was called All-Star Jesus of Nazareth.

 

[Fenrir]

I liked that story better when it was called All-Star Jesus of Nazareth.

Except Bruce Wayne doesn't really die. It's just that his work has now finished and he has achieved what he set out to accomplish way back in the first film.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Just like Jesus! t:

 

[Fenrir]

I don't believe in Jesus.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I don't believe in Jesus.

It doesnt matter. Its still pretty cliche, not to mention exactly like TDK Returns.

 

[Fenrir]

It doesnt matter. Its still pretty cliche, not to mention exactly like TDK Returns.

So? Last I heard, The Dark Knight Returns was a Batman story. And as far as I recall, both Batman Begins and TDK were heavily based on based stories such as Year One, The Long Halloween, The Killing Joke etc. Besides, if that is cliche, how is the perpetual and never-ending crusade against crime, which is, well, common to almost every single comic book superhero not cliche?

 

[Lungrocket]

Pretty much, yeah. Comic books are a continual thing, coming out monthly, or weekly, and can cover a lot more ground than two hour movies that come out every 3-4 years.

That makes no sense whatsoever. Batman wasn't on screen for 7 years prior to Batman Begins. He can take a break and come back fresh again.

I think DC and WB would more more ashamed they allowed Schumacher to destroy the quality of Batman more so than the character dying on screen in a dramatic and impactful way.

You're not getting it. Ending the Nolan trilogy with Batman dying basically means he's dead for good. A rebooted Batman is not the same character. That's why it's a reboot.

No. You're not getting it. It's not going to be the same Batman anyway, because they will have a completely different cast, so it doesn't matter.

And who says he's dead for good. Perhaps in Nolan's movies, but not in the reboot following Nolan's films, which they will do regardless.

Ending the trilogy on Batman's death would be a horrible ending.

Or a great one. And I'd be willing to bet that if Nolan does kill Batman, it would be to serve a purpose, not because its for shock value.

No hero as iconic as Batman died like that permanently.

It's not permanent. He's a fictional character. t: He lives on in comics, future films, tv and video games.

Yes, that's right. The fans did demand it. Nobody is asking for Batman to die in the movies except you.

I'm not asking for him to die. I am predicted something FINITE will happen based on Nolan's very telling comments.

I want Nolan to tell me an exciting 3rd chapter in his trilogy that doesn't use the basic formula of say all the Burton and Schumacher formulas.
Something original. If that includes his death, so beat it. He would be a symbol. Everlasting. t:

Unless Nolan does another sequel after TDKR, you can't.

But Nolan isn't doing another one. He's finishing his story. That's it.

See now you're getting it. You can finally see the difference between comic book and movie medium.

The only thing I see is that you have a very narrow view of how you think it works from medium to medium. "The rule book states, you can kill off a character for a year, but any longer than that and you can't resesitate the character. It's permanent." HAHAHA! Kills me. No wonder you go by Joker.

Well done. You get a gold star

Save the gold star for Nolan when he puts the stake in Batman. Nolan isn't going to be repeating formula and does something that ends Bruce's journey as Batman. Death. Faking his death. Retirement. Something along those lines.

 

[Lungrocket]

So? Last I heard, The Dark Knight Returns was a Batman story. And as far as I recall, both Batman Begins and TDK were heavily based on based stories such as Year One, The Long Halloween, The Killing Joke etc. Besides, if that is cliche, how is the perpetual and never-ending crusade against crime, which is, well, common to almost every single comic book superhero not cliche?

Precisely.

 

[Lungrocket]

I'll bet two bits that TDKR ends with a hopeful but resolute voice over by Bale about how the war on crime never ends, so he'll never stop fighting.

"All I can hope for is a better tomorrow," or something to that effect.

...As the sun rises on Gotham, natch.

I'll take that wager. I bet you it doesn't.

 

[Mr. Earle]

So? Last I heard, The Dark Knight Returns was a Batman story. And as far as I recall, both Batman Begins and TDK were heavily based on based stories such as Year One, The Long Halloween, The Killing Joke etc. Besides, if that is cliche, how is the perpetual and never-ending crusade against crime, which is, well, common to almost every single comic book superhero not cliche?

Because its not really an ending, more like "we showed you his beginning and he's off to new adventures" rather than tying it up in a huge cliche like dying to inspire people.


Lungrocket why would it matter if someone continues after Nolan and ruins the franchise? It wouldnt affect Nolan's movies. Hell he could even ruin it himself in TDKR.

 

[Lungrocket]

I think it will work now.

http://blog.moviefone.com/2010/11/15/batman-live-action-tv-series/

Actually, the more i think about it, if the show is about Batman, I suspect more so that he IS going to die in Nolan's films.

WB putting a show together to quickly follow the film means they might be nervous about Nolan's story. I mean, why even do the show. Why not move straight to the next Batman film by a new director? Hmmm... wonder why that is?

It's actually a smart way to bridge the gap between reboots. This will help crying fanboys that can't comprehend or handle Batman dying. Plus it still keep Batman in the public conscienceness. See, Joker? Ressurrected shortly after. No longer permanent. t:

There is no other reason than to put a tv show into development to follow the film unless they know they will have to let the films rest for a while.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

I'll take that wager. I bet you it doesn't.

You better be online the day that TDKR comes out.

IT SHALL BE GLORIOUS!

 

[Fenrir]

Because its not really an ending, more like "we showed you his beginning and he's off to new adventures" rather than tying it up in a huge cliche like dying to inspire people.

And how is that not cliche? The whole hero riding off into the sunset angle has been abused even more than that of the self-sacrificing savior. Besides, Batman orchestrating his own death is something lifted straight out of arguably the most influential Batman story ever written, so it's not like Nolan will be ripping off from The Passion of The Christ or Braveheart. There are more than enough massive thematic differences between Batman and all these other properties for Nolan to distinguish such an ending. If cliches bother you so much, wanna know what else is a huge cliche? Men in tights fighting crime. So why bother watching Batman at all?

 

[HolyPurpleSocks]

Lungrocket needs to stop using the word 'Finite'. I'm all finite'd out from the last 12 pages.

 

[The ?ion]

No hero as iconic as Batman died like that permanently.

Not true. Son-Goku stays dead at the end of Dragon Ball. And no, Dragon Ball GT does not count. It is not canon. Yes he comes back from the afterlife to help save the world one more time, but he is still dead and does not stay on earth (though he makes infrequent visits).

Barry Allen died, in an epic and fitting fashion, at the end of Crisis on Infinite Earths. Only recently (2008) has Barry Allen come back from the dead, meaning that he stayed dead for twenty-three real world years.

Killing off heroes and keeping them dead, is not some fantastic idea. Even though the meme is that comic death is not permanent and brief, some people rest in their graves for decades until some writer gets the wild itch to bring them back from the dead.

There is no real logical reason why Batman can't die at the end of Nolan's trilogy. It would probably earn the film an academy award nomination for actually taking itself seriously. Again, I am not saying that Batman's death is likely, just a possibility. And it isn't so wild or stupid. One Medgar Evars once astutely noted that, "you can kill a man, but you can't kill his idea." The idea of Batman is more powerful than the lone figure himself. He could be an inspiration to an entire city, even in death. Just a thought...

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

Not true. Son-Goku stays dead at the end of Dragon Ball. And no, Dragon Ball GT does not count. It is not canon. Yes he comes back from the afterlife to help save the world one more time, but he is still dead and does not stay on earth (though he makes infrequent visits).

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?ion, I served with Batman. I knew Batman. Batman was a friend of mine. ?ion, Goku is no Batman.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

What in the blazes? My passion cannot be contained in one post!