BvS Ben Affleck IS Batman - - Part 26

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I think we'll see it again relatively soon. It's moved in cycles throughout the decades. When TDKT came out people loved it, but they've seen it and they want something new. The same reaction will follow the Snyder/Affleckverse.
It will have its place on a smaller scale, if only because it is so ingrained in pop culture as part of Batman's history. Something like Lego Batman is likely to be a hit with younger audiences.

But I doubt the cinematic take is going to approach the campiness levels we endured in the Adam West era. Even something as well done as Brave & The Bold is unlikely to survive in a modern setting.
 
While it is a fair point, "problem" with Batman is that, while being a grounded character in a matter of seeing him getting hurt and bleeding almost every night when he goes on his "patrol" and having certain limitations due to the fact that he is indeed just a human, he's also supposed to be an extraordinary character, a person who trained himself into becoming the best a human can be, in both mind and body.

And that's where Nolan's version falls short in my opinion. I strongly disagree with the notion "that everyone can be Batman", it's not just the training and will to do something, but also an inner strength that not every person posses nor can everyone achieve via meditation and martial arts. In a matter of speaking, it's actually unrealistic for someone who spends years devoting himself to both spiritual and physical training, to fight and act the way Nolan's Batman did. Though, it must be noticed that this version wasn't really trained in mind as much as in body.

For this reason, Batman can be a tough character to be done right. It has to be smartly thought-out to have him fall in that middle ground between batgod and a grounded character. He has to have usual human weaknesses, but also to be extraordinary enough to be able to ignore some of them.

I don't think Nolan got it wrong, and I don't think the line about "Anybody can be Batman" should be taken that literally. It's quite clear throughout the trilogy that the message is that the symbol of Batman existing is far more important than the individual wearing the cowl. It wasn't "anybody", the same way the copycats in TDK weren't "Batman".

But I definitely agree with your last paragraph. It's a tough thing to do right, and I think the GA has been provided with a good grounded version (Nolan), a weird, fantastic, horrible take (Schumacher) and a comically dark take (Burton). It's time for something different, and I think Snyder will deliver.
 
It will have its place on a smaller scale, if only because it is so ingrained in pop culture as part of Batman's history. Something like Lego Batman is likely to be a hit with younger audiences.

But I doubt the cinematic take is going to approach the campiness levels we endured in the Adam West era. Even something as well done as Brave & The Bold is unlikely to survive in a modern setting.

Yeah, that's probably true. That version will stay alive but only in certain media, and probably not for "mass consumption" the way movies are intended.
 
I don't think Nolan got it wrong, and I don't think the line about "Anybody can be Batman" should be taken that literally. It's quite clear throughout the trilogy that the message is that the symbol of Batman existing is far more important than the individual wearing the cowl. It wasn't "anybody", the same way the copycats in TDK weren't "Batman".

You are right, of course, it is mainly referring to the batman as a symbol in the society and Bruce Wayne's intention to use that symbol to inspire people.

I am saying "mainly" though, because I believe it was also used in a more literal sense once or twice in the trilogy (in TDKR I believe). I might be wrong though, it's been a while since I saw the movies, but I definitely recall getting that impression in some scene(s), despite being familiar with the less literal meaning of that sentence from "Batman Begins".

But I definitely agree with your last paragraph. It's a tough thing to do right, and I think the GA has been provided with a good grounded version (Nolan), a weird, fantastic, horrible take (Schumacher) and a comically dark take (Burton). It's time for something different, and I think Snyder will deliver.

I surely hope so.

He definitely has a good starting point for grounded Batman in Nolan's trilogy, hopefully he can build on top of that without going too much into the fantasy.
 
I don't think Nolan got it wrong, and I don't think the line about "Anybody can be Batman" should be taken that literally. It's quite clear throughout the trilogy that the message is that the symbol of Batman existing is far more important than the individual wearing the cowl. It wasn't "anybody", the same way the copycats in TDK weren't "Batman".

But I definitely agree with your last paragraph. It's a tough thing to do right, and I think the GA has been provided with a good grounded version (Nolan), a weird, fantastic, horrible take (Schumacher) and a comically dark take (Burton). It's time for something different, and I think Snyder will deliver.

Respect
 
@Wolf, Batman is already going to be way into fantasy because he is fighting an alien with god like powers. I don't mean unserious fantasy but fantasy none the less. Did I forget to mention the Super powered Amazon?
 
@Wolf, Batman is already going to be way into fantasy because he is fighting an alien with god like powers. I don't mean unserious fantasy but fantasy none the less. Did I forget to mention the Super powered Amazon?

Isn't WW Zeus' daughter in this incarnation? Batgod teaming with a god and goddess is triple fantastical.
 
@Wolf, Batman is already going to be way into fantasy because he is fighting an alien with god like powers. I don't mean unserious fantasy but fantasy none the less. Did I forget to mention the Super powered Amazon?

You misunderstood me, of course that this world is fantastic and that character of Batman will have to be adjusted in accordance to that (he'll need to be more intelligent, more skillful, etc.) and I for one can't wait to see that version of Batman especially after "washed out" version from TDKT.

But, by "fantasy" I was referring to making Batman illogically powered, skilled, able to stand against everyone and also able to shrug off almost everything that's thrown at him... basically a batgod. While the world is fantastic, he's still human among these superpowered beings and that definitely needs to be depicted. Like in the comics, he needs to get hurt, sometimes even badly and not be able to go toe to toe with some of the more powerful enemies.

Snyder should, I find, make him a master strategist and tactician. That way he'd bring something very valuable to the Justice League and it would make up for his physical limitations due to being a human among more powerful beings.
 
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Okay I get what you are saying and I definitely don't want Batman's power levels to be too crazy.
 
I just want him to be the peak human.
I want to see some crazy jumps, I want to see him running on a tight rope, I want to see him lifting heavy objects. I just want.....BATMAN
 
I just want him to be the peak human.
I want to see some crazy jumps, I want to see him running on a tight rope, I want to see him lifting heavy objects. I just want.....BATMAN

Oh, this definitely! :up:
 
I just want him to be the peak human.
I want to see some crazy jumps, I want to see him running on a tight rope, I want to see him lifting heavy objects. I just want.....BATMAN
Batfleck should be the best Batman on screen in terms of competence. The most experienced. Snyder will deliver with the action I'm sure.
 
Batfleck should be the best Batman on screen in terms of competence. The most experienced. Snyder will deliver with the action I'm sure.

I agree. I think, based on general interviews with Zack, that he's clearly aware and keen on what has come before and what fans want because he is a fan.

Burton, Schumacher and Nolan made Batman films without having a genuine personal fandom going in; at least that's what I've gthered from interviews they've given.

Snyder, on the other hand, is going into the movie as a fan and the fact that he's such a visually talented director should make this Batman, for better or for worse, stand far apart from the earlier iterations. I can't wait!

EDIT: For the good of the thread, I do think Affleck brings something to the table but I'm not as confident in him playing Batman as I am in Snyder directing Batman.
 
Bale's Batman wasn't in the same universe that Snyder has created. Nolan said he wanted his Batman Universe to stand alone, so there wouldn't be any reason to have Bale reprise the role in a different film series. I'm all for another actor taking it on.
 
Bale is human, it's only natural that he would lament not being the character anymore. Just because he thought he was over it doesn't mean that he really was.

BaleBat would have to be retconed to be way smarter and tougher to go up against the Man of Steel Superman so yeah BaleBat just doesn't fit in this Universe.
 
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I just want him to be the peak human.
I want to see some crazy jumps, I want to see him running on a tight rope, I want to see him lifting heavy objects. I just want.....BATMAN
I doubt he will be super quick or doing crazy jumps. He's in his mid 40s, tired and weary. He'll be a better fighter, more intellectual even, but let's not get too carried away. He's old Batman.
 
I'm a Bale fan, but it is kind of annoying for him to NOW say that he would have considered doing another Batman film... after knowing he was the one continually turning it down. I enjoyed the Nolan/Bale era but ready to see what Affleck can do.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/11/24/bale-admits-envy-of-affleck-wanted-to-be-batman-again
Why is it annoying? It's possible that he turned them down, possible that it was never offered to him directly. Maybe Nolan turned it down and that was it. Also, i dont think his Batman fits in this universe nor do i believe Bale would have wanted to return for this whole Batman vs Superman/Justice League universe. But i think he's speaking in general about wanting to play Batman more than just three. Im sure if Nolan had a good story in mind with Snyder, Christian would hop on board but i dont think the Superman stuff was their idea of Batman. Maybe if Nolan had a 4th script in their strict Nolanverse, then yes.

What's so good about his quote is that he just stared into nothing for a half an hour after hearing the disappointing news lmao. That's SO Bruce Wayne.
 
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I doubt he will be super quick or doing crazy jumps. He's in his mid 40s, tired and weary. He'll be a better fighter, more intellectual even, but let's not get too carried away. He's old Batman.

True, but we don't know what level Snyder imagine's Batman is at. We know that Snyder wanted to place Superman in "the real world" in MoS, but he wouldn't make Batman Nolan-level realistic, right? He's got to have some added strength and agility I'm sure...I'm hoping at least.
 
I find it funny that Bale felt 'jealous' of Affleck being Batman. :hehe: You're forever Batman too Bale.
 
I find it funny that Bale felt 'jealous' of Affleck being Batman. :hehe: You're forever Batman too Bale.

Agreed.

But please refrain from using "Batman" and "forever" in the same sentence in the future. I haven't fully recovered from that trauma yet.
 
Agreed.

But please refrain from using "Batman" and "forever" in the same sentence in the future. I haven't fully recovered from that trauma yet.
Batman Forever is a great movie. The Bruce/Dick stuff was awesome. And if Two Face was a bit more serious and more like the comics, the movie would be perfect.

i love Schumachers Batman movies
 
Playing Batman will always be a big part of Bale's life. Can't fault a guy for reflecting on the role now that it's a bit behind him.

It's kind of like an athlete's record being broken. They can be happy for the one who broke it but also hope deep down that their own record was still standing.
 
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