BvS Ben Affleck IS Batman - - - - - - - - - - - Part 38

[I Am The Knight]

Yeah, probably flying back and forth.

 

[auditor]

I don't know how many of you remember this. I used to have a screen name A&W. I was on here saying Ben Afleck should be Batman like a week before it was announced that he would be Batman. It was literally like a week after I came on here saying it, that they announced it.

I don't have any connects or anything like that. I just really thought he'd make a good Batman.

And I was right. He does make a good Batman. I did not like the movie though. I hated this movie.

 

[JOE]

I don't know how many of you remember this. I used to have a screen name A&W. I was on here saying Ben Afleck should be Batman like a week before it was announced that he would be Batman. It was literally like a week after I came on here saying it, that they announced it.

I don't have any connects or anything like that. I just really thought he'd make a good Batman.

And I was right. He does make a good Batman. I did not like the movie though. I hated this movie.

Were you banned? Because if so it'll probably happen again. If you can't remember your password I'm sure a MOD can help you out too.

 

[shauner111]

The kill rule is most important to me when discussions about the Joker arise. There's no explanation why he cam blow up Lex's thugs but not put a bullet through Leto's skull. That argument alone is why I would prefer if he didn't kill. Snyder messed that up, IMO. What's done is done though, I'm not sure how they're going to justify to the GA Batfleck sparing his life one day in a future solo film or in the Suicide Squad. We shall see I guess...

It's possible that Joker has been in Arkham for years. Throughout the entire period where Bats was branding and killing. Maybe he gets out of Arkham after Batman v Superman, during the Suicide Squad movie.

 

[stargazer]

Batfleck only kills when there is no other option for the most part. I'm totally fine with that. I loved this more brutal, vicious version of the character. Batman at the end of his rope. Simply amazing.

Same with Superman.

 

[Black Adam]

Batfleck only kills when there is no other option for the most part. I'm totally fine with that. I loved this more brutal, vicious version of the character. Batman at the end of his rope. Simply amazing.

Same with Superman.

That's not true. Batfleck had options - he didn't have to kill anyone. He chose to kill.

 

[lukebrodyg]

Batfleck only kills when there is no other option for the most part. I'm totally fine with that. I loved this more brutal, vicious version of the character. Batman at the end of his rope. Simply amazing.

Same with Superman.

I agree. I also think the aspect at the end where he shows mercy to Lex is underrated. Superman changed him for the better.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Batfleck only kills when there is no other option for the most part. I'm totally fine with that. I loved this more brutal, vicious version of the character. Batman at the end of his rope. Simply amazing.

Same with Superman.

Disagreed. All his kills unnecessary except with guy who had flamethrower on Martha Kent. lol he had options too when he brand criminals for death when they go to jail either.

Terrible version of Batman.

 

[metaphysician]

The no kill rule shouldn't count when it comes to aliens/monsters/creatures.

Ehhh. . . I am *really* iffy on that as a general idea. Far too often it turns into "I can totally kill this obviously sentient android, because its not human." Batman shouldn't kill any intelligent being, unless the story does a damn good job justifying why it "shouldn't count". "Is not human" isn't good enough, the same logic means its okay to kill Superman.

 

[stargazer]

That's not true. Batfleck had options - he didn't have to kill anyone. He chose to kill.

he had to save Ma Kent no matter what. those guys were for the kill, so he had to stop them. simple as that. no mercy with evil people.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ Except that's the Punisher, not Batman.

 

[stargazer]

I agree. I also think the aspect at the end where he shows mercy to Lex is underrated. Superman changed him for the better.

Agree completely. Superman lifted him into the light like in his dream at the start of the film. It was foreshadowing/metaphor for his story arc in the story.

 

[stargazer]

^ Except that's the Punisher, not Batman.

He has killed before. Besides,he didn't kill Lex. Maybe he wants to change a bit.

 

[shauner111]

he had to save Ma Kent no matter what. those guys were for the kill, so he had to stop them. simple as that. no mercy with evil people.

That's not Batman. He will kill to save a life, that's it. And yes, sometimes accidents do happen, but for the most part he left the Lois/Superman scene to go get Martha and the first thing he did was blow up a bunch of thugs on the way to the warehouse in his batwing. With a look of MEH and satisfaction on his face. Now, IN the warehouse was a different story. He kills KGBeast to save Martha, and im good with that.

He could change, and it looks like he wants to after Superman died. But he's still weak mentally. He lost to the Joker. Im sure Joker was the one who broke him years ago. Joker won, Batman became one of those nutjobs, and even if he goes back to his traditional ways, it doesn't erase the fact that he let himself go down that path. Killing criminals left and right doesn't make you strong, not killing them even though you want to, THAT makes you strong. How many criminals had children, and he just made them into orphans like himself or Dick Grayson? If Superman didn't yell out SAVE MARTHA, Bats would have ended his life. One different name, and that spear would have been in his heart two seconds later. And Zack did all of this because he thinks Frank Millers Batman killed and Nolans Batman killed. Nolans Batman didn't kill with intention, same with Miller's. Punisher takes the easy way out not Batman. He doesn't kill thugs just because it's easier on his job. He cares about human life and believes in JUSTICE. Yes, Bruce may believe in it again and im good with that arc. But it still bugs me that gave in to the Joker.

Your excuse is a poor one. "No mercy for evil people". Sooo batman never encountered thugs shooting at him before? He doesn't just kill them off cuz they're in his way.

Then there's the branding. I love that scene. But then you learn that he's done it twice already, and he knows it's a death sentence in prison so he keeps doing it. Basically Batman is all "i won't kill you in this room but those prisoners will in a few hours". It's a bit cowardly. Hey, i would have branded a child molester too if it meant death in prison, most of us would. But im not Batman. Batman is stronger than i am. Mentally and physically. Batfleck was only strong physically, and not very bright either. I hope it's just a phase he was going through.

 

[terry78]

Well, he'll be directing himself in the new one, so we'll see what's up.

 

[I Am The Knight]

BatGoddddd.

Hope we get a new ****e Catwoman.

 

[MrsKent26]

^ Except that's the Punisher, not Batman.

I agree. Batman's morals are a defining aspect of his character.

A couple folks were discussing this exact thing in another thread, so I'll just post my response from that:

I don't fault anyone for liking Snyder's batman. I like some aspects of him myself.

I disagree with the rest of this post though.

Batman's stance against killing is absolutely a core value. It has been for decades. It's function is by no means limited to "keeping baddies around."

If you consider who batman is (in many comics, not just a couple wayward ones), he was traumatized at a young age by a horrible act of violence, a seemingly faceless and random grime. Why, after years of intense training and honing of abilities, would he suddenly and casually decide that he's going to allow himself to become the very thing that ruined his life and led to The Batman in the first place? That doesn't make much sense to me and it weakens the character. He's not just a blunt instrument that creates havoc on innocent bystanders; he's very precise and knowledgeable. I'm all for a batman that lives on the edge, looks and sounds fierce and maybe gets a little too rough if it suits the narrative, but once he's fallen over that chasm, he has bankrupt his purpose.

He became the batman for two reasons 1) Revenge against wrongdoers and 2) save others from tragedies like the one that changed him forever. By killing, he doesn't accomplish either of those. The dead wrongdoer's struggle is over; they don't languish in prison or suffer with memories like Bruce did. It's an incomplete revenge. Also, by killing, he subjects some other family to the knowledge that their loved one has been murdered (sure that loved one was likely a criminal, but still).

I hope it's just a phase he was going through.

Me too. I hope it's just a product of a movie-specific characterization to allow the idea of batman attacking superman to come to fruition (and appear "in character") and things will be different in a solo.

Well, he'll be directing himself in the new one, so we'll see what's up.

Indeed. I look forward to it. There were sparks of greatness in this batman and it'll likely get better under a more competent director.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

BatGoddddd.

Hope we get a new ****e Catwoman.

Pardon?

 

[Andreth]

Actor Ben Affleck and actress Amy Adams speak onstage during CinemaCon 2016 on April 12, 2016 in Las Vegas, Nevada.

 

[TheSuperBrando]

I've been a fan for over 30 years and I've always thought the no killing rule was dumb. Luke Skywalker kills, Captain Picard kills, Iron Man kills, and so do all other heroes. Batman killed while saving innocents and he was 100% justified, just as Superman was 100% justified in MOS.

This is the absolute best incarnation of Batman we've seen, it puts the Nolan Batman to shame, and I'm incredibly excited for the solo movie.

 

[Dispatch Ninja]

Well, he'll be directing himself in the new one, so we'll see what's up.

I kind of hope they announce Snyder is directing it just to see everyone flip out.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

I kind of hope they announce Snyder is directing it just to see everyone flip out.

 

[Travesty]

I kind of hope they announce Snyder is directing it just to see everyone flip out.

 

[MrsKent26]

I kind of hope they announce Snyder is directing it just to see everyone flip out.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

That's not Batman. He will kill to save a life, that's it. And yes, sometimes accidents do happen, but for the most part he left the Lois/Superman scene to go get Martha and the first thing he did was blow up a bunch of thugs on the way to the warehouse in his batwing. With a look of MEH and satisfaction on his face. Now, IN the warehouse was a different story. He kills KGBeast to save Martha, and im good with that.

He could change, and it looks like he wants to after Superman died. But he's still weak mentally. He lost to the Joker. Im sure Joker was the one who broke him years ago. Joker won, Batman became one of those nutjobs, and even if he goes back to his traditional ways, it doesn't erase the fact that he let himself go down that path. Killing criminals left and right doesn't make you strong, not killing them even though you want to, THAT makes you strong. How many criminals had children, and he just made them into orphans like himself or Dick Grayson? If Superman didn't yell out SAVE MARTHA, Bats would have ended his life. One different name, and that spear would have been in his heart two seconds later. And Zack did all of this because he thinks Frank Millers Batman killed and Nolans Batman killed. Nolans Batman didn't kill with intention, same with Miller's. Punisher takes the easy way out not Batman. He doesn't kill thugs just because it's easier on his job. He cares about human life and believes in JUSTICE. Yes, Bruce may believe in it again and im good with that arc. But it still bugs me that gave in to the Joker.

Your excuse is a poor one. "No mercy for evil people". Sooo batman never encountered thugs shooting at him before? He doesn't just kill them off cuz they're in his way.

Then there's the branding. I love that scene. But then you learn that he's done it twice already, and he knows it's a death sentence in prison so he keeps doing it. Basically Batman is all "i won't kill you in this room but those prisoners will in a few hours". It's a bit cowardly. Hey, i would have branded a child molester too if it meant death in prison, most of us would. But im not Batman. Batman is stronger than i am. Mentally and physically. Batfleck was only strong physically, and not very bright either. I hope it's just a phase he was going through.

^ Except that's the Punisher, not Batman.

I agree. Batman's morals are a defining aspect of his character.

Agreed on all these posts.

I kind of hope they announce Snyder is directing it just to see everyone flip out.

lol just what Dccu needs is more hate.

BatGoddddd.

Hope we get a new ****e Catwoman.

They probably never do ****e version because of kids. They need more kids to watch because of box office disappointments of last two movies.