Chapter 10: "Truth and Consequences" discussion thread 11/26

[Golgo-13]

Am I the only one who wouldn't mind if they canceled this show due to the writer's strike?

It amazes me how a great show one season could turn into a pile of shyt the next season.

I'd much rather we were left hanging, than for them to rush the season due to the writers strike. Everything feels so rushed.

 

[Sentinel X]

I don't know what everyone is talking about, I for one thought that finally the twins got interesting for once, imo; I thought their storyline and Claire's were the best this episode.

Personally Im getting tired of Peter, cause he is a complete idiot. Really, its obvious adam is bad and Milo's acting isn't helping either, he like a clone of Keanu Reeves.
Monica is a really cool charecter and the sublot with her and Micah is really interesting but just not now...they should have done this during the beginning of the season; for now its kind of unnecessary and shouldve been done already.
Also its really obvious that Nikki is going to die, she could've been a really cool charecter but she never killed anyone this season, NOT ONE

 

[Havok83]

I actually fell asleep early last night so I missed the show but thank god I was able to download the episode. Great episode

Maya is a dumbass. I cant beleive she is so trusting of Sylar, even over her own brother. She annoys me.

I really wanted to see Claire kick Elle's azz. I was hoping for a phsyical showdown between the 2 blondes

Hiro needs to learn to speak English. Im sick of reading the subtitles

Go Micah! Who would have thought he'd get violent like that. I was ready for him to whip his cousin's butt.

 

[chamber-music]

Monica- Why didn't she bother learning some useful ways to defender self silly cow. Micah is probabley gonna get nikki to help. I hope she rips some limbs off, about time she did something useful.

Mohinder- His far to trusting. We saw that last seson with sylar. Wasn't Matt supposed to be protecting Molly? Where did he go? really want Noah to kick Mohinders ass again. I could watch a whole episode of nothing but Noah Benett kicking ass and taking names.

Mya- Finally one Wonder Twin down one more to go. Wow Sylar killed someone without hitting them in the head for a
change.

Peter- Peter is an idiot. I can understand him not listening to victoria pratt but Hiro someone who he knows is a good guy, come on. How many people is it gonna take for him to believe Adams evil.
So if we take Adams head Highlander style no more immortality?

 

[Sawyer]

^Peter just wants to stop the virus, he does'nt have time for Hiro's s***.

 

[Golgo-13]

I'm assuming Monica's muscle memory power is temporary, cause she learnt martial arts before, and didn't put it into use last night. Maybe she can only utilize what she has learnt for a limited amount of time...

 

[chamber-music]

^Peter just wants to stop the virus, he does'nt have time for Hiro's s***.

yeah but if two people are saying your new buddy is a murdering bad guywho wants to let out the virus why would not listen?

 

[DarkSuperman]

I'm assuming Monica's muscle memory power is temporary, cause she learnt martial arts before, and didn't put it into use last night. Maybe she can only utilize what she has learnt for a limited amount of time...

That would be super dumb. She totally should have had Jet Li powers last night. What has she been doing since Bob gave her that know-it-All Ipod?! the first thing she should have learned was butt kicking 101.

Secondly, I really wanna know what the hell Hiro thinks he's going to do against Omni-Man/Peter Petrelli. Dude has like 10 different ways he could kill Hiro and none of them pleasant.

 

[kane9321]

damn maya you dummy

claire's gonna do something dumb

Mohinder -jeez us christ

Wonder if monica's "ipod of power" had some kinda of self defense clip in it, cause uh she surely got her arse tapped

Couldnt just hiro explain to peter on whats going on..instead of going all "samurai"

 

[Mysterio]

I'm assuming Monica's muscle memory power is temporary, cause she learnt martial arts before, and didn't put it into use last night. Maybe she can only utilize what she has learnt for a limited amount of time...

i'd say it's a little different when you have a couple of guns pointed at you while you're in a compromising, defenseless position.

 

[Matt]

Spoiler

If Nikki dies because of Micah and Monica's actions, does anyone else think her death will be just as pointless as D.L.'s? I'm not particularly fond of the character, but to cure her of the virus then kill her in some stupid subplot about stolen comic books that is in no way related to the main plot just seems dumb

 

[Matt]

Also, how does Adam know he will die if shot in the head? I mean, has he tested the theory? Was there a third healer at some point?

 

[Archangel]

It's more about D.L.'s medal than the comics, but yeah I agree with you.

 

[Sarracenia]

I sat there for the entire episode disappointed. Who ever said they wished we had been left hanging instead of this cluster ***** rush job is on the right track.

Since the show ended season one I have been so excited to learn about the original 12 and I feel we've been let down. We only know three of their powers with a hint at two more (Angela and Kaito) and we still have yet to learn how they got together, why, and what they've done since forming.

As for Ch 10 : Victoria was played by one of my fave actresses of all time, Joanna Cassidy (Check her out in six feet under as Brenda's psychiatrist mother who is more mental than her clients). Why oh WHY was she just a bitter shotgun toting woman with a horrible red dye job? Where was her power? WHAT was her power?

Why was the acting so crappy? I felt like most of them were reading their lines off of cue cards.

I'm in awe that we've had 10 full episodes of Maya doing nothing but crying. And what was up with that stupid goofy cult worshipper expression she wore on her face the entire time of Chp 10?

Is anyone else a bit tired of Peter? I like his character just fine, I'm just sick of it being in the limelight constantly.

I really liked Elle in this episode. I'm hoping she sticks around and she get's "fleshed out" a bit more. She makes a great antagonist but I think she'd make an even better bad girl Hero. The slushy part was great!

It's nice to see Claire stand up and "fight" back a bit. With her power I'd walk around like my ***** didn't stink and dare anyone to mess with me or mine.

Niki....Niki Niki Niki....I don't know why people dislike you. I happen to like you just fine. I am tired of the split personality thing but the super strength is a nice addition to the ensemble! Too bad I think you're going to bite it next chapter.

Lastly: Why haven't you take a day or two Monica and watched all of that damn IPOD or turned on a few Jackie Chan movies? You have god potential like Peter, use it and maybe you won't get taken down by some stupid bone thugs in harmony.

As much as I was disappointed in this chapter, I'm still looking forward to next weeks!

 

[Raiden]

I think this MSN TV blog is pretty accurate with its critique of episode 10:

Stupidity Abounds on 'Heroes'

Wow. It was amazing to see "Heroes" go from one of its best episodes ever to one of its worst. It's like the writing team is the literay equivalent of Bears quarterback Rex Grossman. One day, they're brilliant, and the next, it's nothing but fumbles and interceptions. Pretty much everything that happened required one or more people to be phenomenally stupid, inconsistent or otherwise unbelievable.

Adam and Peter team up. Peter's trying to stop the Shanti virus, while Adam's secretly trying to spread it. They get a lead on one of the Company's former geneticists, Victoria Pratt. She falsely tells Peter that the virus is in New Mexico. Because she figures that he might be working with Adam. So knowing that Adam's a regenerator, she shoots him in the body. Sure, she might have missed with a head shot attempt, but even so, she's got a gun for a second shot and he doesn't. Then she wastes time monologuing about how only a head shot would kill him. Yeah, that makes sense. Later, she points out to Peter that Adam's trying to spread the virus. Adam says, no, it's the Company that's trying to do it. However could Peter possibly tell the truth? If only he could read minds...oh wait, he can. Not that he needed to when Adam guns her down on a pretty thin pretext. And then spitefully throws down a picture of her marked with blood. Too bad Peter's clued out for all this.

In Hiro's thread, he flashes back to the 1970s and gets to see the events that led Adam to be locked up. It turns out the Company had a super-lethal version of the Shanti virus way back then that Adam was trying to release. His motive: apparently to cull humanity down to a very small pool and start again. I have to say I'm disappointed because I was hoping that he wasn't just a straight-up black hat. How very boring. And how very nonsensical. And how very unoriginal. It's a motive taken from Ra's Al-Ghul from Batman infamy. All he needs to do is start referring to Hiro as "Detective" and have a buff guy named Ubu follow him around.

As an aside, if somebody had a virus capable of wiping out 99 percent of the population, why would they keep that sample around? Worse, when they learn that someone crazy and dangerous who got locked up making a play to release the virus suddenly has escaped, you would think that would be incentive to destroy it. But noooooo.

So Hiro goes to the place where the virus is being kept, good ol' Primatech Paper in Odessa, and so does Hiro and Adam. While everything is frozen around them, Hiro tells Peter that Adam killed Hiro's father and he must pay for that. Um, Hiro, you might have wanted to mention that you went back in time and saw that Adam tried to release the Shanti virus and you believe that he's trying to do that again. In the journalism business, we'd call that "burying the lead."

But instead of talking things over and comparing notes, they decide they have to fight. So Hiro does the same move he did with Sylar: charging him from 50 feet away. That seems somehow ineffective against someone who can fire lightning bolts, use telekinesis, turn invisible. If only Hiro could, I don't know...close the distance between him and his target somehow. Oh wait, he can too. I admit that the show is sort of in a catch-22 situation when it comes to borrowing ideas from comics, but I'd feel better if they stuck to ones that tended to be somewhat plausible, like Hiro deciding to do teleport-based attack.


So we also get a return of Monica and Micah and an odd storyline. Micah has a bunch of comics with him that are worth money, some, he says worth as much as $600. Given the financial status of the Sanders family last season (dad an ex-con on the run and mom forced to strip on the Internet to make ends meet) it seems doubtful that they'd have had vintage comics lying around. I think it's safe to say that no comic that Micah would have been able to buy for cover price during his lifetime would have shot up so highly in value. Putting that aside, annoying Cousin Damon gets it in his head that he's going to sell them out from underneath Micah. And then Damon gets comic-jacked. Because I'm sure there's a huge market for hot comics. Oh, and Damon apparently has no idea who he was going to sell these comics too. What's worse is that Micah has been keeping his dad's firefighting medal in with his comics for some reason. Don't worry, though. Because Monica knows who stole the comics. Um, really? How, if Damon didn't know? And why not tell the police? Does it make sense that she would take care of things herself when she balked about telling the police about who held up her fast-food place a few weeks prior? Especially since these crooks actually know a member of her family that they could retailiate against. Monica and Micah team up and Micah realizes Monica's St. Joan. She sneaks into the place and fairly quickly locates the comic and the medal. But then the gang of thugs comes back. For whatever reason, they are talking about committing an arson for hire. Because this is a multitalented gang of thugs that can comic-jack AND burn buildings down. And for whatever reason, Monica doesn't high-tail it out of there the way she came with the recovered goods as soon as she hears them coming. Instead, she tries to hide by hanging from the ceiling. Only she drops something, and reacts too slowly. The thugs pull out their guns and take her away. Good thing she didn't put up a fight or anything.

We have movement on the Maya/Alejandro/Sylar triangle. Sylar takes his young apprentice under his wing and shows her that she can control her disease-spreading ability by provoking her into making her sick. Then he convinces Maya into thinking she no longer needs her brother. I don't know how we're supposed to buy that this girl is going to distance herself from Alejandro just because a pretty American said so. But what's worse is that Alejandro somehow finds out that Sylar is wanted for killing his mother. He shows as proof an English-language newspaper. So what's the deal? Can Alejandro suddenly understand English? He must be able to, right, to find and understand an article about Sylar (under his true name) being a fugitive. But if he can understand English, why didn't he comprehend Sylar doing everything but translating his threat to kill or corrupt the two of them into 20 different languages? So then it's Maya's turn to be stupid in dismissing Alejandro and Sylar's admission that he killed his mom. I mean, I think that would be a dealbreaker in any sort of romance, wouldn't it? Wasn't Maya a wanna-be nun? Why would Maya side with Sylar here, except for writers' fiat? And why would she just be, "Head home after I've made you a fugitive, because I don't need you after one example of being able to control my abilities." Does that even remotely make sense, particularly given his sometimes-difficulties with English?


Anyhow, after Maya tells Alejandro to get lost, Alejandro has a few options. He could try to approach the police with an anonymous tip for that would lead them to Sylar. He could talk things out with Maya. He could leave. He chooses to confront the murderer alone at night. Hello? What did he think was going to happen? He does get killed, so RIP, Alejandro. Maya comes over shortly after and babbles about how Sylar was right and starts macking with him while (unbeknownst to her) her dead brother's a few yards away. Not that I particularly would want to see more of the Maya storyline, but isn't her seduction to the Dark Side a little abrupt? And later, Sylar makes it to Mohinder's place and calls the good doctor up.

Sadly, we get very little HRG. It's established that Mohinder hooked him up to the IV of Claire blood to save him. Bob delivers an urn of fake ashes and sets Elle to watch Claire. Sadly, Elle doesn't have Veronica Mars' mad tailing skillz and gets caught. Which leads to Claire being called "pompom" and threatening Elle with going public to bring the Company out of the shadows. Um, Claire, isn't keeping a low profile what your dearly non-departed father wanted for you? Way to respect his wishes.

One of the things that I'm getting disappointed with is the lack of development for the older generation. We were once again given an opportunity to see or hear about what Kaito could do and it was blown off. Victoria also didn't get to display her power (at least not yet...maybe she's somehow still alive.) We still don't know what either of the elder Petrellis can do, although we're told that they're killers.

Was there any redemptive qualities to the episode? Not so much. I did like Mohinder telling Bob that their security sucked so bad that even Mohinder managed to outwit it. It was kind of cool watching Monica break into the house. That was about it.

The good news: Things can only get better for the finale.

 

[AndThePickles]

I hope Maya dies.

 

[Raiden]

That would be super dumb. She totally should have had Jet Li powers last night. What has she been doing since Bob gave her that know-it-All Ipod?! the first thing she should have learned was butt kicking 101.

Secondly, I really wanna know what the hell Hiro thinks he's going to do against Omni-Man/Peter Petrelli. Dude has like 10 different ways he could kill Hiro and none of them pleasant.

And Peter also has Hiro's abilities, hence the reason why Peter was unaffected by the time stop. Oh, and lightning bolt >>> samurai sword.

 

[Captain_BluTac]

like Mysterio said Monica wouldn't of stood a chance she had like for guns pointed at her and any movet to attack she would of been shot by one of them
and i was think maybe hero sota teleports out and then back in somewher else but nearer to adam cus he's not that stupid he wouldnt just run at a lightning bolt

 

[Mysterio]

I think this MSN TV blog is pretty accurate with its critique of episode 10:

But instead of talking things over and comparing notes, they decide they have to fight. So Hiro does the same move he did with Sylar: charging him from 50 feet away. That seems somehow ineffective against someone who can fire lightning bolts, use telekinesis, turn invisible. If only Hiro could, I don't know...close the distance between him and his target somehow. Oh wait, he can too. I admit that the show is sort of in a catch-22 situation when it comes to borrowing ideas from comics, but I'd feel better if they stuck to ones that tended to be somewhat plausible, like Hiro deciding to do teleport-based attack.

well we saw a preview after last week's episode of Hiro standing behind Peter holding the sword to Peter's neck. so let's let mr. blog put two and two together.

 

[Raiden]

First of all, they werent. Second of all, a shotgun and a pistol are two very different things. Noah's eye was taken out, if Pratt got off that shot, Peter would have no longer had anything recognizable as a human head.

I'm a bit confused by the revelation that decapitating can kill Adam (and Peter & Claire). I thought the Company locked up Adam because he can't be killed, but now we see Victoria not afraid of Adam because, as she said, she can kill him easily with a shotgun to the head. If so, then Adam's (as well as Peter & Claire's) regenerative ability isn't all that since it can be countered rather easily.

Btw, I failed to see why Peter was threatened by Victoria. Has he forgotten that he can stop time, or use telekinesis, to prevent her from firing a shot? I'm not sure if Peter remembers what abilities he has most of the time.

 

[Captain_BluTac]

I think this MSN TV blog is pretty accurate with its critique of episode 10:

Stupidity Abounds on 'Heroes'

Wow. It was amazing to see "Heroes" go from one of its best episodes ever to one of its worst. It's like the writing team is the literay equivalent of Bears quarterback Rex Grossman. One day, they're brilliant, and the next, it's nothing but fumbles and interceptions. Pretty much everything that happened required one or more people to be phenomenally stupid, inconsistent or otherwise unbelievable.

Adam and Peter team up. Peter's trying to stop the Shanti virus, while Adam's secretly trying to spread it. They get a lead on one of the Company's former geneticists, Victoria Pratt. She falsely tells Peter that the virus is in New Mexico. Because she figures that he might be working with Adam. So knowing that Adam's a regenerator, she shoots him in the body. Sure, she might have missed with a head shot attempt, but even so, she's got a gun for a second shot and he doesn't. Then she wastes time monologuing about how only a head shot would kill him. Yeah, that makes sense. Later, she points out to Peter that Adam's trying to spread the virus. Adam says, no, it's the Company that's trying to do it. However could Peter possibly tell the truth? If only he could read minds...oh wait, he can. Not that he needed to when Adam guns her down on a pretty thin pretext. And then spitefully throws down a picture of her marked with blood. Too bad Peter's clued out for all this.

In Hiro's thread, he flashes back to the 1970s and gets to see the events that led Adam to be locked up. It turns out the Company had a super-lethal version of the Shanti virus way back then that Adam was trying to release. His motive: apparently to cull humanity down to a very small pool and start again. I have to say I'm disappointed because I was hoping that he wasn't just a straight-up black hat. How very boring. And how very nonsensical. And how very unoriginal. It's a motive taken from Ra's Al-Ghul from Batman infamy. All he needs to do is start referring to Hiro as "Detective" and have a buff guy named Ubu follow him around.

As an aside, if somebody had a virus capable of wiping out 99 percent of the population, why would they keep that sample around? Worse, when they learn that someone crazy and dangerous who got locked up making a play to release the virus suddenly has escaped, you would think that would be incentive to destroy it. But noooooo.

So Hiro goes to the place where the virus is being kept, good ol' Primatech Paper in Odessa, and so does Hiro and Adam. While everything is frozen around them, Hiro tells Peter that Adam killed Hiro's father and he must pay for that. Um, Hiro, you might have wanted to mention that you went back in time and saw that Adam tried to release the Shanti virus and you believe that he's trying to do that again. In the journalism business, we'd call that "burying the lead."

But instead of talking things over and comparing notes, they decide they have to fight. So Hiro does the same move he did with Sylar: charging him from 50 feet away. That seems somehow ineffective against someone who can fire lightning bolts, use telekinesis, turn invisible. If only Hiro could, I don't know...close the distance between him and his target somehow. Oh wait, he can too. I admit that the show is sort of in a catch-22 situation when it comes to borrowing ideas from comics, but I'd feel better if they stuck to ones that tended to be somewhat plausible, like Hiro deciding to do teleport-based attack.


So we also get a return of Monica and Micah and an odd storyline. Micah has a bunch of comics with him that are worth money, some, he says worth as much as $600. Given the financial status of the Sanders family last season (dad an ex-con on the run and mom forced to strip on the Internet to make ends meet) it seems doubtful that they'd have had vintage comics lying around. I think it's safe to say that no comic that Micah would have been able to buy for cover price during his lifetime would have shot up so highly in value. Putting that aside, annoying Cousin Damon gets it in his head that he's going to sell them out from underneath Micah. And then Damon gets comic-jacked. Because I'm sure there's a huge market for hot comics. Oh, and Damon apparently has no idea who he was going to sell these comics too. What's worse is that Micah has been keeping his dad's firefighting medal in with his comics for some reason. Don't worry, though. Because Monica knows who stole the comics. Um, really? How, if Damon didn't know? And why not tell the police? Does it make sense that she would take care of things herself when she balked about telling the police about who held up her fast-food place a few weeks prior? Especially since these crooks actually know a member of her family that they could retailiate against. Monica and Micah team up and Micah realizes Monica's St. Joan. She sneaks into the place and fairly quickly locates the comic and the medal. But then the gang of thugs comes back. For whatever reason, they are talking about committing an arson for hire. Because this is a multitalented gang of thugs that can comic-jack AND burn buildings down. And for whatever reason, Monica doesn't high-tail it out of there the way she came with the recovered goods as soon as she hears them coming. Instead, she tries to hide by hanging from the ceiling. Only she drops something, and reacts too slowly. The thugs pull out their guns and take her away. Good thing she didn't put up a fight or anything.

We have movement on the Maya/Alejandro/Sylar triangle. Sylar takes his young apprentice under his wing and shows her that she can control her disease-spreading ability by provoking her into making her sick. Then he convinces Maya into thinking she no longer needs her brother. I don't know how we're supposed to buy that this girl is going to distance herself from Alejandro just because a pretty American said so. But what's worse is that Alejandro somehow finds out that Sylar is wanted for killing his mother. He shows as proof an English-language newspaper. So what's the deal? Can Alejandro suddenly understand English? He must be able to, right, to find and understand an article about Sylar (under his true name) being a fugitive. But if he can understand English, why didn't he comprehend Sylar doing everything but translating his threat to kill or corrupt the two of them into 20 different languages? So then it's Maya's turn to be stupid in dismissing Alejandro and Sylar's admission that he killed his mom. I mean, I think that would be a dealbreaker in any sort of romance, wouldn't it? Wasn't Maya a wanna-be nun? Why would Maya side with Sylar here, except for writers' fiat? And why would she just be, "Head home after I've made you a fugitive, because I don't need you after one example of being able to control my abilities." Does that even remotely make sense, particularly given his sometimes-difficulties with English?


Anyhow, after Maya tells Alejandro to get lost, Alejandro has a few options. He could try to approach the police with an anonymous tip for that would lead them to Sylar. He could talk things out with Maya. He could leave. He chooses to confront the murderer alone at night. Hello? What did he think was going to happen? He does get killed, so RIP, Alejandro. Maya comes over shortly after and babbles about how Sylar was right and starts macking with him while (unbeknownst to her) her dead brother's a few yards away. Not that I particularly would want to see more of the Maya storyline, but isn't her seduction to the Dark Side a little abrupt? And later, Sylar makes it to Mohinder's place and calls the good doctor up.

Sadly, we get very little HRG. It's established that Mohinder hooked him up to the IV of Claire blood to save him. Bob delivers an urn of fake ashes and sets Elle to watch Claire. Sadly, Elle doesn't have Veronica Mars' mad tailing skillz and gets caught. Which leads to Claire being called "pompom" and threatening Elle with going public to bring the Company out of the shadows. Um, Claire, isn't keeping a low profile what your dearly non-departed father wanted for you? Way to respect his wishes.

One of the things that I'm getting disappointed with is the lack of development for the older generation. We were once again given an opportunity to see or hear about what Kaito could do and it was blown off. Victoria also didn't get to display her power (at least not yet...maybe she's somehow still alive.) We still don't know what either of the elder Petrellis can do, although we're told that they're killers.

Was there any redemptive qualities to the episode? Not so much. I did like Mohinder telling Bob that their security sucked so bad that even Mohinder managed to outwit it. It was kind of cool watching Monica break into the house. That was about it.

The good news: Things can only get better for the finale.

I now wish I had read this when I posted my last comment

 

[Raiden]

well we saw a preview after last week's episode of Hiro standing behind Peter holding the sword to Peter's neck. so let's let mr. blog put two and two together.

Peter can also teleport, so he really has nothing to worry about; not that he should worry anyway since a slice wound won't kill him. The blogger is right about Peter can read mind and should've been able to figure out if Victoria or Adam was telling the truth, though.

 

[NateGray]

If they re-did season 2 then I'd be all for that, but I doubt they will.


*Lost is the best show ever made and Heroes can't even compete.

If you do not like the show fine do not watch but to compare it to the TRASH that is lost well GTFO and do not let the door hit you where the lord split you kktnx.

 

[NateGray]

yeah but if two people are saying your new buddy is a murdering bad guywho wants to let out the virus why would not listen?

Because he has not lied to Peter at all and has portrayed the company to be very evil which they were at one point and he SAVED his brothers life how everyone keeps forgetting that is beyond me.

 

[NateGray]

I just do not get all the negativity this season.
Sure it has had some WTF moments but hardly worthy of the bashing these boards gives the show.
Heck I wonder why 90% of you even watch the show? just to have something to complain about?
Heres a novel concept if you do not like it and just want to bash every episode, do your self a favor and watch something else you actually LIKE...

Yeh I know watching something you like seems like a lost concept.....