Chapter 10: "Truth and Consequences" discussion thread 11/26

[Mysterio]

generally, people who have to resort to using "bash" or "hater" don't have much to say anyway.

 

[NateGray]

generally, people who have to resort to using "bash" or "hater" don't have much to say anyway.

Yes because I actually like the show my opinion must not be worth it right?

Its ok I will just ignore these boards and enjoy the show kktnx.

 

[Raiden]

To criticize is one thing to attack it like is done on these boards is a wonder any of you even watch the show at all as much as it is bashed non stop.
Unless as I said and suspect many watch just to bash it.
Otherwise criticism is a give and take.

Do not worry I will not post my minority opinion on these boards anymore, I will do like most and either just bash it(not going to happen) or not post my minority opinion, its not worth it going up against so many who just want to bash it.
Sad I now know how the SR defender board posters feel.

As someone who works 40+ hours a week and has a wife and a baby, I don't really have the time to watch a show just so I can bash it. I genuinely enjoyed the first season, but have been disappointed by season two mostly, although there were some worthy episodes (like ep#9). The problem with S2 for me have been either prolonged plot (Hiro in feudal Japan), uninteresting new characters (the twins and West), neglected old characters (Nikki), and other things I don't have time to write about. If I grew tired of this show, I will stop watching altogether instead of bashing it in this forum; I have more important things to do with my spare time.

 

[echostation]

Basically Niki and Hiro are both gonna die cuz Hiro decided to stupidly attack from a mile away... in the preview for the next ep they show Adam and Peter:

Peter's walking away from Adam saying "let's go destroy the virus..." It's incredibly obvious that stupid dumb**** Hiro is gonna bite the dust

 

[Eddie Brock]

Basically Niki and Hiro are both gonna die cuz Hiro decided to stupidly attack from a mile away... in the preview for the next ep they show Adam and Peter:

Peter's walking away from Adam saying "let's go destroy the virus..." It's incredibly obvious that stupid dumb**** Hiro is gonna bite the dust

That's a wonderful theory and all...but...

PETER DOESN'T KILL.

 

[Raiden]

Yes because I actually like the show my opinion must not be worth it right?

Its ok I will just ignore these boards and enjoy the show kktnx.

I'm glad that you enjoy the show, but I don't want to watch Heroes with rose-colored glasses on. If I don't like the show, I (and others) will let our feelings known, with the hope that somehow, somewhere the writers are reading and can understand our criticisms. A show like this shouldn't be written purely to please fans; that will just dilute its focus and the vision of its creator, but that does not mean the fans' opinions should be ignored completely as well. The fact that Heroes was taken to SD Comic-Con means shows the cast & creator shown considerable interest in the fans' influence in making this a success, and ignoring the fan base will only hurt the show, not strengthen it.

 

[Matt]

Everyone be nice and civil.

 

[stillanerd]

I think this MSN TV blog is pretty accurate with its critique of episode 10:

Stupidity Abounds on 'Heroes'

Wow. It was amazing to see "Heroes" go from one of its best episodes ever to one of its worst. It's like the writing team is the literay equivalent of Bears quarterback Rex Grossman. One day, they're brilliant, and the next, it's nothing but fumbles and interceptions. Pretty much everything that happened required one or more people to be phenomenally stupid, inconsistent or otherwise unbelievable.

Adam and Peter team up. Peter's trying to stop the Shanti virus, while Adam's secretly trying to spread it. They get a lead on one of the Company's former geneticists, Victoria Pratt. She falsely tells Peter that the virus is in New Mexico. Because she figures that he might be working with Adam. So knowing that Adam's a regenerator, she shoots him in the body. Sure, she might have missed with a head shot attempt, but even so, she's got a gun for a second shot and he doesn't. Then she wastes time monologuing about how only a head shot would kill him. Yeah, that makes sense. Later, she points out to Peter that Adam's trying to spread the virus. Adam says, no, it's the Company that's trying to do it. However could Peter possibly tell the truth? If only he could read minds...oh wait, he can. Not that he needed to when Adam guns her down on a pretty thin pretext. And then spitefully throws down a picture of her marked with blood. Too bad Peter's clued out for all this.

And I got to say that this annoyed me as well. I kept saying to myself "All Peter has to do is read BOTH Victoria and Adam's minds to figure out the truth," especially since he was able to extract the info out of Victoria head by force despite whatever mental conditioning she might have had. But NO, his capacity for goodness has to make him a sucker.
In Hiro's thread, he flashes back to the 1970s and gets to see the events that led Adam to be locked up. It turns out the Company had a super-lethal version of the Shanti virus way back then that Adam was trying to release. His motive: apparently to cull humanity down to a very small pool and start again. I have to say I'm disappointed because I was hoping that he wasn't just a straight-up black hat. How very boring. And how very nonsensical. And how very unoriginal. It's a motive taken from Ra's Al-Ghul from Batman infamy. All he needs to do is start referring to Hiro as "Detective" and have a buff guy named Ubu follow him around.

As an aside, if somebody had a virus capable of wiping out 99 percent of the population, why would they keep that sample around? Worse, when they learn that someone crazy and dangerous who got locked up making a play to release the virus suddenly has escaped, you would think that would be incentive to destroy it. But noooooo.

So Hiro goes to the place where the virus is being kept, good ol' Primatech Paper in Odessa, and so does Hiro and Adam. While everything is frozen around them, Hiro tells Peter that Adam killed Hiro's father and he must pay for that. Um, Hiro, you might have wanted to mention that you went back in time and saw that Adam tried to release the Shanti virus and you believe that he's trying to do that again. In the journalism business, we'd call that "burying the lead."

Good point. Especially since Peter knows the guy happens to be a time-traveller. After all, if he expects others to believe about his going to the future and seeing an apocalypse, you would think a guy who has been to the past and most likely seen the crimes actually take place would be someone he could trust.

But instead of talking things over and comparing notes, they decide they have to fight. So Hiro does the same move he did with Sylar: charging him from 50 feet away. That seems somehow ineffective against someone who can fire lightning bolts, use telekinesis, turn invisible. If only Hiro could, I don't know...close the distance between him and his target somehow. Oh wait, he can too. I admit that the show is sort of in a catch-22 situation when it comes to borrowing ideas from comics, but I'd feel better if they stuck to ones that tended to be somewhat plausible, like Hiro deciding to do teleport-based attack.

But why talk things over when you can get a fight sequence out of the deal?

So we also get a return of Monica and Micah and an odd storyline. Micah has a bunch of comics with him that are worth money, some, he says worth as much as $600. Given the financial status of the Sanders family last season (dad an ex-con on the run and mom forced to strip on the Internet to make ends meet) it seems doubtful that they'd have had vintage comics lying around. I think it's safe to say that no comic that Micah would have been able to buy for cover price during his lifetime would have shot up so highly in value. Putting that aside, annoying Cousin Damon gets it in his head that he's going to sell them out from underneath Micah. And then Damon gets comic-jacked. Because I'm sure there's a huge market for hot comics. Oh, and Damon apparently has no idea who he was going to sell these comics too. What's worse is that Micah has been keeping his dad's firefighting medal in with his comics for some reason. Don't worry, though. Because Monica knows who stole the comics. Um, really? How, if Damon didn't know? And why not tell the police? Does it make sense that she would take care of things herself when she balked about telling the police about who held up her fast-food place a few weeks prior? Especially since these crooks actually know a member of her family that they could retailiate against. Monica and Micah team up and Micah realizes Monica's St. Joan. She sneaks into the place and fairly quickly locates the comic and the medal. But then the gang of thugs comes back. For whatever reason, they are talking about committing an arson for hire. Because this is a multitalented gang of thugs that can comic-jack AND burn buildings down. And for whatever reason, Monica doesn't high-tail it out of there the way she came with the recovered goods as soon as she hears them coming. Instead, she tries to hide by hanging from the ceiling. Only she drops something, and reacts too slowly. The thugs pull out their guns and take her away. Good thing she didn't put up a fight or anything.

Yeah, based on the comics that were stolen, they were all 9th Wonder comics and I really doubt they would've gone up in value THAT much after Issac's death. And the fact that she was knocked unconscious but a blow to the head--especially for someone who supposedly has mastered Bruce Lee moves--was pretty cheap.

We have movement on the Maya/Alejandro/Sylar triangle. Sylar takes his young apprentice under his wing and shows her that she can control her disease-spreading ability by provoking her into making her sick. Then he convinces Maya into thinking she no longer needs her brother. I don't know how we're supposed to buy that this girl is going to distance herself from Alejandro just because a pretty American said so. But what's worse is that Alejandro somehow finds out that Sylar is wanted for killing his mother. He shows as proof an English-language newspaper. So what's the deal? Can Alejandro suddenly understand English? He must be able to, right, to find and understand an article about Sylar (under his true name) being a fugitive. But if he can understand English, why didn't he comprehend Sylar doing everything but translating his threat to kill or corrupt the two of them into 20 different languages? So then it's Maya's turn to be stupid in dismissing Alejandro and Sylar's admission that he killed his mom. I mean, I think that would be a dealbreaker in any sort of romance, wouldn't it? Wasn't Maya a wanna-be nun? Why would Maya side with Sylar here, except for writers' fiat? And why would she just be, "Head home after I've made you a fugitive, because I don't need you after one example of being able to control my abilities." Does that even remotely make sense, particularly given his sometimes-difficulties with English?

What was even more of a ridiculous inconsistency of Alejandro's lack of English is when he essentially tells Sylar "Don't you hurt my sister!" during their struggle--in perfect English! (BTW, I was actually dancing for joy when Sylar killed the guy and started putting the moves on Maya afterwards because it was a reminder of how great a villain Sylar used to be --even though everybody could see that Alejandro was a dead man the moment Sylar showed up with the Latino Wonder Twins.)

Anyhow, after Maya tells Alejandro to get lost, Alejandro has a few options. He could try to approach the police with an anonymous tip for that would lead them to Sylar. He could talk things out with Maya. He could leave. He chooses to confront the murderer alone at night. Hello? What did he think was going to happen? He does get killed, so RIP, Alejandro. Maya comes over shortly after and babbles about how Sylar was right and starts macking with him while (unbeknownst to her) her dead brother's a few yards away. Not that I particularly would want to see more of the Maya storyline, but isn't her seduction to the Dark Side a little abrupt? And later, Sylar makes it to Mohinder's place and calls the good doctor up.

And to prove just how much more of a love-struck, idiotic dingbat Maya really is, even if she believed all of Sylar's BS, would she still be willing to cooperate in holding Molly hostage, who, for all she knows, is completely innocent? Much less letting Sylar apparently kill an innocent babysitter?

Sadly, we get very little HRG. It's established that Mohinder hooked him up to the IV of Claire blood to save him. Bob delivers an urn of fake ashes and sets Elle to watch Claire. Sadly, Elle doesn't have Veronica Mars' mad tailing skillz and gets caught. Which leads to Claire being called "pompom" and threatening Elle with going public to bring the Company out of the shadows. Um, Claire, isn't keeping a low profile what your dearly non-departed father wanted for you? Way to respect his wishes.

Well, her going public would be the last thing the Company wants. However, as shown in "Five Years Gone," public knowledge about the Heroes leads to X-Men style Days of Future Past scenarios which but everyone with powers in jeopardy.

One of the things that I'm getting disappointed with is the lack of development for the older generation. We were once again given an opportunity to see or hear about what Kaito could do and it was blown off. Victoria also didn't get to display her power (at least not yet...maybe she's somehow still alive.) We still don't know what either of the elder Petrellis can do, although we're told that they're killers.

Was there any redemptive qualities to the episode? Not so much. I did like Mohinder telling Bob that their security sucked so bad that even Mohinder managed to outwit it. It was kind of cool watching Monica break into the house. That was about it.

The good news: Things can only get better for the finale.

Yes, this episode should have been either titled "Confederacy of Dunces" or "Clueless" based on how oh so many characters' actions and behaviors in this episode were prime examples of the idiot plot in action. It was, to quote the Bard, "A tale told by an idiot, a sound and a fury signifying nothing." Great critical review.

 

[3dman27]

maybe the claire-elle brawl wil take place in the season finale

 

[Matt]

generally, people who have to resort to using "bash" or "hater" don't have much to say anyway.

Very good point. I think I am going to petition the other mods to make "hater" a censored word on these boards. And "Haterade"...just because that joke is lame.

 

[Gilpesh]

The thing with Peter reading Adam's mind is...

Who's to say what experience Adam has had with every single power out there? He's been around long enough to not be surprised by anything Peter pulls out of his bag of powers. So he could possibly know not to think anything that would make it seem like he was a bad guy.

Yeah it might be a stretch and a huge suspension of disbelief but hey... I got nothing else.

 

[stillanerd]

The thing with Peter reading Adam's mind is...

Who's to say what experience Adam has had with every single power out there? He's been around long enough to not be surprised by anything Peter pulls out of his bag of powers. So he could possibly know not to think anything that would make it seem like he was a bad guy.

Yeah it might be a stretch and a huge suspension of disbelief but hey... I got nothing else.

That crossed my mind as well, but the other thought I had was that Adam's regenerative abilities have made him immune to psychic abilities. He told Peter that his regenerative powers and restore memories, which means he can heal from mental as well as physical damage. He has to be immune to all diseases for him to even try to even mess with the virus, which would include mental disorders. And don't forget he was able to have Maury Parkman--a guy who is capable of projecting his thoughts and will into other people remember--do his bidding for him in going after Bob. Of course, considering how Peter, who would potentially have the exact same ability as Matt and Maury, was able to read Claire's mind, who has the same ability as Adam, you have to wonder why it wouldn't also work with Adam if he tried to read his mind.

 

[Abaddon]

Spoiler

If Nikki dies because of Micah and Monica's actions, does anyone else think her death will be just as pointless as D.L.'s? I'm not particularly fond of the character, but to cure her of the virus then kill her in some stupid subplot about stolen comic books that is in no way related to the main plot just seems dumb

Abso-****ing-lutely.

Also, how does Adam know he will die if shot in the head? I mean, has he tested the theory? Was there a third healer at some point?

There seemed to be a third healer in a recent online comic.

I think this MSN TV blog is pretty accurate with its critique of episode 10:

Stupidity Abounds on 'Heroes'




As an aside, if somebody had a virus capable of wiping out 99 percent of the population, why would they keep that sample around? Worse, when they learn that someone crazy and dangerous who got locked up making a play to release the virus suddenly has escaped, you would think that would be incentive to destroy it. But noooooo.

Exactly.

So Hiro goes to the place where the virus is being kept, good ol' Primatech Paper in Odessa, and so does Hiro and Adam. While everything is frozen around them, Hiro tells Peter that Adam killed Hiro's father and he must pay for that. Um, Hiro, you might have wanted to mention that you went back in time and saw that Adam tried to release the Shanti virus and you believe that he's trying to do that again. In the journalism business, we'd call that "burying the lead."

None of these characters are equipped with good communication skills.

So we also get a return of Monica and Micah and an odd storyline. Micah has a bunch of comics with him that are worth money, some, he says worth as much as $600. Given the financial status of the Sanders family last season (dad an ex-con on the run and mom forced to strip on the Internet to make ends meet) it seems doubtful that they'd have had vintage comics lying around. I think it's safe to say that no comic that Micah would have been able to buy for cover price during his lifetime would have shot up so highly in value. Putting that aside, annoying Cousin Damon gets it in his head that he's going to sell them out from underneath Micah. And then Damon gets comic-jacked. Because I'm sure there's a huge market for hot comics. Oh, and Damon apparently has no idea who he was going to sell these comics too. What's worse is that Micah has been keeping his dad's firefighting medal in with his comics for some reason. Don't worry, though. Because Monica knows who stole the comics. Um, really? How, if Damon didn't know? And why not tell the police? Does it make sense that she would take care of things herself when she balked about telling the police about who held up her fast-food place a few weeks prior? Especially since these crooks actually know a member of her family that they could retailiate against. Monica and Micah team up and Micah realizes Monica's St. Joan. She sneaks into the place and fairly quickly locates the comic and the medal. But then the gang of thugs comes back. For whatever reason, they are talking about committing an arson for hire. Because this is a multitalented gang of thugs that can comic-jack AND burn buildings down. And for whatever reason, Monica doesn't high-tail it out of there the way she came with the recovered goods as soon as she hears them coming. Instead, she tries to hide by hanging from the ceiling. Only she drops something, and reacts too slowly. The thugs pull out their guns and take her away. Good thing she didn't put up a fight or anything.

I was wondering myself why Monica didn't at least try to tell the cops first.

We have movement on the Maya/Alejandro/Sylar triangle. Sylar takes his young apprentice under his wing and shows her that she can control her disease-spreading ability by provoking her into making her sick. Then he convinces Maya into thinking she no longer needs her brother. I don't know how we're supposed to buy that this girl is going to distance herself from Alejandro just because a pretty American said so.

Dumbdumbdumb

On a separate note, I'm really sick of Sylar now and want him dead, regardless of whether he gets his powers back or not.

Yes.

 

[gadgetfusion]

Although I think Maya and Michah's cousin Damon are really stupid, I actually thought this episode was okay. Although not nearly as good as I expected.

PROS

-Sylar, Maya's stupid but Sylar is going a good job at being a manipulative villain. I get chills when he speaks and the end where he calls Mohinder from his own home with Molly right by him was great. Too bad Matt's looking for Victoria Pratt, don't trust a babysitter when Sylar's around. lol

-Claire, she's done a great job and the whole thing about HRG's death hurting her more than anything else she's experienced was touching. Personally, I don't think she's really gonna reveal herself. She could've said that to Elle as a threat to make her leave, or just because she was hurt and seeing Elle got her angry. Or both. I'm slowly liking West a little bit more, although I'm hoping he leaves soon.

-Victoria Pratt, I think she did a good job as a woman trying to hide and forget the Company and the virus. I don't think she has any powers, I think she's like the Mohinder of the original Company members. She didn't get that head shot in but I admire her for trying. If only she would've known that Peter could heal. Oh well, this might make things difficult for Matt.

-Peter, yeah, many people might disagree, but I don't care. Peter's hanging out with the wrong people. It's not his fault though. So far Victoria and Hiro have both warned him of how evil Adam is. But Victoria seemed suspicious in his eyes, plus she created the virus. And Hiro threatened Peter first, so what reason does he have to trust him. I'm just getting this feeling that Peter's slowly turning to the dark side. I hope not.

-Monica, once again, people might disagree. I think it was noble of her to try and get D.L.'s firefighting medal back. Nice parkour tricks, but too bad the gang came home early. I don't blame her for getting caught. If you're on a roof and a group of gang members point their guns at you, you'd be freaked out too. Hopefully, she'll get out of this mess.

-Sandra Bennet, I love how she pointed the gun at Bob at the beginning. Like husband like wife, I guess.

-Ando, he was funny. He seemed like how he was in Season 1. "Why is saving the world always your responsiblity?" lol

-Nikki, I don't know why but I thought she did a good job tonight. She wants to spend as much time with Micah as possible and is hopeful for a cure but you can tell there's much doubt and fear in her. I hope she gets the cure soon but it seems as though Sylar has successfully sidetracked Mohinder from curing her.

-HRG, great, as always. I hope he gets out soon. At least he tried to warn Mohinder about the virus.

-Adam, also great, as always. I like how he's manipulating Peter and trying to make the Company look really evil.

-Elle, she did a good job. She wants to get on her dad's good side but isn't sure is she should trust him. Who should? Bob practically blamed her for everything.

-Micah, at least he's doing sometime useful with his powers.

CONS

-Maya, she's really stupid. She sees a newspaper article about Sylar killing his mom but yet she joins him because he helped her with her power? Lame. She doesn't see her dead brother in the room and is distracted by Sylar, lamer. Oh well, let's hope she dies soon.

-Alejandro, I don't know who's stupider, him or his sister. Not only can you suddenly read English, but you decide to face Sylar alone. Oh well, at least he's finally dead.

-Hiro, he sucked tonight. I don't know what's worse, not explaining to Peter why you're after Adam, or attacking him from miles away.

-Damon, let's steal Micah's bookbag because there's cool comics inside. Let's get it stolen even though there's a medal inside it. He's so stupid.

-Mohinder, what can I say? I thought you could redeem yourself after shooting HRG. He may have been the one who saved HRG, but that's no excuse for yelling at him about it afterward. And now it looks like he'll go after Sylar to save Molly instead of curing Nikki. I hope not, though.

-Bob, I don't know. He just seemed rotten this episode. I always seemed to like her for being mysterious yet showing that he at least somewhat cares. But now the things he has said to the Bennets, Mohinder, and Elle just makes me hate him this episode. I hope I like him next episode.

-West, I thought I liked him after Cautionary Tales, but this episode just made me go back to hating him.

-Catilin, any mention of her is getting on my nerves.

-Kaito, the guy playing as him in the flashback really sucked. Plus, we still don't know what his power is.

-Arthur and Angela Petrelli, not only was Angela not in the episode, but Victoria only hinted at their powers without actually telling Peter what they were.

Overall, I give it a 7/10. I think that Powerless will blow us all away.

 

[neemer5]

The thing with Peter reading Adam's mind is...

Who's to say what experience Adam has had with every single power out there? He's been around long enough to not be surprised by anything Peter pulls out of his bag of powers. So he could possibly know not to think anything that would make it seem like he was a bad guy.

Yeah it might be a stretch and a huge suspension of disbelief but hey... I got nothing else.

yeah but that is kinda moot. He could read Victoria's, and he could have read Hiro's as well. More importantly, Hiro has proven to be very trustworthy in the eyes of Peter. combine that with two people separately telling him something, watching Adam murder someone when "he didn't have to," according to Peter, and Peter comes off as overly naive. The only thing Adam has going for him is that Adam saved Nathan's life.

Peter and Hiro could have had a discussion before they squared off, couldn't they have? They had all the time in the world.

 

[chitownballer]

I haven't seen anyone mention or discuss the fact that Victoria Pratt kept mentioning the fact that Peters parents were bad, and that they did terrible things. Yet Mrs Petrelli insisted on protection Victoria, was that for Victoria or in fact for Mrs. Petrelli herself in order to keep her dark secrets.

 

[neotheone]

For one this stupidity is what keeps shows going... so of course their gonna let Sylar convince Maya that she doesn't need Alejandro. And of course Hiro's gonna attack somebody with a close combat weopon when their's a ultra-powered man watching. These are the things that get people interested and yelling at the tv saying," don't kiss him, he just killed your brother" so that you stay interested in seeing if they come to their senses

 

[Sawyer]

I think this MSN TV blog is pretty accurate with its critique of episode 10:

Stupidity Abounds on 'Heroes'

Wow. It was amazing to see "Heroes" go from one of its best episodes ever to one of its worst. It's like the writing team is the literay equivalent of Bears quarterback Rex Grossman. One day, they're brilliant, and the next, it's nothing but fumbles and interceptions. Pretty much everything that happened required one or more people to be phenomenally stupid, inconsistent or otherwise unbelievable.

Adam and Peter team up. Peter's trying to stop the Shanti virus, while Adam's secretly trying to spread it. They get a lead on one of the Company's former geneticists, Victoria Pratt. She falsely tells Peter that the virus is in New Mexico. Because she figures that he might be working with Adam. So knowing that Adam's a regenerator, she shoots him in the body. Sure, she might have missed with a head shot attempt, but even so, she's got a gun for a second shot and he doesn't. Then she wastes time monologuing about how only a head shot would kill him. Yeah, that makes sense. Later, she points out to Peter that Adam's trying to spread the virus. Adam says, no, it's the Company that's trying to do it. However could Peter possibly tell the truth? If only he could read minds...oh wait, he can. Not that he needed to when Adam guns her down on a pretty thin pretext. And then spitefully throws down a picture of her marked with blood. Too bad Peter's clued out for all this.

In Hiro's thread, he flashes back to the 1970s and gets to see the events that led Adam to be locked up. It turns out the Company had a super-lethal version of the Shanti virus way back then that Adam was trying to release. His motive: apparently to cull humanity down to a very small pool and start again. I have to say I'm disappointed because I was hoping that he wasn't just a straight-up black hat. How very boring. And how very nonsensical. And how very unoriginal. It's a motive taken from Ra's Al-Ghul from Batman infamy. All he needs to do is start referring to Hiro as "Detective" and have a buff guy named Ubu follow him around.

As an aside, if somebody had a virus capable of wiping out 99 percent of the population, why would they keep that sample around? Worse, when they learn that someone crazy and dangerous who got locked up making a play to release the virus suddenly has escaped, you would think that would be incentive to destroy it. But noooooo.

So Hiro goes to the place where the virus is being kept, good ol' Primatech Paper in Odessa, and so does Hiro and Adam. While everything is frozen around them, Hiro tells Peter that Adam killed Hiro's father and he must pay for that. Um, Hiro, you might have wanted to mention that you went back in time and saw that Adam tried to release the Shanti virus and you believe that he's trying to do that again. In the journalism business, we'd call that "burying the lead."

But instead of talking things over and comparing notes, they decide they have to fight. So Hiro does the same move he did with Sylar: charging him from 50 feet away. That seems somehow ineffective against someone who can fire lightning bolts, use telekinesis, turn invisible. If only Hiro could, I don't know...close the distance between him and his target somehow. Oh wait, he can too. I admit that the show is sort of in a catch-22 situation when it comes to borrowing ideas from comics, but I'd feel better if they stuck to ones that tended to be somewhat plausible, like Hiro deciding to do teleport-based attack.


So we also get a return of Monica and Micah and an odd storyline. Micah has a bunch of comics with him that are worth money, some, he says worth as much as $600. Given the financial status of the Sanders family last season (dad an ex-con on the run and mom forced to strip on the Internet to make ends meet) it seems doubtful that they'd have had vintage comics lying around. I think it's safe to say that no comic that Micah would have been able to buy for cover price during his lifetime would have shot up so highly in value. Putting that aside, annoying Cousin Damon gets it in his head that he's going to sell them out from underneath Micah. And then Damon gets comic-jacked. Because I'm sure there's a huge market for hot comics. Oh, and Damon apparently has no idea who he was going to sell these comics too. What's worse is that Micah has been keeping his dad's firefighting medal in with his comics for some reason. Don't worry, though. Because Monica knows who stole the comics. Um, really? How, if Damon didn't know? And why not tell the police? Does it make sense that she would take care of things herself when she balked about telling the police about who held up her fast-food place a few weeks prior? Especially since these crooks actually know a member of her family that they could retailiate against. Monica and Micah team up and Micah realizes Monica's St. Joan. She sneaks into the place and fairly quickly locates the comic and the medal. But then the gang of thugs comes back. For whatever reason, they are talking about committing an arson for hire. Because this is a multitalented gang of thugs that can comic-jack AND burn buildings down. And for whatever reason, Monica doesn't high-tail it out of there the way she came with the recovered goods as soon as she hears them coming. Instead, she tries to hide by hanging from the ceiling. Only she drops something, and reacts too slowly. The thugs pull out their guns and take her away. Good thing she didn't put up a fight or anything.

We have movement on the Maya/Alejandro/Sylar triangle. Sylar takes his young apprentice under his wing and shows her that she can control her disease-spreading ability by provoking her into making her sick. Then he convinces Maya into thinking she no longer needs her brother. I don't know how we're supposed to buy that this girl is going to distance herself from Alejandro just because a pretty American said so. But what's worse is that Alejandro somehow finds out that Sylar is wanted for killing his mother. He shows as proof an English-language newspaper. So what's the deal? Can Alejandro suddenly understand English? He must be able to, right, to find and understand an article about Sylar (under his true name) being a fugitive. But if he can understand English, why didn't he comprehend Sylar doing everything but translating his threat to kill or corrupt the two of them into 20 different languages? So then it's Maya's turn to be stupid in dismissing Alejandro and Sylar's admission that he killed his mom. I mean, I think that would be a dealbreaker in any sort of romance, wouldn't it? Wasn't Maya a wanna-be nun? Why would Maya side with Sylar here, except for writers' fiat? And why would she just be, "Head home after I've made you a fugitive, because I don't need you after one example of being able to control my abilities." Does that even remotely make sense, particularly given his sometimes-difficulties with English?


Anyhow, after Maya tells Alejandro to get lost, Alejandro has a few options. He could try to approach the police with an anonymous tip for that would lead them to Sylar. He could talk things out with Maya. He could leave. He chooses to confront the murderer alone at night. Hello? What did he think was going to happen? He does get killed, so RIP, Alejandro. Maya comes over shortly after and babbles about how Sylar was right and starts macking with him while (unbeknownst to her) her dead brother's a few yards away. Not that I particularly would want to see more of the Maya storyline, but isn't her seduction to the Dark Side a little abrupt? And later, Sylar makes it to Mohinder's place and calls the good doctor up.

Sadly, we get very little HRG. It's established that Mohinder hooked him up to the IV of Claire blood to save him. Bob delivers an urn of fake ashes and sets Elle to watch Claire. Sadly, Elle doesn't have Veronica Mars' mad tailing skillz and gets caught. Which leads to Claire being called "pompom" and threatening Elle with going public to bring the Company out of the shadows. Um, Claire, isn't keeping a low profile what your dearly non-departed father wanted for you? Way to respect his wishes.

One of the things that I'm getting disappointed with is the lack of development for the older generation. We were once again given an opportunity to see or hear about what Kaito could do and it was blown off. Victoria also didn't get to display her power (at least not yet...maybe she's somehow still alive.) We still don't know what either of the elder Petrellis can do, although we're told that they're killers.

Was there any redemptive qualities to the episode? Not so much. I did like Mohinder telling Bob that their security sucked so bad that even Mohinder managed to outwit it. It was kind of cool watching Monica break into the house. That was about it.

The good news: Things can only get better for the finale.

MSN TV? Who the hell are they?! Good episode.

 

[Gilpesh]

That crossed my mind as well, but the other thought I had was that Adam's regenerative abilities have made him immune to psychic abilities. He told Peter that his regenerative powers and restore memories, which means he can heal from mental as well as physical damage. He has to be immune to all diseases for him to even try to even mess with the virus, which would include mental disorders. And don't forget he was able to have Maury Parkman--a guy who is capable of projecting his thoughts and will into other people remember--do his bidding for him in going after Bob. Of course, considering how Peter, who would potentially have the exact same ability as Matt and Maury, was able to read Claire's mind, who has the same ability as Adam, you have to wonder why it wouldn't also work with Adam if he tried to read his mind.

Not saying that he is immune. Just that he has thought of ways to trick telepaths, especially when Maury was his puppet. Something like HRG thinking in Japanese the entire time Matt and Ted were in the house. But instead of something so obvious he now doesn't even think of his plans and only thinks what he is telling people around him...

Yeah, like I said, stretch.

yeah but that is kinda moot. He could read Victoria's, and he could have read Hiro's as well. More importantly, Hiro has proven to be very trustworthy in the eyes of Peter. combine that with two people separately telling him something, watching Adam murder someone when "he didn't have to," according to Peter, and Peter comes off as overly naive. The only thing Adam has going for him is that Adam saved Nathan's life.

Peter and Hiro could have had a discussion before they squared off, couldn't they have? They had all the time in the world.

Victoria went for the shotgun, Peter was in front of her. He seemed to put up a fit about it until Adam gives the scare tactic of a head shot being fatal and "not coming back from that one."

Also, the thing with Hiro was somewhat touched on by other people. He started off saying that he has something personal against Adam and also that his father was killed. So maybe Hiro might not be thinking straight at the moment....

Again... stretching.

 

[Raiden]

MSN TV? Who the hell are they?! Good episode.

It's MSN.com's entertainment section TV blog.

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

Despite numerous (and worsening) plot holes... I did enjoy this episode as a set-up for next week.

My #1 disappointment: That glass, rather than Elle's teeth were what worked out of Claire's healing hand. What a wasted moment. I've found that if you're really trying to impress upon someone your desire to F with them... knocking out a few teeth is quite effective.

 

[Matt]

To criticize is one thing to attack it like is done on these boards is a wonder any of you even watch the show at all as much as it is bashed non stop.
Unless as I said and suspect many watch just to bash it.
Otherwise criticism is a give and take.

Do not worry I will not post my minority opinion on these boards anymore, I will do like most and either just bash it(not going to happen) or not post my minority opinion, its not worth it going up against so many who just want to bash it.
Sad I now know how the SR defender board posters feel.

Grow up a little bit.

1) These boards have a ridiculously pro-Heroes bias. Even if one episode is not recieved well, it is still a dangerous place to say anything negative about the show.

2) People are free to give any opinion they want. Good or bad. This isn't Theforce.net. And unless you want a one way ticket to ban-ville you will act civil about it. If someone presents a differing opinion, either debate and counter their opinion civilly or if you can't do that, ignore it. Don't play any of this "I'm an oppressed minority" bull crap. It only drives the thread off topic.

3) The Superman Returns board used to be a horrible place for anyone who said the tiniest thing critical of the movie so don't give me that.

 

[-Æ-]

For all the naysayers of this season I understand where yall are coming from, but you have to put in perspective that the last 5 episodes where all rush jobs to compete with the mess going on with Writers Guild Strikes.

If you don't think to much into everything, the season is very enjoyable.

Yes Hiro could of been more forth coming of information with Peter

Yes Peter should of read Adam Monroe mind, I think though since she had already lied to him before thats why he put so much trust in Adam, instead of reading his mind, and also the guy healed his brother, he has crazy respect for Adam.

Other things didn't really bother me, especially Maya embracing the dark side really quickly (hello SW Episode 3 anyone??) =p

I still believe the season would of been spectacular if there wasn't a bunch of ulterior motives going on that lead up to the writers strike. Like they said the season was supposed to be alot longer, even HRG being revelaled to be alive wasn't supposed to be until later on, so yeah the details department of this season is completely rushed.

 

[Raiden]

For all the naysayers of this season I understand where yall are coming from, but you have to put in perspective that the last 5 episodes where all rush jobs to compete with the mess going on with Writers Guild Strikes.

If you don't think to much into everything, the season is very enjoyable.

Yes Hiro could of been more forth coming of information with Peter

Yes Peter should of read Adam Monroe mind, I think though since she had already lied to him before thats why he put so much trust in Adam, instead of reading his mind, and also the guy healed his brother, he has crazy respect for Adam.

Other things didn't really bother me, especially Maya embracing the dark side really quickly (hello SW Episode 3 anyone??) =p

I still believe the season would of been spectacular if there wasn't a bunch of ulterior motives going on that lead up to the writers strike. Like they said the season was supposed to be alot longer, even HRG being revelaled to be alive wasn't supposed to be until later on, so yeah the details department of this season is completely rushed.

I don't know if this season's eps have been rushed, thus explained their lack of quanlity. Remember that for the last episode (to be aired Dec. 3rd), they actually shot a normal ending as well as a new ending that can be used as season finale, suggesting that they actually did not intend episode #11 as finale at first. Therefore, I dont' think the prior episodes were written in such a way to have #11 served as the conclusion of this current story arc. If they were, then they won't have shot 2 different endings.

 

[-Æ-]

Well they knew 5 episodes ago (im just going by articles I read) that the strike was inevitable, it was bubbling up since summertime I believe, so thats why my premise that things are rushed by the writers because of that.

I mean truthfully say this if you know that your union is planning something, do you really think that your going to work even close to 75% of what you normally do? Heck no, most people zone out by then.