Chapter 38- “I Am Become Death” – Discussion Thread 10/6/08

Are you using the word "clone" meaning that Tracy's just another Nikki, or are you meaning it in the literal sense, that Tracy is Nikki's clone?

The non-literal sense...Although I'm still betting on clone even though they were said to be sisters. Clones can be sisters. :oldrazz:

My issue is that she's pretty much replacing Nikki and when I see her I can't help but think Nikki while if she was a completely new character (like Maya or Daphne) I would have been completely locked in and curious about where her story goes.

As of now I just see her as a cheap way to keep the actress on the show.
 
I don't get how if sylar is all good in the future, and he and pete are allies

(sylar realizing that he was revealing his kinship to an unknowing peter from the past, he was saddened by the fact that "u had to find out this way")

my question is

why o why was future peter pissed when he found out sylar (his taller bro) got the healing ability from claire?

is this just proof that the show is written on a weekly basis?
or does peter just not want sylar being tough?
 
I don't get how if sylar is all good in the future, and he and pete are allies

(sylar realizing that he was revealing his kinship to an unknowing peter from the past, he was saddened by the fact that "u had to find out this way")

my question is

why o why was future peter pissed when he found out sylar (his taller bro) got the healing ability from claire?

is this just proof that the show is written on a weekly basis?
or does peter just not want sylar being tough?
maybe because that would mean that Sylar brain raped Claire, how would you feel that because of something you did to try and save the world would cause someone you love to go through a very traumatizing experience?

and nope, the writers are not doing it on a weekly basis, apparently a lot of viewers have very short attention spans, lack basic critical thinking skills and don't want to stop and think about how what they just saw applies into the overall context of the story
 
One thing I don't get, is that if Tracy, Nikki, and Barbara were all identical triplets, then where does Jessica fit into this ?
 
That is an absolutely insane theory.

Sometimes the most obvious answer, is the right one. I doubt we're going to get many answers any time soon...being as little Noah served his purpose and is part of a future that will never happen...but the implication was definitely there, that it was Claire and Sylar's.
care to explain where and how you got to this conclusion, please?
 
One thing I don't get, is that if Tracy, Nikki, and Barbara were all identical triplets, then where does Jessica fit into this ?
Jessica was the daughter that family already had if I remember correctly, the one that was killed by their father
 
That is an absolutely insane theory.

Sometimes the most obvious answer, is the right one. I doubt we're going to get many answers any time soon...being as little Noah served his purpose and is part of a future that will never happen...but the implication was definitely there, that it was Claire and Sylar's.

Hey, this is season 3. All that can be thought will be brought.

Like this:

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Um...how do you know that was a mistake?

For all we know, Peter Petrelli was born with female genitalia but decided to live as a man because of his masculine features.
 
Um...how do you know that was a mistake?

For all we know, Peter Petrelli was born with female genitalia but decided to live as a man because of his masculine features.

Maybe a side effect of the powers?
 
Ok peter teleported to costa verde in the future but how the hell did Claire,Daphne and that other guy(blanking kn his name) get to Costa Verde so damn fast!?
 
I would assume Daphne ran them there. (She's kinda fast)
 
Well, I keep grappling with the idea that the writers know where this show is going. So many differing plot threads with so few resolutions to others. However, this is only the 4th chapter of this Volume, so I'm sure that things will "work" themselves out, in whichever direction they seem to go. First, a few things.

- Gaining Sylar's ability has absolutely marked Peter as a definite casualty this year, which is sad because of how tragic his character seems to be now. The only person who consistently seems to want to do the right thing and to "save the world" is getting screwed by a banal plot device to provide artificial depth to a character who started out as THE bad guy. Not some schlep, but THE "bogeyman" as he himself pointed out. I love Peter. He's the one guy you can count on as being the "Hero". Now, he's going to become Sylar 2.0, but unlike 1.0, he will more than likely get offed for good. Which is sad.

- Sylar-Gabriel, Gabriel-Sylar. It was apparent that Gabriel had abandonment issues and thus was driven by his own apparent lack of self-esteem to try and become "special" so that he could be accepted by those he loved. That was absolutely apparent. Now it's a side-effect of his powers? Weak. Weaker than weak. Absolute shenanigans I say. It destroys what little character development that he had in lieu of this whole "Nice guy" swap they're pulling with him. Which doesn't make any sense to me, because it seems as if they're setting him up to be THE Hero which seems kind of forced. Why is it to hard to just have Good Guys that are good and Bad Guys that are bad just for the sake of it? We all criticize people like Raimi for trying to humanize villains or those that try to give Villains like Joker a backstory (Burton) so why give these guys a pass? Why this unnecessary inner-conflict? I mean, this is after all a TV Show.

- The Future. Old, tired, plot device. Because in the end, it won't matter. The scene in Costa Verde (while it developed rather nicely, unfortunately causing the death of a young innocent--something no one wants to see) will be relatively meaningless unless the writers actually decide to suck it up and say "Here is the point where we can't actually change the future" a la Terminator 3 (love it or hate it, I loved the fact that there was the realization that Judgement Day was ALWAYS going to happen). Be it in this incarnation or another, the future will be bleak because of the heroes, and in the end the only way to stop it is to wipe them all out in some way shape or form.

- I know this Volume is titled Villains, but where's the Heroes? Hiro is a dunderhead, no reason Ando kills him (in the future that's not going to happen anyways); Mohinder just as much; Maya's pouting about... well, whatever it is she opens her mouth to talk about; Peter's now a head-chopping psychopath because "the powers told me to do it"; Claire's turning into emo-girl; Nathan's a religious zealot; Tracy is Maya, just skinnier and with more teeth; Matt's following a turtle in Africa; HRG is... well, no clue; and almost everyone else is doing something equally devious/pointless. Again, I have no clue if the writer's actually know where this is going, or if they're just winging it at this point.

I didn't watch S1 when it came out. Wasn't interested in a cliche'd show about people with power, etc. and whatnot. But apparently it's done well for itself </sarcasm>. I caught on the last half of S2 (my wife watched the show the whole time and loves it) and was intrigued, to say the least. So I wound up buying S1 and 2 on DVD here recently and was absolutely stunned at what I had missed in S1 (loved it) and was only mildly entertained in S2 (and understandably so because I had seen half of it, and the writer's strike killed half the intended season anyways). Some people are saying that the show is getting back to its S1 roots. I'm not so sure. One of the things that caught me about S1 was the atmosphere. The music helped alot, but for the most part, this just seems like Angel/Buffy with a better production budget (in terms of presentation, not actual plot) and while those are respectible shows in their own right, I felt spoiled that the first season was portrayed more... well, almost emotionally. I don't get that this season, and I pray that it gets better.
 
Listening to Sylar's little speech to Peter during the scene where he explains how to use his ability, it made me think: Does Sylar's power of knowing how things work also help make him a master strategist? Just listen to what he says to Peter in that scene:

Sylar said:
Listen to it. Like a symphony every piece has its part all coming together in perfect harmony. If you can understand the complexities of a watch, you can understand anything. Everything. Cause-Effect. Action-Reaction. How to change the future.

So if he's a master under standing cause and effect, could he not use this in manipulating people or events? Could this whole "good" side to Sylar be a manipulation in order to cause the desired effects he's looking to achieve?

Is this all...part of Sylar's plan?
 
That's what I'm thinking. He's still a jerk and playing puppet master in order to get more powers. He just HAPPENS to be on the hunt for level 5 mutants (**** it. What else are they?)? I think he was hunting them this whole time. The Company just got him that much closer to his goal.
 
great episode! I loved that fight 4 years in the future. Peter is finally using his powers better. Future Claire is bit stupid though. If you wanna kill Peter, shoot him before he sees you. Don't come walking in giving a speech and all that. Just one thing i hate: the hunger. Since when is "the hunger" Sylar's excuse for killing? :huh: And why on earth would Peter suddenly feel "the hunger" and saw people's heads of to take their power? THE GUY ALREADY ABSORBS ALL THE POWERS AROUND HIM! He can literally absorb powers in his sleep. Other than that, great episode. I'm glad Adam's back :woot: He needs to stuff his sword down Hiro's chubby troath.
 
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great episode! I loved that fight 4 years in the future. Peter is finally using his powers better. Future Claire is bit stupid though. If you wanna kill Peter, shoot him before he sees you. Don't come walking in giving a speech and all that. Just one thing i hate: the hunger. Since when is "the hunger" Sylar's excuse for killing? :huh: And why on earth would Peter suddenly feel "the hunger" and saw people's heads of to take their power? THE GUY ALREADY ABSORBS ALL THE POWERS AROUND HIM! He can literally absorb powers in his sleep. Other than that, great episode. I'm glad Adam's back :woot: He needs to stuff his sword down Hiro's chubby troath.

He may absorb them and be able to use them, but Sylar's power would give him a complete understanding of them, which was originally one of his big problems.
 
care to explain where and how you got to this conclusion, please?

Lets see...

1) Sylar named the child after Claire's father

2) Sylar owned Claire's dog.

3) Claire said "This used to be mine," (in regards to the house Sylar was living in).

4) Sylar's whole, "I never meant to hurt you," speech towards her.

The implication was definitely there that Claire and Sylar hooked up.
 
Listening to Sylar's little speech to Peter during the scene where he explains how to use his ability, it made me think: Does Sylar's power of knowing how things work also help make him a master strategist? Just listen to what he says to Peter in that scene:



So if he's a master under standing cause and effect, could he not use this in manipulating people or events? Could this whole "good" side to Sylar be a manipulation in order to cause the desired effects he's looking to achieve?

Is this all...part of Sylar's plan?

Clearly Sylar is capable of being a good person and it is even a possible future for him (I really doubt he had a son, only to manipulate events so his son would die and he would have an excuse to blow up). Whether present Sylar is acting or not, who knows?
 
Lets see...

1) Sylar named the child after Claire's father

2) Sylar owned Claire's dog.

3) Claire said "This used to be mine," (in regards to the house Sylar was living in).

4) Sylar's whole, "I never meant to hurt you," speech towards her.

The implication was definitely there that Claire and Sylar hooked up.

It just sounded to me that Sylar took everything away from Claire that she had. Sylar came in and charmed the pants off of HRG and family. Claire obviously wasnt ok with it and left and embraced Nathan as her father more.
 
I'm not understanding why people are saying Sylar's "hunger" is stupid. To me it would be stupid if his whole motivation was to just be special. If it was the other way around everyone would be saying he needs to quit being an emo crybaby. All it would take is someone with the power to give him a hug.

Also, I didn't see any implication at all that Gabriel's child was Claire's. I thought it was pretty clear that Gabriel was paying homage to HRG by naming his kid after him. The only time Claire even acknowledged the child is when she threatened to kill him. She said Sylar took everything from her. He had her house, her dog and was living the normal life that she's always wanted. I'm guessing she thinks he even took her father from her.

This is what I imagined happened. Sylar and HRG became partners and friends. HRG helps Sylar control his power and hunger. Claire has taken off to do her superhero thing and comes to resent and hate HRG for helping Sylar.

At some point HRG gets killed and maybe Sylar feels guilty. HRG's family has either moved on or is killed also. Sylar has a child with an as yet unnamed woman and names their kid after HRG. He moves into the Bennent house and tries to live a normal life.

It probably won't happen anything like that but that is what I thought when I saw future Sylar. Not once did I ever think the child was Claire's.
 
Sylar wanting to be special isn't stupid. It was carefully explained in season 1. His grandfather was a watchmaker, his father was a watchmaker and he too became a watchmaker. It wasn't fulfilling for him. He thought his family and his life were too plain, he wanted to stand out, do something extraordinary, be someone important, be special. Combine that with the fact that his mother was constantly telling him that he could do so much better and Sylar has a good motivation. When Chandra told him he had an ability, Sylar was thrilled and though he actually was special. That is until Chandra started to doubt that he actually had an ability.

Sylar saw these people with abilities as special and most of them didn't even want to the abilities they had. They wanted to be normal. That is why he took those abilities. Just look at that first guy he killed. It makes him a relatable character too. A lot of people want to be special, important and be rememberd for something extraordinary.
Now that sounds like a good origin for a villain but then the all of sudden the writers threw all that out of the window. Now it's "the hunger" that drives Sylar and makes him want to kill. That is just so lame and certainely not as interesting as him wanting to be special.
 

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