Chapter 46 - "Our Father" - Discussion Thread 12/08/2008

[flash13]

better than last weeks episode

 

[sethcohen]

I assume that Hiro was meant to go back in time. Therefore didn't change anything as he was supposed to have gotten the "light".

I loved the Episode, other than Sylar being the Comedy of the ep. The Hiro/Mother scene was very touching, and so was Claire and Noah talking.

The one thing that bothered me about it was Arther going back in time to steal the "Light". Couldn't they let Hiro be the Hero for one freaking episode instead of 5 minutes later taking it?

It would have been more touching if Hiro just decided to stay in the past on his own accord, and he sends Claire back to the Present. He could have tried to connect with his father, or attend the funeral of his mother. It was a cheap shot to have Arther show up like that.

more childish writing... "and then oh oh i know! arthur shows up! ya! and he steals hiros power and throws him off the roof! ya!"

 

[Hush]

Was I the only one who liked Sylar tonight? I mean come on "this won't hurt a bit, oops you got me." Then "mmmm cake." The elevator scene was just amazing as well. "It does tingle a bit." He was Gold tonight

 

[Spidey Rules 2]

Was I the only one who liked Sylar tonight? I mean come on "this won't hurt a bit, oops you got me." Then "mmmm cake." The elevator scene was just amazing as well. "It does tingle a bit." He was Gold tonight

Those were great scenes!

Hey any chance of getting a Sylar smilie? He can stand with a different smilie and cut the top of his head off. t:

 

[Dr. Evil]

It was a pretty good episode, but I agree, Arthur Petrelli was miscast here. Nothing against Robert Forster (he was great in Jackie Brown), but he didn't have that "bad guy super-villain" vibe to me.

 

[javphonic]

I think Robert Forster was well cast in the role, he does look like Nathan and I got an evil vibe from him, every time I saw him on screen, well IMO

 

[SatEL]

Slightly of topic but this had me cracking up.

 

[Sawyer]

I have to say that this weeks episode was a huge step up from last weeks, just for the fact that it was actually watchable. I loved Hiro's last scene of him hanging off the banister in 1992. Curious to see how that works itself out.

 

[stillanerd]

I gotta say, aside from Sylar's antics I generally enjoyed this episode...but on a show where taking a piss the wrong way or any other tiny action in the past leads to post-apocolyptic futures, does anyone else find it absurd that Claire and Hiro can completely alter where the Company puts something so important (a grown Hiro, someone who is for all intents and purposes a total stranger to people in that time period) and yet somehow everything is fine in the present?

Claire didn't have her powers as a result of being the catalyst. She developed her powers naturally, she just held the catalyst in addition to that.

Claire, as we found out in this episode, never was the catalyst. She only assumed she was after remembering Sylar's comment about how she was "special." Remember Angela's comment to Hiro earlier in the season about him being "the light?" That was a clue that not only was the Cataylst Hiro's mom but that he would become the Catalyst.

we dont even know that, we just assumed she did...maybe she never was the catalyst?

the only issue i see with that is why then is she "special" or "different from the rest" like sylar said in the first episode of this season

Exactly. Claire only assumed she was the catalyst but she never was because Hiro and Claire went back in time and prevented it from happening. The reason why Claire is "different from the rest" according to Sylar is because she can never die unlike his other victims.

 

[stillanerd]

I have to say that this weeks episode was a huge step up from last weeks, just for the fact that it was actually watchable. I loved Hiro's last scene of him hanging off the banister in 1992. Curious to see how that works itself out.

My theory is that Hiro encounters his father, tells him who he is, and then stays in the past for awhile, having undergone further training as a swordsman and, gradually, got his powers back. How? Well, consider that Arthur, when he erases memories, doesn't actually remove them completely. There still there but it took a healer to restore them, as was the case with Angela and Hiro. My guess is that his "power theft" works in a similar way. After all, we know that the powers originate from the brain. And if Arthur merely prevents certain memories from being accessed by "erasing" and "altering" memories, then perhaps he also prevents them from accessing their own powers while copying them for himself.

 

[sethcohen]

what if arthur never actually stole an ability? what if his original ability is the same as peter's and he actually just uses an ability like the parkmans to make them believe that he not only borrowed their abilities, he outright stole them...

on a side note, does it bug anyone else how arthur just seems to use ever ability like he's had it for years and had time to become an expert?

 

[chaseter]

Is that not were Claire would have originally gotten her healing power from? Since Hiro took on his mother's power instead of baby Claire isn't she now powerless & trapted in the past? Maybe we will get to see a Claire next week that is either 33 or 34 years old if she survives the 16 year age gap between the past & the future powers or not.

No. The light was something else. Claire was special from the beginning as her mom and dad had powers as well. Add to that, if she went back in time and changed the past to not give herself powers...then she wouldn't have had powers the entire time of this whole show.

 

[chaseter]

Still...a major change to the past has had no effect on the future? It is all just a bit too much considering this show has established that taking a piss the wrong way will lead to Manhattan being blown up.

Time travel is always a touchy subject. That is why they need Dr. Hubert J. Farnsworth's paradox correcting time bubble.

But I guess technically Claire was never the catalyst and Hiro was. In Season 1, they said that HRG had been hiding Claire from the company and lying about her having powers so that sort of goes in line with everything. Plus, I am sure Hiro's dad came back into the room after calling HRG and found his wife dead and figured the catalyst was lost for good so they dropped it at that point.

Here is an even bigger brain bender...would present HRG not think that the odd girl that helped his baby looked a lot like his daughter in the present?

 

[SuBe]

Time travel is always a touchy subject. That is why they need Dr. Hubert J. Farnsworth's paradox correcting time bubble.

But I guess technically Claire was never the catalyst and Hiro was. In Season 1, they said that HRG had been hiding Claire from the company and lying about her having powers so that sort of goes in line with everything. Plus, I am sure Hiro's dad came back into the room after calling HRG and found his wife dead and figured the catalyst was lost for good so they dropped it at that point.

Here is an even bigger brain bender...would present HRG not think that the odd girl that helped his baby looked a lot like his daughter in the present?

Maybe he knew all along. Does Noah know about Hiro at this point? He could easily figure Claire went back in time.

 

[CrimsonDeath]

I think Robert Forster was well cast in the role, he does look like Nathan and I got an evil vibe from him, every time I saw him on screen, well IMO

I agree with you completely, the only thing I wish to know is why did Arthur want whatever it is he wanted to achieve. I get that he wanted powers, but in what way did he intend to save the world?

Another thing, I guess future Good Sylar is no more? That future changed and is gone for good? If so, how can Peter now be sure that the Apocalypse is still on? How much has the future changed?

 

[Matt]

Maybe he knew all along. Does Noah know about Hiro at this point? He could easily figure Claire went back in time.

Maybe he does, but never the less...we as the audience shouldn't have to fill in these blanks.

 

[YourBrokenAmp]

sorry if this has been asked... but how did arthur die? yes i know he got shot, but shouldn't he just be able to heal after the hatian left?

 

[Magenta666]

sorry if this has been asked... but how did arthur die? yes i know he got shot, but shouldn't he just be able to heal after the hatian left?

Spoiler

he was shot in the head, destroying his brain and therefore the access to his power...just like when claire got the branch and when peter got the glass...both cut off the brain

 

[YourBrokenAmp]

Spoiler

he was shot in the head, destroying his brain and therefore the access to his power...just like when claire got the branch and when peter got the glass...both cut off the brain

so technically, all someone has to do is remove the bullet and arthur would heal and be alive then right?

 

[Magenta666]

...pretty much

 

[Tyrinus]

Time travel is always a touchy subject. That is why they need Dr. Hubert J. Farnsworth's paradox correcting time bubble.

But I guess technically Claire was never the catalyst and Hiro was. In Season 1, they said that HRG had been hiding Claire from the company and lying about her having powers so that sort of goes in line with everything. Plus, I am sure Hiro's dad came back into the room after calling HRG and found his wife dead and figured the catalyst was lost for good so they dropped it at that point.

Here is an even bigger brain bender...would present HRG not think that the odd girl that helped his baby looked a lot like his daughter in the present?

You try remembering a person's face you saw for 10 minutes 16 years later and see how well you do.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

haha chase you just got pwnd.

 

[chaseter]

You try remembering a person's face you saw for 10 minutes 16 years later and see how well you do.

If they do something extremely important or kind for you...how is that hard She was with Sandra for hours apparently and HRG doesn't forget anything

haha chase you just got pwnd.

 

[Asgard]

Did Arthur wipe Hiro's mind before or after he started using Isaac's abilities?

 

[Matt]

haha chase you just got pwnd.

Not really. This is the man who was able to telepathically describe floor plans by memory to Matt Parkman.