Chapter 38- “I Am Become Death” – Discussion Thread 10/6/08

this episode was awesome. Not as awesome as last week, but still.

That entire sequence with peter, future sylar, future claire, future daphne, and future evil black dude, was awesome. My jaw drop when they killed the kid. And then when sylar exploded in anger (literally).....man. That is great television.

I still hate matt in africa. Really boring. Though, i'm interested in finding out how and if he really does end up with daphne.

Mohinder gone wild? Snooze.

Fake nikki? Snooze.

Nathan seeing things? Snooze.

No hrg? Boo! :down

peter confronting sylar at the end? Nice.

The haitian getting the job done? Nicer.

Future mr. Muggles? Nicest.

Good stuff tonight.

knox
 
Of course it's just me and not the show... cause when there's a formula to give powers and super smart super powered people, they couldn't easily make a serum to give the powers they want.



Clearly they needed Micah's power. It was a breeding program to make Micah.

The serum made doesn't have a power in it, it's just a serum and based on the person it's injected into determines the power. It's not like they could've just made a technopathy serum.
 
Even though there were some obvious areas where things really, REALLY felt like deja va all over again (a character from the past trapped in another nightmare future, a nuclear explosion, Nathan being President) I kinda dug this episode. Not to mention that events have really moved while leaving behind enough interesting questions.

For instance, it's an interesting angle that people born with powers are against those who were artificially given powers and that it would essentially be something used as a form of weaponization and actually increase crime. Of course, the whole concept was played out in the Earth-X miniseries, but it certainly is a unique way of bringing about an apocalypse.

What I found really amusing, however, were the future versions of the characters. For example, kudos to those who said that it was Daphne that Matt was holding in the painting, and the fact that she turns out to be his second wife, which I got to say is an interesting couple to say the least, not to mention that Molly has been officially adopted by them. Likewise, I got a real laugh when Tracy was revealed to be the first lady right after we cut from their first make out session. Claire of the future has really become a stone cold witch with a b, and her partner being Knox is certainly intriguing. And then of course, there was Sylar, or rather Gabriel, and his son. Question is, who is little Noah's mother? I'm guessing it's probably Elle, but if so, what happened to her? Better not be Claire since that would just be all kinds of wrong.

Speaking of Future Gabriel, it was kind of amusing seeing him be all Ozzie Harriet in the beginning, and then understand that he's barely hanging on to what shred of sanity he's got left for the sake of his son. Plus, Zachary Qunito really sold the idea that he has to keep his "hunger" in check, not to mention gave a very good explanation as to how his base power works to Peter. Even so, I still do not like the idea that it's his powers and not his own psychological need to be special that made Sylar a serial killer. It's much, much too lazy to go that route.

Speaking of Peter, they are obviously, the show is further emphasizing the notion of blurring the lines between hero and villian even moreso this season with Peter now acquiring Sylar's inate ability to understand how things work. Again, and this bares repeating, I do not like the idea that this ability makes one into a homicial maniac, but does result in a good "shocker" moment when Peter kills a future version of his brother via going into Sylar mode. And I also like the angle that both himself and Future Peter may have worsened events out of their need to save the world. Although, why didn't Peter already have this power from Sylar already? After all, he was able to absorb the power of the level 5 pyrokinesis guy and he was stuck in the body of someone else, so why not Sylar's base ability? I guess, because Sylar had absorbed so many powers it was buried under a bunch of others making it hard for Peter to find. Still, it did seem odd since the whole plot of the episode revolved around this.

Another person they're obviously doing this with is MohinDUH! whose turning more into Brundlefly. Or maybe the Lizard, as the future version of himself appeared to have scales on his hands and kept making hissing noises. Then again, maybe he was turning into a half-human half cockroach, since there were some scurring about the lab. Anyway, it seems apparent that he might have ended up killing the abusive husband, so once again, the lines between good and evil are blurred once again.

It was also refreshing to see that Hiro and Ando's friendship is now restored once more as the whole "I don't trust you because your future self killed me" tension appears to have quelled, not to mention it was a great moment in nerddom when Ando stood up to Angela to defend Hiro--way to go! Plus, I'm certainly interested in the apparent Hiro and Adam team-up. Considering what Angela ended up seeing in her dream, you know it's not going to go well, yet oddly enough she's the one who told Hiro to dig him back up.

Also, I'm so glad they didn't go the clone route with Tracy. Although, one has to wonder who is Barbara? What's her power in contrast with Niki and Tracy's? And have all the Company's kids had their DNA manipulated to give them powers? According the preview [blackout]Not only were Niki, Tracy, and their third (!) sister has their genes manipulated at birth, but so too were Nathan's.[/blackout]

And next weeks preview looks pretty good as well. All and all, a pretty good episode I'd say.
 
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Alright, time to show exactly why Heroes sucks now.

Daphne. She died in the future. It was such a sad moment how Matt wants her to slow down but instead she ends up dying in his arms "Because I wasn't fast enough"....

Healing blood. That's right.... healing blood. The Company knows about it, Claire has it... so the Company of the future should have a stash of it ready to heal their agents (if they are half as smart and half as devious as we're supposed to believe) at a moment's notice because as they already know, their agents have a horrible trend of just dying or getting horribly hurt.

But Daphne dies... in one of the most awesome scenes ever (which Heroes seems to have a lot more of)... if season two didn't happen and we didn't know there was healing blood.... and we didn't know that the wonderful Company knew.

Also, there's the thing of Knox not just breaking Sylar's neck with his super strength instead of just punching him around and accidentally killing a kid. But heck, I loved having a super power brawl that ends in a nuclear explosion.
 
Sylar would have just healed from a broken neck, so that wouldnt have made sense. Sylar releasing this kept up rage was awesome.
 
So was I the only one who saw this Noah kid and immediately thought "That's an age-reduced HRG!"

Seriously. I don't see him being Claire's son. But I CAN see him being HRG Noah who's been de-aged back to an innocent little kid who has Gabriel raise and protect him for some reason. And Gabriel sort of adopts him as a father much like Claire was adopted by HRG and was her "father".




And as for the powers: I think some were given/implanted to some of the characters artificially, while others inherited them from their power-implanted parents. I think this having-a-power thing can be hereditary. So some of the offspring will have powers of their own. Maybe Peter and Sylar inherited powers but Nathan did not, so they "gave" him a power artificially.

Think Spider-Man and Spider-Girl. Peter Parker was given powers while Mayday inherited them. :)
 
This episodes depiction of Sylar is exactly what I have longed for. Some depth finally. I was so disgusted I couldn't stan dit when he just went immediately back to sociopath mode on Jesse. This episode showed he can grow. He can have depth. He can be more than some stupid deus ex machina unstoppable killer character. I loved it. The entire scene in the future made me completely fall in love with this show again.
 
Sylar would have just healed from a broken neck, so that wouldnt have made sense. Sylar releasing this kept up rage was awesome.

Or he could have just ripped Sylar's head off... like he did to Claire in Angela's dream. But I wasn't really arguing that.


My main point was about Daphne.
 
Ok I am not loving this whole "we gave you your ability" crap. First Niki/Tracey/Babs, now Nathan. Who else?

perhaps all of them hence kaito talking about the search for 'true blood'
 
It can't be everyone that was given powers, Adam had is powers years before the formula was even thought of.
 
I like last nights ep...but do we need yet another Sylar going nuclear storyline?

I know Knox was killed in the explosion but how did Peter survive; with Clairs powers...?
 
What is with the confusion with Tracy? Is it really that confusing?

Tracy, Niki, and Barbra were three genetically altered triplets. They were seperated at birth. Niki went to go live with the Sanders family who already had a daughter named Jessica. Jessica was abused as a child and eventually killed by her father. Niki, traumatized by this, created different personalities to deal. These included Jessica, the crazy and angry one, and Gina, the childish one. Niki dies in the fire to save Monica.

Tracy is the character that is on the show now. Barbras whereabouts are unknown.
 
Where did everyone pull the name 'Barbara' from?

Is there some sort of interview/preview/etc where that name is mentioned?
 
who knows maybe we'll get to see Future Mohinder at some point later in the season. it's always possible. I was kinda interested to see Future Sylar turn into basically what HRG was. since he sporting horn rimmed glasses as well.
 
Where did everyone pull the name 'Barbara' from?

Is there some sort of interview/preview/etc where that name is mentioned?
when Zinmmerman opened the door and saw her there he called her Barbara
 
Where did everyone pull the name 'Barbara' from?

Is there some sort of interview/preview/etc where that name is mentioned?
at the end of last episode
 
when i saw Nathan and Tracy together in the future, I had this weird feeling that mayb eit was Barbara. LIke maybe she's the craziest, toughest one of the three. Anyway, I'm glad to finally know a litle more about what exactly happened with the whole Nikki/Jessice/Tracy thing.
 
This was the best episode since Company Man. I thouroughly enjoyed it and it made me remember why Sylar is up there amongst my favorite characters.

[BLACKOUT]Killing lil' Noah[/BLACKOUT] really shocked me and Gabriel's rage afterwards was one fantastic piece of television.
 
Also did anyone notice the photograph in Zimmerman's house? He IS related to 'The German'.
 
i think it could be linderman....but its probably is arthur.
Hmmm I don't think it looked or sounded much like Linderman.

I thought Clair was about to give Peter the scar on his face when she was torturing him.
 
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I like last nights ep...but do we need yet another Sylar going nuclear storyline?

I know Knox was killed in the explosion but how did Peter survive; with Clairs powers...?

Yup, which means that future Sylar should have survived that too.
 
The episode was the best one of season 3, but it counts for naught. As a story this has failed so long ago and continues to do so - but as television entertainment? I think it might be possible to continue this forever. Why? Because they've adopted the great comic book way of undermining every decision and action that's more or less in the past. If nothing stands for or means anything, it can all be changed in all ways imagineable, and that's what they're shoveling.

Some like, some don't.

I opt to not to waste my time anymore.
 
Also did anyone notice the photograph in Zimmerman's house? He IS related to 'The German'.

I'll have to rewatch it and check that out. It probably won't be retouched on, since the German's dead... unless there are multiple Germans.
 

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