Chapter 38- “I Am Become Death” – Discussion Thread 10/6/08

I agree. The hunger pretty much makes him a vampire and, as cool as that is, it's not as good as the original motivation. Sure they can say the hunger only pushed him or developed after a while but with Peter immediately feeling it that goes out the window. It was really just a way of keeping him interesting after he finally got Claire's powers, making himself omnipotent (well until he gets his hands on Haitian).
 
Sylar wanting to be special isn't stupid. It was carefully explained in season 1. His grandfather was a watchmaker, his father was a watchmaker and he too became a watchmaker. It wasn't fulfilling for him. He thought his family and his life were too plain, he wanted to stand out, do something extraordinary, be someone important, be special. Combine that with the fact that his mother was constantly telling him that he could do so much better and Sylar has a good motivation. When Chandra told him he had an ability, Sylar was thrilled and though he actually was special. That is until Chandra started to doubt that he actually had an ability.

Sylar saw these people with abilities as special and most of them didn't even want to the abilities they had. They wanted to be normal. That is why he took those abilities. Just look at that first guy he killed. It makes him a relatable character too. A lot of people want to be special, important and be rememberd for something extraordinary.
Now that sounds like a good origin for a villain but then the all of sudden the writers threw all that out of the window. Now it's "the hunger" that drives Sylar and makes him want to kill. That is just so lame and certainely not as interesting as him wanting to be special.

Well said and I'm in complete agreement. Season 1 already and explained why Sylar became a serial killer of people with abilities quite well, and it was psychologically complex and what made him such a stand out villain on the show to begin with. They didn't need to add on an additional rationale by saying his ability to understand how things work also gives him a complusion to "take things apart" so to speak, and thus weaken him by making him into an "anti-hero."
 
I agree. They are trying to make him the victim. This pretty much contradicts EVERYTHING that's been shown/told to us about Slyar in the past two seasons.
 
I agree. They are trying to make him the victim. This pretty much contradicts EVERYTHING that's been shown/told to us about Slyar in the past two seasons.
the creators have been very vocal about the fact that this season is all about blurring the lines between what's supposed to be "good" and "evil", you know, breaking absolutes apart, delving more into the "morally grey" aspect of things. so that means all characters' actions and motivations are up in the air
 
I thought this new Sylar's hunger story angle was to make him seem less like a villain, just like the future showed, if he had had help in the beginning or had been in a better mental state, maybe he wouldn't have been a killer at all
heroes becoming villains and vica versa
 
I don't think it's entirely accurate to call Sylar a "victim" of anything. Showing him in the future, caring for young Noah proves that with the proper motivation, Sylar can control his "urge." In the present, Sylar chooses not to fight the urge at all. He is the equivalent of a drug addict who chooses to continue using. So yes, he has an unfortunate condition, but ultimately the blame and responsibility for murdering other gifted individuals is not washed away.
 
Clearly Sylar is capable of being a good person and it is even a possible future for him (I really doubt he had a son, only to manipulate events so his son would die and he would have an excuse to blow up). Whether present Sylar is acting or not, who knows?

His "son"'s maybe an unforseen effect that Sylar didn't expect to happen. Perhaps Peter's jumping into the future and going to Sylar's house was another "stepping on a butterfly" that Sylar couldn not forsee coming. A crack in his "plan", if you will?
 
i really liked the ep. butttt this is a problem for me i know someone already said this but
peters base power is to gain other supers abilities . sylars is to understand things like say....supers and there powers.. so really peter doesnt even have to cut anyone's head at all ..so he can just go along absorbing powers and be ready to use them with great skill.. and i guess you can say he wants to know everything .well he can read minds and time travel for that to.dont get y the hunger should really affect him at all
 
Loved the episode. Loved all the future scenes. How did Peter and co escape the exploding Sylar? Loved the grave digging scene haha!
 
They didn't escape. Speed Woman got killed. Remember Peter and Claire both have healing abilities. Peter healed himself after he exploded in Volume 1 season finale, so he should be able to do it here. Its pretty much the same thing, since Peter can do it ovbiously Claire can do it to. I don't know what happened to Syler, maybe he surrvived and they didn't catch him becuase he wasn't who they were after. I mean Syler should have had the healing ability as well. He took Claires after all.
 
Lets see...

1) Sylar named the child after Claire's father

2) Sylar owned Claire's dog.

3) Claire said "This used to be mine," (in regards to the house Sylar was living in).

4) Sylar's whole, "I never meant to hurt you," speech towards her.

The implication was definitely there that Claire and Sylar hooked up.

Perspective is fascinating...I look at that list of things and see absolutely nothing that would imply that.
 
Perspective is fascinating...I look at that list of things and see absolutely nothing that would imply that.

I have to agree:

1. Sylar named the kid after his former partner. (That is if the kid was even biologically his.)

2. Sylar owned a dog that was at the very least the same breed as Mr. Muggles. Did we hear Sylar call him "Mr. Muggles"?

3. Claire said "this used to be mine" in regards to the house...because it did. :huh: Just look at the present time.

4. Sylar's "I never meant to hurt you" was probably because he didn't want to hurt anyone at that point in his life, it seems.


I'm not saying Matt's definitely wrong...I just don't see it likely that Sylar and Claire had a kid together, and I don't see any reason to believe so.
 
I've got a theory on the kid. It might be a little out there, but...

The kid is HRG. Someone out there has the ability to alter the age of others and turns HRG into a newborn, that Sylar (for some reason) decides to take care of. Four years down the line, HRG believes Sylar to be his father and Sylar learns to love the kid like his own son.
 
That just makes it better. We both thought that independantly from each other. :) :up:

But yes, I can definitely see that happening.
 
Why those descriptions never match the episode?
 
Why does future Peter have a scar and why is he dead? He was shot in the chest.
 
Why people are still failing to see that Tim Kring is a one-trick-pony like Chris Carter and that Heroes already jumped the shark and we're only watching it out of pity?
 
Why people are still failing to see that Tim Kring is a one-trick-pony like Chris Carter and that Heroes already jumped the shark and we're only watching it out of pity?

One-trick-pony? Nay...

Panderer to the lowest common denominator to make the show cool and 'awesome'? Yea...

Everyone should have seen it coming when their excuse of altering Pete's and Sylar's voices were "it was cool"...
 
Why those descriptions never match the episode?

Because they release the descriptions up front, then sometimes go back and reedit the show to cut out points that end up not correlating or flowing with the story at hand.

They've been doing that since season one.
 
Why does future Peter have a scar and why is he dead? He was shot in the chest.

Well Future Peter didn't heal from what I saw Haitan was there in the background. Peter can't use any powers with him there like he couldn't in Volume 2. We don't know if Peter has his powers, I'm pretty sure the producers confirmed he didn't.
 

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