Chapter 59 - "An Invisible Thread" Discussion Thread - 4/27/09

[Hush]

I thought that scene where Sylar was talking about claire trying to kill him and such was really good though.

 

[StrainedEyes]

Here's a question I have: what the hell was the point of Tracy popping up at the end?!

It was supposed to get us excited about the riveting story line of the next season...

 

[Hush]

Here's a question I have: what the hell was the point of Tracy popping up at the end?!

To prove that contracts are never broken for sake of story!

 

[Krozee]

I might be one of the only ones who actually likes the idea of Sylar being Nathan. I've come to expect close to nothing from heroes (notice i dont even capitalize the 'h'), and im just along for the stupid plot-holed ride. the writers must be on meth or something cuz the plot-holes are huge and ridiculous, but oh well let's just try to enjoy it for what it is. we've put 3 seasons into this show, might as well stick around.

 

[stillanerd]

So, how does Heroes keep Sylar on the show and yet not have him show up all the time (since Zachary Quinto is probably trying to expand his acting career)? Why kill off Nathan--the guy who probably should have died in the first season anyway--and then through a combination of Matt's telepathy and Sylar's own shapeshifting and memory gaining from objects, make him into Nathan (or is it Sythan? Nylar?).

Anyways, it's a nice twist and makes for some pretty interesting possibilities to come out of it. There were, however, two glaring flaws. First, why couldn't Angela and HRG have Peter temporally impersonate Nathan and have him convince the President to shut down Building 26 until they could decide what to do about Nathan? After all, he's absorbed all of Sylar's powers now. Or better yet, why not have Claire donate some of her blood? Has the show forgotten that Claire's blood is capable of bringing the dead back to life--including HRG after he got shot in the face! Oh, right, Season 2 sucked, so the better to forget that "Generations" ever happened, the better.

Also, what's the deal with Hiro? We get this big deal about how Hiro's body is rejecting his powers, to the point where it looks like he had an annuerism, and then at the end, he appears fine. So I guess this is how they're going to further limit Hiro's time stopping abilities, then. If he uses them too much or for too long, he could die! Then again, maybe some fans would like that?

Still, there were some great moments, such as the very creepy scene where Sylar mentally manipulates Claire like that puppet master guy, which probably made those writers of Sylar and Claire romance fanfic very happy, the sickos. And I got a kick out of Nathan revealing his powers and he and Peter bonding in brotherly love at last as they proceeded to take down Sylar together. To bad they had to ruin the moment by, once again, not showing the actual fight between Peter, Nathan, and Sylar, literally closing the doors on us and providing a light show through the cracks. Of course, Nathan's death scene was very intense, as was Angela's reaction when she found his body.

As for the cliffhanger for Volume 5, it was kind of meh. Wasn't that impressed that Tracy is alive, or apparently it's ANOTHER Niki clone, and apparently has become like a female Hydro-Man (and you got to love the fact that this provides the show opportunties and fan-service to show shots of Ali Carter fully naked and get away with it since it's not "real." ). Not to mention they hammered the point that Sylar hasn't been completely contained.

Still, not a bad way to end the season. I'd have to say that it's pretty obvious that once Jeph Loeb was taken off and Byran Fuller came back, the series improved tremendously. If only this had happened much, much sooner.

 

[RonStoppablefan]

Exactly, same with Claire, so once again we will have to endure another Noah lies to Claire story line and another Angela lies to Peter story line.

Also, is it me or is it a tad creepy that Claire's would-be-rapist is now posing as her father?

Yes all Volumes have the same endings with this show.

-Nathan dies
-Noah lies to Claire
-More lies from Angela

Next Volume stay tuned

-Claire fights with her father about more lies agian.
-Peter will disown his mom.
-Peter will find out Nathan isn't really Nathan.
-More Peter/Sylars showdown.
-Every one will think Peters gone crazy for thinking Sylar is Nathan till they all see it for themselves, well except Noah/Matt/HRG cuz they know the truth. Than they'll have to do some thing about Peter for knowing bum bum bum.
-Claire will find out after Peter and start to realize she can't trust her own father and go down a very dark path.
-Peter/Matt team up more to stop all of this. Matt does it cuz he starts to feel real guilty and wants it off him.
-Hiro goes crazy for not being able to use his ability and will keep saying but it is my destiny till the show dies.

There I bet my predictions come true. Heck I knew Nathan would be the one to die and I was right sad about it but right.

 

[YoungE808]

Don't forget a future episode being in there.

And really...the Claire/Blood thing has been answered in this thread multiple times.

 

[Primal Slayer]

And really...the Claire/Blood thing has been answered in this thread multiple times.

Tell me about it..I dont see why its so hard to grasp that Claires blood cant bring someone back who is already dead, who basically bled to death and was dead for most likely 30 mins before Claire even got there.

And why do these volumes always start out very good but then just go completely downhill from there...

 

[Matt]

Tell me about it..I dont see why its so hard to grasp that Claires blood cant bring someone back who is already dead, who basically bled to death and was dead for most likely 30 mins before Claire even got there.

And why do these volumes always start out very good but then just go completely downhill from there...

umm, because it can bring people back from the dead? HRG was transported from San Verde (a fictional southern California town based on Santa Barbara) to Odessa Texas before he was given Claire's blood. A direct flight from Santa Barbara to Odessa would be roughly 3 to 3 and a half hours...yet HRG was still able to be revived. Don't see why Nathan couldn't be after thirty minutes. Its bad writing and I'm not sure how anyone can defend it.

 

[shoelessthunder]

Yes all Volumes have the same endings with this show.

-Nathan dies
-Noah lies to Claire
-More lies from Angela

Next Volume stay tuned

-Claire fights with her father about more lies agian.
-Peter will disown his mom.
-Peter will find out Nathan isn't really Nathan.
-More Peter/Sylars showdown.
-Every one will think Peters gone crazy for thinking Sylar is Nathan till they all see it for themselves, well except Noah/Matt/HRG cuz they know the truth. Than they'll have to do some thing about Peter for knowing bum bum bum.
-Claire will find out after Peter and start to realize she can't trust her own father and go down a very dark path.
-Peter/Matt team up more to stop all of this. Matt does it cuz he starts to feel real guilty and wants it off him.
-Hiro goes crazy for not being able to use his ability and will keep saying but it is my destiny till the show dies.

There I bet my predictions come true. Heck I knew Nathan would be the one to die and I was right sad about it but right.

LOL. Right? Seriously.

Honestly, I was kinda hoping we'd finally have a good finale for once. Until I saw 1961, then I knew we were screwed.
I mean, sure, some cool stuff happened.
But why would they bother to ACTUALLY have Peter and Sylar facing off...clearly with abilities being utilized heavily...and have it happen RIGHT OFF CAMERA?! HELLO?! Christ, this seriously felt like it was specifically done to piss us off.

Heroes Writing Staff: So, yeah, let's have Nathan and Peter flying around fighting Sylar, we'll imply lots of use of electricity and probably TK too. Oh yeah, and the fans don't get to see. BUT CLAIRE DOES! Take that, fanbase.

Honestly, I did not want to be one of these people. I tried so hard this season, but, alas, here I go...
This show sucks now. Really.

 

[Matt]

He didn't bleed out and it was done quickly enough to restore him to life. Nathan bled out and no longer had any blood flowing through his body.

HRG was shot in California and revived at Primatech in Texas. He was dead far longer than Nathan

 

[shoelessthunder]

umm, because it can bring people back from the dead? HRG was transported from San Verde (a fictional southern California town based on Santa Barbara) to Odessa Texas before he was given Claire's blood. A direct flight from Santa Barbara to Odessa would be roughly 3 to 3 and a half hours...yet HRG was still able to be revived. Don't see why Nathan couldn't be after thirty minutes. Its bad writing and I'm not sure how anyone can defend it.

I don't know because I don't read them, but I've seen people say that they addressed this in one of the GN's.
No idea why they would do that, but...
Oh wait, yeah I do. It's because it's lazy, sloppy, poor writing and when they do something on the show that backs them into a corner, they act like it never happened.

Like I said, I don't really read the GN's so I don't know for sure but I think that it's either something about non-regenerators only being able to be healed by that method one time? And Nathan already has been once with Adam's blood, or....I don't know it might be something else.
Either way, that's really a copout to mention it in a GN.
It would've been a copout if they bothered to throw in a line on the show that explained it. And they didn't even both to do that.

 

[Matt]

Agreed. To rely on a plot device that's not even on the show, but through supplementary material and a weak one that really doesn't make sense at that is just cheap, bad writing.

 

[WillardNation]

First, why couldn't Angela and HRG have Peter temporally impersonate Nathan and have him convince the President to shut down Building 26 until they could decide what to do about Nathan? After all, he's absorbed all of Sylar's powers now.

I don't think he absorbed ALL of his powers. In the limo, Peter said, "Bet you didn't think I'd take that one." Plus he was hurt after the fight which shows he didn't have the healing ability,so I think he can still only take one power so he had to pick just one of Sylar's. I could be wrong, but that's what I got out of it.

 

[SuperT]

Although it's still stupid, the Claire/Adam blood thing was answered in one of the graphic novels for Adam.

He used it on one of his wives after she got sick with some disease. She lived for another twenty or so years, then she got sick again and he tried to use his blood on her a second time and it didn't work and she died anyway.

Either way, it was still stupid.

 

[The Lizard]

Great episode

Definitely excited for next season.

Sarcasm?

That Peter/Nathan vs Sylar battle behind the closed doors was a ludicrous slap in the face to loyal viewers. I don't think I'll be returning next season.

 

[mr. peasant]

Sarcasm?

That Peter/Nathan vs Sylar battle behind the closed doors was a ludicrous slap in the face to loyal viewers. I don't think I'll be returning next season.

It's pretty obvious the reason they did it off screen is for budgetary reasons. Effects are expensive. Blue light isn't. Had they shown it with a shoestring budget, it would've been even more disappointing, no?

And for plot predictions, be prepared for the 'real' Nathan to somehow get resurrected. Probably something weird like Sylar spewing out the DNA of the people he shapeshifted into or something. Why? Because we need the real Nathan back so that he can be killed off again at the end of next season. At this rate, Nathan dying at the end of each season is going to become the show's running gag. I think he's 'died' more times than Adam and that guy's a freaking regenerator!!

 

[The Sage]

As much as I like Sylar, if they couldn't come up with a better way to justify continuing his presenec on the show, he should've either been killed or holed away until sometime mid season the next time. Plus how could you not show Nathan and Peter battling Sylar? Even if it was Sylar ping ponging them around the room, those are moments the fans of the show want to see.

 

[CFE]

As much as I like Sylar, if they couldn't come up with a better way to justify continuing his presenec on the show, he should've either been killed or holed away until sometime mid season the next time. Plus how could you not show Nathan and Peter battling Sylar? Even if it was Sylar ping ponging them around the room, those are moments the fans of the show want to see.

I felt the EXACT same way...

What a cheat...having the doors close behind them and everything...UGH

 

[The Sage]

I felt the EXACT same way...

What a cheat...having the doors close behind them and everything...UGH

Yeah, it reminded me of that Five Years Gone episode from season one when Future Sylar and Future Peter were going at it, and they cut inside the closet or whatever and all we got to see was red and blue light flashing around the door. Would've thought they would go all out for the season finale.

 

[StrainedEyes]

Don't forget a future episode being in there.

And really...the Claire/Blood thing has been answered in this thread multiple times.

I'd like to know what the answer was, because to anyone whose watched the seasons sees it as a glaring plot hole.

HRG was dead, dead dead, as is Nathan. Just because they died different ways, doesn't make then any more or less dead.

Claires blood is a plot hole, which I'm sure they'll give some loose explanation for. It should have never been given this godly power to heal dead people in the first place (which is why they are trying to ignore it now).

 

[3 Dev Adam]

What a crappy season ending.

 

[KenK]

We're just going to have to accept that there are ALWAYS going to be inconsistencies when it comes to how everyone's powers work. Sometimes Sylar could just shapeshift his body, and had to wear the clothes of whoever he was replacing, sometimes he could shapechange the clothes, too (which is just profoundly stupid.)

 

[SuperT]

We're just going to have to accept that there are ALWAYS going to be inconsistencies when it comes to how everyone's powers work. Sometimes Sylar could just shapeshift his body, and had to wear the clothes of whoever he was replacing, sometimes he could shapechange the clothes, too (which is just profoundly stupid.)

No, we don't have to accept that there will always be inconsistencies because there shouldn't be. We shouldn't let the writers off the hook for being horrible writers we as viewers should ask that if they want our viewership they better gives up better writing.

 

[DIRECTOR]

To prove that contracts are never broken for sake of story!

because Tracey had to do alittle movie called "Obsessed", and now she is back....... By the way, I liked the scene, I was hoping for some Larter arse, but oh well...