Cinematic Civil War:MCU vs DCCU - - - - - - - - - - - Part 20

[Erzengel]

4th agree, I watched Civil War a couple of times, never felt like Tony overshadowed Cap.

 

[Flint Marko]

Count me as the fifth.

 

[titansupes]

I'll happily be the 6th wheel on the bus that Captain America drove.

 

[TeeKay]

7th on that.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Cap is the center piece in that movie, he's the one moving the plot.
So I don't see Tony as the actual star of the movie.

 

[DACrowe]

I do not agree. Stark was vital to Civil War, but I do feel the film leans Cap. I agree it is mostly an Avengers film, but Stark never felt more important than Cap to the plot. It felt like Cap was the most prominent character.

I agree, Cap was the central figure in the movie. It is Cap's actions and decisions that drive all of the action. Everyone, including Iron Man, is reacting to what Cap is doing in the film.

Let me expand on that then. Cap is the hero and he is the protagonist, but I do believe and stand firm Tony got the better role. He was the one who was put into action to drive the plot by pushing the Avengers toward the "Accords" by being confronted by the woman of a dead son, and he is also the one who appears to be reacting to the changing world around him with losing Pepper (probably more to a Disney contract dispute but still) and to getting older and seeing how the world views the Avengers.

While Cap truly loses Peggy, he never really changes. He is the same guy at the beginning of the story as he is after it, and what shifts is how Stark and the government view Cap's righteous absolutism due to Bucky. Stark has the character arc. Downey gets the best scenes to play, and when the movie is over, the one that lingers in my memory is Downey. The reason the third act is painful is Tony feels betrayed and changes his opinion on Cap and their (ended) friendship. And it is on Downey to sell that break.

 

[The Joker]

7th on that.

8th here.

 

[Erzengel]

IMDB says the runtime for JL is 170 minutes, which would be 19 minutes longer than BvS TE and 13 minutes shorter than the UE.

 

[Samuron]

While their screen time is almost identical, Steve is clearly the protagonist of the story, and Tony the antagonist.

One of the great things about that film is that each "villain" is complex, evil to some, sympathetic to others.

Edited to add: 9th

 

[Timebomb]

IMDB says the runtime for JL is 170 minutes, which would be 19 minutes longer than BvS TE and 13 minutes shorter than the UE.

I guess I have to say whatever they need to tell a proper story. It just better not feel like 170 minutes.

Edit: Oh and remember DC/WB if you have to cut it further, you don't cut the important character bits, you cut the meaningless stuff like the kryptonite bullet plot.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

8th here.

8th was me.

 

[Iceman]

I love Downey's Stark, but he kind of stole "Captain America:" Civil War from Cap (but it was more an Avengers movie anyway), and he will likely be the centerpiece of the next two proper Avengers movies... as he was the last two.

Not that I complain either since his time is almost up in the role. However, it really has reached Wolverine levels at this point.

I do agree in a way that Cap had to share this film slightly at the expense of his personal stories with WS/Peggy's death etc. To me Stark only stole' it though to the extent that a great villain might influence a hero's film. And ideally that would be to fairly complement the hero rather than in most Marvel films where the hero dominates proceedings because the villain is weak.

Until recently Wolverine starred in every X-film apart from First Class. RDJ mainly had a few cameos outside of his solo films and the teamups, and to me despite being the MCU's no.1 figure, his influence wasn't as dominant as Wolverine's where many other major X-Men didn't even get a look in after a decade of films. There are plenty of MCU films that don't have any RDJ or just a few minutes of him too. I don't think the influence is comparable and even if it was, I believe the future will see a lot less of all the original heroes than we have seen to date as the new heroes emerge and everyone's trilogies come to an end.

 

[The Joker]

8th was me.

You didn't call it so its mine

 

[Iceman]

IMDB says the runtime for JL is 170 minutes, which would be 19 minutes longer than BvS TE and 13 minutes shorter than the UE.

How long is JL UE going to be?! t:

 

[OutOfBoose]

IMDB said BR49 trailer is coming this Weds.

 

[Bats123]

wrong thread.

 

[Tony Stark]

Let me expand on that then. Cap is the hero and he is the protagonist, but I do believe and stand firm Tony got the better role. He was the one who was put into action to drive the plot by pushing the Avengers toward the "Accords" by being confronted by the woman of a dead son, and he is also the one who appears to be reacting to the changing world around him with losing Pepper (probably more to a Disney contract dispute but still) and to getting older and seeing how the world views the Avengers.

While Cap truly loses Peggy, he never really changes. He is the same guy at the beginning of the story as he is after it, and what shifts is how Stark and the government view Cap's righteous absolutism due to Bucky. Stark has the character arc. Downey gets the best scenes to play, and when the movie is over, the one that lingers in my memory is Downey. The reason the third act is painful is Tony feels betrayed and changes his opinion on Cap and their (ended) friendship. And it is on Downey to sell that break.

Which is pretty much how the Civil War comics were. The scene with Alfre Woodard is pretty much taken straight from the Civil War comics. That's what pushes Tony to the accords (in the movie) and the registration act (in the comics).

As far as cap being the same at the beginning and the end, that's kind of the point. That was the whole point of the funeral scene where Sharon says don't move even when the whole world tells you, you're wrong.

The point is that both guys are equally right and wrong, and that's the point of the story. Tony is wrong in that his clinging to the accords leads to his friends and colleagues being imprisoned, and the paralysis of his friend. Cap is wrong for hiding the truth from Tony, in order to spare him. He knows that Bucky didn't do those things of his own will but his friendship with Bucky blinds him to the pain that Tony had over losing his parents.

 

[First Avenger]

Whedon is making a Batgirl movie. We might see a good DC movie here.

 

[GeckoMoria]

Mixed bag for me. More Joss at comic book properties is a good thing but for the love of God weill every bat member get a movie?? get ready for Alfred Origins: The Butler in 2019!

 

[AlluAllu]

My reaction to Whedon news is negative. Now, I appreciate the man for creating the ultimate geekgasm that is the Avengers and he is probably going to do something awesome with Batgirl too. But I don't want DCEU to have successful movies. I realise that this is petty, but I just don't want to support the continuity that has BvS in it.

 

[Zarex]

The DCEU is clearly transitioning into the BMEU. Outside of Wondy and Artie, the Batman centric films appear to be much further along. I wouldn't be surprised if Batman, Batgirl, Sirens, SS2 and Nightwing- and perhaps even Deadshot - all make it to the big screen before the Flash and GL solos.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

You didn't call it so its mine

9th then.
I love No. 9 more anyway.

How long is JL UE going to be?! t:

60 minutes longer, with more footage of Aquaman spinning his spear, stock Flash running, longer battle against Steppenwolf with more shots and BOOYAAHs from Cyborg.
And more Lois Lane, cause she helped in creating the foundation for the team.

Whedon is making a Batgirl movie. We might see a good DC movie here.

Or another Alien: Resurrection.

 

[First Avenger]

My reaction to Whedon news is negative. Now, I appreciate the man for creating the ultimate geekgasm that is the Avengers and he is probably going to do something awesome with Batgirl too. But I don't want DCEU to have successful movies. I realise that this is petty, but I just don't want to support the continuity that has BvS in it.

Um, good CBMs is great for the genre. Whedon is probably even better suited for this movie than he was for the Avengers movies.

 

[Sithborg]

sigh

WB's "plan". Through as much as they can and see what sticks. At this point, I don't expect a quarter of what they are announcing will ever be shot.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Any course correction from WB has to come from creative. That they are hiring good creative now is only a good thing. If these movies start to deliver, will make the choice of Snyder even more glaring. But at least we'd start getting really good movies. t: