The Dark Knight Rises Clearing up the ending of TDKR (MUST READ)

[jonnywhc]

I'm finished going around in circles with you. You clearly missed the point of the way that Nolan and Co. characterized the character(s) of Bruce Wayne/Batman throughout their entire trilogy, and you also completely missed the numerous instances seeded throughout TDKR that pretty heavily imply how the film's ending is going to play itself out.

So you missed the 2nd last shot of the film then? With Bruce happy and living a life. He's let go of Batman. If he hadn't then, then at that stage he would be back in Howard Hughes mode, like at the start of the film. Therefore...Bruce left it as a nod to Gordon.

 

[Dragon]

That a thread like this has to exist underlines the weakness of this film. The film shouldn't need to be explained by fans. It should BE ON THE SCREEN. We paid to see a film- not to have it explained and interpreted afterward.

And these explanations are bull. Batman had no time to escape the Bat. The Bat was always in full view so we would've seen him make him escape. It was similar to Harvey escaping Maroni's limo in TDK. Impossible. It was just a contrived emotional ploy on Nolan's part. For that matter, even with the bomb having been taken out over the sea- Gotham still would've been destroyed. It's a f-ing NUKE. The blast radius would've totalled Gotham. The tidal wave generated by the blast would've flooded Gotham. And what about the frickin' radiation? The damage to the water supply, and sea life? But we're supposed to accept all of this because these are "great" movies.

 

[jonnywhc]

Harvey buckled his belt and survived, while Maroni didn't.

The ejector seat of the Bat was probably not your ordinary ejection, either.

 

[Motown Marvel]

did the ending really need explaining? what is written up in the original post is pretty much exactly what we saw on screen. despite whatever misgivings you may have with it, it was all pretty clear what happened. i dont see how any of that needed explaining.

 

[Dragon]

Harvey buckled his belt and survived, while Maroni didn't.

You're not serious are you?

The ejector seat of the Bat was probably not your ordinary ejection, either.

It doesn't matter, for as long as Batman is in the Bat, he'd never have had time to clear the blast. Nuclear bomb, remember?

 

[batbax]

That a thread like this has to exist underlines the weakness of this film. The film shouldn't need to be explained by fans. It should BE ON THE SCREEN. We paid to see a film- not to have it explained and interpreted afterward.

And these explanations are bull. Batman had no time to escape the Bat. The Bat was always in full view so we would've seen him make him escape. It was similar to Harvey escaping Maroni's limo in TDK. Impossible. It was just a contrived emotional ploy on Nolan's part. For that matter, even with the bomb having been taken out over the sea- Gotham still would've been destroyed. It's a f-ing NUKE. The blast radius would've totalled Gotham. The tidal wave generated by the blast would've flooded Gotham. And what about the frickin' radiation? The damage to the water supply, and sea life? But we're supposed to accept all of this because these are "great" movies.

It was a fusion bomb. There was no radiation. And while we are at it, is it just me, or is this movie being picked apart unlike any film that's come out in recent memory? It's a fricken movie. A superhero movie at that. Suspension of some sort of disbelief is necessary. Some of the jumping around in time is weird and there are a few plot holes, but Jesus if I went into every movie with the same "standards" ad people who wrote the slashfilm piece(which ironically enough 90 percent of their "complaints" could be answered with even a shred of common sense) then I wouldn't enjoy any movie.

 

[jonnywhc]

You're not serious are you?

Why wouldn't I be? Many people survive crashes like that because they wore a belt and many die because they don't..

 

[Motown Marvel]

It was a fusion bomb. There was no radiation. And while we are at it, is it just me, or is this movie being picked apart unlike any film that's come out in recent memory? It's a fricken movie. A superhero movie at that. Suspension of some sort of disbelief is necessary. Some of the jumping around in time is weird and there are a few plot holes, but Jesus if I went into every movie with the same "standards" ad people who wrote the slashfilm piece(which ironically enough 90 percent of their "complaints" could be answered with even a shred of common sense) then I wouldn't enjoy any movie.

i personally dont think standards should be lowered just because something is a comic book movie. i dont think the film makers should be accepting a lower standard when producing the film, and i dont think the audiences should have to stoop to lower standards to enjoy the film. all films should be looked upon with equal standards.

that said, the movie is being picked apart because its a popular blockbuster, it had high expectations, and yer on the internet. also, nolan set himself up for this. since the first film he's been raving on and on about "grounded in reality" and "real world" and such. though despite his ravings, these films have always been horribly inconsistent in that area and i think people are just now catching on to that and holding him responsible.

 

[philleas]

It should also be pointed out that the tag line of "THE LEGEND ENDS" does not mean that batman is no more, and won't be back to gotham. I think it is the theme in the film for the people of gotham. It's been 8 years since batman was around, so in essence, he has become a legend only, not something current. So yeah, his return to crime is just that the, THE LEGEND ENDING.

 

[cjjr72984]

Why wouldn't I be? Many people survive crashes like that because they wore a belt and many die because they don't..

Agreed. I've seen people die from not wearing their seatbelt in crashes less worse than that!

 

[batbax]

I never said standards should be lowered. But some are setting it's standard above and beyond anything really.if you look at the two previous films in this trilogy, this one follows pretty much the same formula. Im sorry, when an online blogger goes out of their way to criticize 15 things in the movie and at least ten of them can be explained by a 3rd grader, I think it's time to maybe start second guessing things. I understand it's a really hyped up movie, but 95 percent of the general movie going audience doesn't give a 2nd thought to some of the ridiculous nitpicks I've seen..and to be clear there are problems I have with the film myself.

 

[X Knight]

Because he realises, like Batman, he can't work within the system.

He's stick with the politics and shackles that go with police work. The argument on the bridge and then the bit after that sealed his decision.

thanks.

 

[nimrodson]

I'll make this quick, since I'm sure it's been addressed and discussed. How/when did Bats escape from the bat? My theory was the explosion that happened right before it popped out into view.

He used that as a distraction is what i thought at first. But then we see batman and the clock ticking. What gives? Someone help me out, because i'm slow.

 

[Motown Marvel]

I never said standards should be lowered. But some are setting it's standard above and beyond anything really.if you look at the two previous films in this trilogy, this one follows pretty much the same formula. Im sorry, when an online blogger goes out of their way to criticize 15 things in the movie and at least ten of them can be explained by a 3rd grader, I think it's time to maybe start second guessing things. I understand it's a really hyped up movie, but 95 percent of the general movie going audience doesn't give a 2nd thought to some of the ridiculous nitpicks I've seen..and to be clear there are problems I have with the film myself.

when people have the attitude "its a comic book movie, what do you expect?" that sounds like standards are being lowered. but yes, this movie has followed the same formula's of its predecessors. both of which i also criticized for a lot of the same things i criticize this movie for. except, back then i would have been crucified for my dissent. for whatever reason now, its acceptable. i dont get it, but thats the internet for ya.

this movie has received justified and unjustified nitpicks. but a volley of unjustified nitpicks doesnt negate the justified ones.

im not necessarily disagreeing with most of what yer saying. im just giving my point of view on the matter.

 

[bosef982]

It was a fusion bomb. There was no radiation. And while we are at it, is it just me, or is this movie being picked apart unlike any film that's come out in recent memory? It's a fricken movie. A superhero movie at that. Suspension of some sort of disbelief is necessary. Some of the jumping around in time is weird and there are a few plot holes, but Jesus if I went into every movie with the same "standards" ad people who wrote the slashfilm piece(which ironically enough 90 percent of their "complaints" could be answered with even a shred of common sense) then I wouldn't enjoy any movie.

what slashfilm piece?

 

[batbax]

what slashfilm piece?

Just go to their website. its titled "15 things that bothered us about TDKR". and like I said, 10 of them are things a 3rd grader would understand.

 

[Batman4Ev3r]

I'm more of a casual fan of superhero movies...but have really enjoyed them over the years. This latest ending to The Dark Knight Rises has really bent me the wrong way, however. So forgive me but this is just the perspective of a somewhat casual fan (at least compared to the forum users)

This dream stuff really gets old...Nolan the king of ambiguity. After a trilogy of movies...we don't deserve a concrete ending? I know many on here say it's crystal clear...but many that I've read on other forums don't see it that way. They even go so far as to assume Alfred was dreaming his dying last wish. These individuals have quite the write ups, so they seem very intelligent, at least at face value. This frustrates me. I wanted a concrete ending....no matter what it was. Something that REALLY bothers me....If Batman had the autopilot and never bothered to use it...but had it available...he basically committed suicide. Uh, no, not okay with that one. Batman gives up and kills himself? Yeah, you can write it a different way..."he did it for the city to make batman immortal and blah blah blah" Yeah, but he still killed himself. So that leaves me with wanting to believe the ending we saw...is the ending we saw. But I have to admit, when I first saw the scene, it looked odd to me. I'm unsure of what it was...the lighting, something...that made me think it didn't look "right"

Also, now people are just drawing up random conclusions that no evidence was provided for in the film. Alfred's dream are his last moments alive, he's actually dying? They never indicate he's sick, just that's he's grief stricken and old. So this game never really ends. 3 movies deep and we get no closure nor ending...just two sides to the fence that can go back and forth for eternity. I, for one am glad to see this Nolan-verse come to an end. Someone put a concrete ending on a movie, then let us talk about how good or bad it was....this isn't Inception...I don't want to question my favorite Superhero of all time. I myself wanted him to live. But if he's to die, then at least make that clear to me.

If we are going to start guessing whether or not Alfred is dead or not and dreaming his last moments....we mess well just start guessing if the whole movie was a dream by joker in Arkham. It never ends....it might just be my preference....for something I invested so much time and emotion in I wanted a pay off of some kind...some conclusion. It's not like Inception where you know you are entering a dream world so ambiguity is expected. This is freaking Batman. Who I wanted to be when I was a kid. So disappointing for me.

For instance:

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/What-Really-Happened-End-Dark-Knight-Rises-32061.html

 

[metaphysician]

The only reason the ending is "ambiguous" is because there are fans who refuse to tolerate the idea of Bruce Wayne actually getting a happy ending. Nolan showed plenty to make it clear that Bruce survived; the worst mistake you could claim is showing glances inside the cabin of the Bat ( nevermind that the film uses anachronic scenes elsewhere ).

 

[robthorn24]

That a thread like this has to exist underlines the weakness of this film. The film shouldn't need to be explained by fans. It should BE ON THE SCREEN. We paid to see a film- not to have it explained and interpreted afterward.

To be honest, I don't think this underlines the film's weakness. Rather, it underlines some of the viewers' weaknesses in comprehension. I didn't think that the ending needed to be explained at all. It was pretty clear that Bruce is indeed alive and well. They practically spelled it out for the viewers.

The only thing about the ending that I personally didn't catch upon the first viewing is whether or not Selina was wearing the pearls (she was by the way). But that was not a detriment to the film. It was because I saw the film in the very front row of an IMAX theater and it was difficult to catch some of the visuals.

 

[Batman4Ev3r]

That a thread like this has to exist underlines the weakness of this film. The film shouldn't need to be explained by fans. It should BE ON THE SCREEN. We paid to see a film- not to have it explained and interpreted afterward.

And these explanations are bull. Batman had no time to escape the Bat. The Bat was always in full view so we would've seen him make him escape. It was similar to Harvey escaping Maroni's limo in TDK. Impossible. It was just a contrived emotional ploy on Nolan's part. For that matter, even with the bomb having been taken out over the sea- Gotham still would've been destroyed. It's a f-ing NUKE. The blast radius would've totalled Gotham. The tidal wave generated by the blast would've flooded Gotham. And what about the frickin' radiation? The damage to the water supply, and sea life? But we're supposed to accept all of this because these are "great" movies.

Have to agree. I feel that it was a weak movie, and the ending SHOULD have been resolved, but wasn't. "Nolan left all of the clues the viewer just isn't comprehending." I don't buy it. Plenty of rational minds are questioning what exactly happened...if he died or not, despite the crumbs Nolan left. It should be a situation where we are discussing how great(or not) the ending and movie was, not what the hell actually happened.

 

[D-one]

I think what most of you fail to realize is the of the is what Alfred wanted for him and it was real but, and I don't know if any of you have experience in this but speaking as a detective myself nothing makes you feel as good as when you help someone whether it's finding a murderer and seeing him or her convicted or finding someone grandmother whose lost. Once it is in your blood it stays there. He tired Alfred happy ending but you know it won't last. First Selina is a thief and she will always be one you don't become that good if you are not fully committed to it. She wants a clean slate to fix the mistakes she made in getting caught. He gave Gordon the Bat Signal to call on Batman not some other hero.

 

[jonnywhc]

lol oh boy..

 

[DigificWriter]

Any ambiguity in the way TDKR ends is of the audience's own making.

 

[NoBozos]

HE LIVED!!!

The proof is fixing the autopilot. Why would they show that if he didn't live????

is anyone making the argument against this over the age of 10??????

 

[jonnywhc]

People need to stop thinking Nolan tried to bring Inception into Rises.