EVERYTHING Black Panther - Part 3

[tvor03]

Heh, well that's what the sarcasm emoticon was for. I disagree that he would've been perfect for Drax, though. I'm as interested in seeing Diesel in a mcu movie as I am in seeing Stallone or Schwarzenegger in one (which is to say not at all).

Schwarzenegger in his prime would have made the perfect Colossus. And I think Stallone now wouldn't be a bad choice to play Cable.

 

[RockSP]

It's a VERY good thing you don't get to cast the actual movies

 

[Joeyjojo72]

true dat. Schwarzenegger, when he isnt playing a mostly mute killer robot, isnt much of an actor. I grew up with the guy and love the hell out of several of his movies (Predator, T1&2, True Lies, Conan), but we need real versatile actors for these movies, not action figures with personae that are cast in stone. Not then not now not ever. (and Arnie attempting a Russian accent makes me cringe.). God help me but Id prefer a pro wrestler.

 

[tvor03]

It's a VERY good thing you don't get to cast the actual movies

I'm sorry. I forget that any suggestion that isn't Ryan Gosling, Bradley Cooper, or Charlie Hunnam is a wrong suggestion on SHH. And Idris Elba for every black character ever!

 

[Joeyjojo72]

You have a point about Idris Elba. Give you that.

 

[RockSP]

I'm sorry.

(pats on shoulder) You should be...you should be.

 

[Red Mask]

It's a VERY good thing you don't get to cast the actual movies

Why? The fanzines said the same thing back in the day. They thought Arnold would be perfect as Colossus.

Let fans post their ideas as they should.

 

[RockSP]

Why? The fanzines said the same thing back in the day. They thought Arnold would be perfect as Colossus.

Let fans post their ideas as they should.

Who's stopping anyone from posting their ideas? I personally think the casting suggestions he posted were terrible, and jokingly told him so. It's not a big deal. This is just a message board.

 

[blalex620]

Reed wasn't a struggling dreamer. He was an uber genius with no money... something that happens in comics from time to time. I think you're confusing making characters 'earn' the fantastic elements with toning them down. Thor never becomes a God. Reed Richards soon gets money and an uber Baxter Building.

Regardless, Powered Armor is years behind us, not away and an Assembly Lines can be purchased for just a few million dollars. This is not fantastic, that's part of why it's so easy to buy, and why the fantastic part- the power source - couldn't be covered in a magazine cover montage.

In FF52, we buy Wakanda as part of the Marvel Universe, mostly because it fits. It's right in line, tone and tech wise, with the rest of the Marvel Universe at that time - where Africa was an unexplored unknown continent, easy to hide things in. A BP movie should be the same with the MCU. It should fit into the MCU, not into the X-Men franchise, not in the 70s Marvel comics. Buying Wakanda as a believable 70s comic book world means nothing for a film. Now, that said, I stand by the idea that if all the incredible things we see are the product of T'Challa as opposed to giving him an 'easy' switch at the beginning of the movie, it could still be cool. I would suggest having him only make things that related to the storyline, as opposed to just making inconsequential stuff for the sake of making Wakanda uber, which does nothing to make the movie better.

There have been many articles that have discussed the probability of Stark tech existing in our world. They all say the same thing, in the future the tech can and probably will exist but at the moment some of it is not probable. JARVIS like AI, yes. The holographic system that JARVIS uses, not so much, or at least not to the level it's used. And in terms of power suits go, the most we could get is the actual exoskeleton and maybe get it moving but definitely not to the level of the suits in IM. We definitely couldn't get it's power output or it's weaponry. We don't have anything like repulsor tech or an arc reactor in our world yet. Or at the very least nothing that the world knows about.

 

[DrCosmic]

Well, the Arc Reactor is definitely fantastic, that's why it's invention (and removal) was so paramount to Tony's journey, and from it flowed the repulsor tech. The rest is just advanced versions of what we have now, all pretty well prepped in the magazine montage. It doesn't feel any less realistic than the existence of a company called Stark Industries. No, there's no company called Stark Industries, but if there was such a company run by such a genius, is it natural that they would be a couple years ahead of current day real life tech? Absolutely. Does that make the world a different place at all? No, it's just another big military contractor company with proprietary tech like any real life one. Does that make the life of the character easier? No, in fact, it's the source of nearly all of his problems. So, not fantastic per se, just... it's a different world, where Tony Stark - an incredible, but "realistic" person - exists.

The point is not that IM was oh so realistic, but merely that the fantastic elements were introduced as part of the character arc, not at the beginning of the film. So unless you want to do that with BP, don't use Iron Man as an example of what the audience is willing to accept.

 

[Paradox1]

Audiences are willing to buy anything if it's part of a great story.

 

[tdeverea]

Audiences are willing to buy anything if it's part of a great story.

Exactly. The end. This nonsense about the general audience not buying this or that is rubbish. Make a good story and make it visually compelling and you have a winner.

 

[DrCosmic]

Audiences will not buy a bad story. That's why it's a bad story, because audiences don't buy it. Hidden Isolationist Coruscant in the MCU is a bad story. Not everything can be part of a good story, especially if the context is already set.

"Just make it good" is fine for some, but I've been enjoying the conversation about *how* to make it good. How to make it a good story.

 

[RockSP]

Audiences will not buy a bad story.

The Transformers franchise says otherwise.

 

[Red Mask]

Who's stopping anyone from posting their ideas? I personally think the casting suggestions he posted were terrible, and jokingly told him so. It's not a big deal. This is just a message board.

And we're no more qualified to make the right casting choices than he is. Remember that.

 

[RockSP]

And we're no more qualified to make the right casting choices than he is. Remember that.

That was deep.

 

[Paradox1]

The Transformers franchise says otherwise.

I don't think they are bad stories i just think fans are expecting way too much from a franchise born out of a toy line.

 

[blalex620]

Audiences will not buy a bad story. That's why it's a bad story, because audiences don't buy it. Hidden Isolationist Coruscant in the MCU is a bad story. Not everything can be part of a good story, especially if the context is already set.

"Just make it good" is fine for some, but I've been enjoying the conversation about *how* to make it good. How to make it a good story.

Honestly, it's like they said. Audiences will accept anything as long as they enjoy it and are brought into the world. Wakanda can and will be a great addition to the MCU. The MCU as it is, is a world where anything is possible. People understand this so it's not hard to imagine that they will accept Wakanda. The fact that it's a part of the MCU and not just a solo film will actually help it and not hinder it. If explained correctly the fact that an African village is the most technologically advanced place in the world and it is hidden off from the rest of the world is not that hard. Explain that Vibranium allows the country to not be detected on any map, satellite, tech etc. It's been done in other movies and shows before where a location is hidden from everything so it's not hard to do that to Wakanda.

I don't think they are bad stories i just think fans are expecting way too much from a franchise born out of a toy line.

THANK YOU!!! People have the nostalgia glasses on when they remember Transformers as kids. The show had very cheesy, sometimes horrible writing but it was just fun. The movies are honestly the same thing. People for some strange reason remember Transformers as some Shakespearean cartoon with the best writing and animation and story-telling ever. It wasn't. Seriously, how deep of a story do you need when the premise is robot's that transform into cars fight each other.

 

[Wontkins]

I want to see Christoph Waltz in a marvel movie. Maybe if Black Panther finally takes off he can be Ulysses Klaw or something.

 

[RockSP]

THANK YOU!!! People have the nostalgia glasses on when they remember Transformers as kids. The show had very cheesy, sometimes horrible writing but it was just fun. The movies are honestly the same thing. People for some strange reason remember Transformers as some Shakespearean cartoon with the best writing and animation and story-telling ever. It wasn't. Seriously, how deep of a story do you need when the premise is robot's that transform into cars fight each other.

I guess this was directed at me since I was the one who brought up Transformers. I'm personally not some giant Transformers fanboy. I simply used that franchise as an example of audiences buying into bad stories. But there are plenty of other examples that can be used. The Star Wars prequels for example.

The larger point being if they can buy into that tripe, I don't see them taking Wakanda as some unbelievable thing. The main problem may be them buying into it with black people.

 

[MCU]

Just wanted to say that if they are looking for a young actor to play Black Panther then Michael B. Jordan is prob being seriously considered along with Chadwick Boseman. He def is at least now; reason being I supposedly heard his performance in Fruitvale Station was amazing and star making(looking at early reviews on Rottentommatoes). Couple that with his great performance in Chronicle(superhero film also) and he def has a shot at getting the role.

 

[blalex620]

I guess this was directed at me since I was the one who brought up Transformers. I'm personally not some giant Transformers fanboy. I simply used that franchise as an example of audiences buying into bad stories. But there are plenty of other examples that can be used. The Star Wars prequels for example.

The larger point being if they can buy into that tripe, I don't see them taking Wakanda as some unbelievable thing. The main problem may be them buying into it with black people.

I wouldn't even say Transformers was bad stories. I mean how much of a Shakespearean style story do you expect from alien fighting robots that transform into cars?

And the sad thing is the only people who would remotely not buy into Wakanda because it's an African (not black two different things) country are Americans. The rest of the world surprisingly loves us (especially the French).

 

[Hyde]

Just wanted to say that if they are looking for a young actor to play Black Panther then Michael B. Jordan is prob being seriously considered along with Chadwick Boseman. He def is at least now; reason being I supposedly heard his performance in Fruitvale Station was amazing and star making(looking at early reviews on Rottentommatoes). Couple that with his great performance in Chronicle(superhero film also) and he def has a shot at getting the role.

He's playing the Human Torch in the Fantastic Four reboot

 

[RockSP]

I wouldn't even say Transformers was bad stories. I mean how much of a Shakespearean style story do you expect from alien fighting robots that transform into cars?

Heh. Well this weird Shakespeare comparison is something you came up with, not something I ever said. If you think Tranformers wasn't bad, cool. Obviously I disagree.

And the sad thing is the only people who would remotely not buy into Wakanda because it's an African (not black two different things) country are Americans. The rest of the world surprisingly loves us (especially the French).

I guess we'll see (if BP ever gets a movie, that is). Movies with majority black casts tend not to do well internationally. A big marvel superhero movie may break the usual trend, though.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

"the rest of the world surprisingly loves us (especially the French)"

uh, who is "us" exactly? The entire continent of Africa? Meaningless and baseless statement from beginning to end. Thanks for playing though.