Fantastic Four reborn! - Part 10

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[jaymes_e06]

I want to say to the deleted post targeting me calling me a insolent child drama queen or whatever they said.

Back story about me: I have loved the Fantastic Four for almost all my life. I watched the cartoon before I even knew about comic books. They were my first encounters with superheroes of any kind. It has been my dream to have the Kirby style tone and look translated to film.

Though Mara would be awesome in another FF film this one just has a feeling of rushed production and strange direction. I am not being childish for being disappointed I'm just being honest with how I feel at this point. I'm not saying I'm completely opposed to watching this movie if the reviews and trailers are awesome I'm just saying my knee jerk reaction does not feel good.

 

[Rocketman]

Marvel Studios has made 2 of the only CBMs to reach the 1 billion mark. Sony and FOX can't crush them anymore. Marvel Studios has grown too big for that.

Marvel's FACTUAL biggest properties (not film specifically) are Spider-Man, X-Men/Wolverine, and Fantastic Four.

Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, and Hulk are their second-tier characters, some even third-tier. Spider-Man and Wolverine are to Marvel what Superman and Batman are to DC. They ARE Marvel. Marvel Studios is succeeding because they're combining their second-tier characters and making it a big A-List movie. It's an A-List team of B characters.

You put Spider-Man, Wolverine, X-Men, and Fantastic Four together, it's game over. There wouldn't even be a game.

 

[Boom]

Michael B. Jordan is solid casting. Probably the one I'm most looking forward to seeing.

Kate Mara is alright. She's neither awful nor great. Straight-down-the-middle actress.

I've never seen Teller. Can't comment on him.

Jamie Bell as The Thing? Can't see it or hear it at all. Biggest "WTF" pick of the bunch.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Marvel's FACTUAL biggest properties (not film specifically) are Spider-Man, X-Men/Wolverine, and Fantastic Four.

Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, and Hulk are their second-tier characters, some even third-tier. Spider-Man and Wolverine are to Marvel what Superman and Batman are to DC. They ARE Marvel. Marvel Studios is succeeding because they're combining their second-tier characters and making it a big A-List movie. It's an A-List team of B characters.

You put Spider-Man, Wolverine, X-Men, and Fantastic Four together, it's game over. There wouldn't even be a game.

Dude, Iron Man 3 outgrossed ALL prior Spider-Man, Wolverine, FF, and X-Men films. So has Avengers. Thor: TDW outgrossed The Wolverine. Both Thor AND Captain America TFA outgrossed X-Men: First Class. In this case, that was BEFORE Thor and Cap were in Avengers. So, it didn't have Avengers boost factored in. That can't even be argued. Marvel Studios can't be "crushed" at this point. Avengers became the 3rd highest grossing film ever. What did TASM and the last 2 X-Men films do? Not that.

 

[craigdbfan]

GotG will outgross FF by leagues. You can quote me on that.

Hell not only outperform in terms of money but in quality of fidelity too.

 

[mkilban2]

I was going to go trough the last 40 pages and catch up, but after 15 pages I just couldn't keep going.. Too much negativity for my taste lol.

Here's my post from the last thread, figured I'd post it again:


Hm don't know much about the FF, I was younger when their first film came out and I think I enjoyed it but I don't remember much. As for this casting, I love MBJ and Kate Mara, don't know the other two guys but I've read good things abou them. I enjoy any CBM by all studios so I'll be checking this out for sure.

As with every CBM I'll wait and see before I make any assumptions or reactions to the casting and whatnot. I always go into any movie with an open mind and no pre existing feelings. Interested to see who they get for Doom.

Any info on if this is set in the past? I remember reading speculation that the FF franchise and Xmen franchise will crossover, or at least be set in the same universe. Any word on that?

 

[mkilban2]

GotG will outgross FF by leagues. You can quote me on that.

Hell not only outperform in terms of money but in quality of fidelity too.

When is this film set to release? Late 2015?

Kinda odd to compare GotG and FF, maybe AntMan and FF would be a better comparison no? I guess financially at least.

 

[Doc Ock]

It's like a kick right in the gut, isn't it?

Its like getting a really good present as a surprise then immediately getting an awful stinker afterwards.

 

[The Overlord]

Marvel's FACTUAL biggest properties (not film specifically) are Spider-Man, X-Men/Wolverine, and Fantastic Four.

Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, and Hulk are their second-tier characters, some even third-tier. Spider-Man and Wolverine are to Marvel what Superman and Batman are to DC. They ARE Marvel. Marvel Studios is succeeding because they're combining their second-tier characters and making it a big A-List movie. It's an A-List team of B characters.

You put Spider-Man, Wolverine, X-Men, and Fantastic Four together, it's game over. There wouldn't even be a game.

And yet Iron Man 3 and the Avengers has made more money then any film featuring Spider-Man, the X-Men and certainly the FF.

Guess what, only comic book nerds think the FF are of a higher tier then the Avengers, the general audience doesn't care about these tiers that comic book fans bracket the characters in. Iron Man is a way bigger deal then the FF at this point.

Making a good movie with these characters is vastly more important then what tier they are in. The FF comic selling more then an Iron Man comic, doesn't mean jack in the long run, Iron Man is more profitable to Marvel because all the money to make from the

To general audience Iron Man is in a higher tier then the FF, because he has better movies. Iron Man can coast on his reputation, its the FF that have to prove their worth to the general audience. The FF are not in the best position, they have two strikes against them with the previous films with the general audience and you only get one chance to make a good first impression. I hope if the new FF movie is good, it is not dragged by those previous lackluster efforts, I think that is what prevented the new Dredd movie from becoming a hit.

 

[PeterBenParker]

I'm excited to see Michael B. Jordan as Johnny Storm, he can definitely pull off the cockiness, range, and depth the character has.

Not sure about the others, though.

I'm still skeptical (curious?) about how they'll explain Sue and Johnny.

Will they be biological siblings? Half siblings? Adopted siblings? Step-siblings?

If anything, I'd keep 'em biological and have one parent be Caucasian and the other being African.

Not really looking forward to Fantastic Four as a whole, but Jordan and Trank give me at least some glimmer of hope.

 

[def28]

Iron Man is a way bigger deal then the FF at this point.

Even currently in comics Fantastic Four havn't been top sellers at all. Thunderbolts is on a higher number and sells better. X-Men, Avengers, Spidey and Guardians are their top sellers right now.

 

[Doc Ock]

Currently in comics Fantastic Four havn't been top sellers at all. Thunderbolts is on a higher number and sells better. X-Men, Avengers, Spidey and Guardians are their top sellers right now.

Yeah I feel like Marvel's first family hasn't been on top for quite a while. They definitely aren't as famous as well....almost everybody else it seems. Its unfortunate.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

GotG will outgross FF by leagues. You can quote me on that.

Hell not only outperform in terms of money but in quality of fidelity too.

That's an interesting bet. I like it.

 

[def28]

Yeah I feel like Marvel's first family hasn't been on top for quite a while. They definitely aren't as famous as well....almost everybody else it seems. Its unfortunate.

Yeah, they need some new life for sure. Everything seems to have benefited sales wise from Marvel Now except for them.

 

[wobbly]

Marvel's FACTUAL biggest properties (not film specifically) are Spider-Man, X-Men/Wolverine, and Fantastic Four.

Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, and Hulk are their second-tier characters, some even third-tier. Spider-Man and Wolverine are to Marvel what Superman and Batman are to DC. They ARE Marvel. Marvel Studios is succeeding because they're combining their second-tier characters and making it a big A-List movie. It's an A-List team of B characters.

You put Spider-Man, Wolverine, X-Men, and Fantastic Four together, it's game over. There wouldn't even be a game.

Ok, I'm no expert on contract law so anyone who knows better can easily correct me if I'm wrong, but I do have doubts that Fox can legally crossover the X-Men with the FF without making a new deal for that purpose: Think of a studio holding the film rights for 2 novels by the same author. Do they have the automatic right to crossover characters from each book? No, as they are seperate IP's, therefore separate deals.

Now just what deals Fox have with Marvel on the 2 properties they hold we have no idea. It could be a crossover is allowed in the small print, it could be it isn't. I do suspect the latter though going by Millar's hasty back-tracking on the matter: He said one day "of course these characters will be turning up in each others films" then not long after retracted that and said they would not be crossing over after all, but they would be in the same 'shared universe'.

Well...That's kinda like saying Jack Ryan shares the same universe as James Bond. Doesn't mean much unless they actually meet.

Furthermore, even if Fox can cross over the FF with X-Men, there is no way their deals can be crossed over with Sony's on Spider-Man. Not that Sony would be likely to entertain that in any event. They get on well with the mouse.

Seriously, from this and your previous post on this ("if it were up to me...") you seem to want Marvel studios to be crushed by a Sony/Fox alliance.

Why?

And for the record I'm a fan who appreciates what Fox and Sony have both done as they certainly did help Marvel into the big time. Singers X-Men and Raimi's Spider-man (plus Blade who preceded both) were a key factor in Marvel deciding to risk that huge Meryll Lynch loan on going for their own film ventures.

That being said, Marvel are now firmly in the game as well, and the example of Avengers has (imo) helped the other studios wake up to the potential they have been sitting on.

And since MS have been doing very well so far, it's only natural for those of us FF fans that are underwhelmed by Fox's record with the FF and not being thrilled by the news with this one to kinda wish they had gone back to Marvel.

That hasn't happened so that's that. All we can do now is wait and see just what this one will be like (hopefully it will at least be a good film, even if I may not care for the interpretation of it in the end).

But...I really don't get your attitude towards Marvel Studios? If some fans have p#ssed you off with bashing Fox & Sony for keeping the rights (and I know there are a good many like that), be p#ssed off with those fans. The Studio doesn't deserve it though.

 

[The Shape]

Michael B. Jordan is solid casting. Probably the one I'm most looking forward to seeing.

Kate Mara is alright. She's neither awful nor great. Straight-down-the-middle actress.

I've never seen Teller. Can't comment on him.

Jamie Bell as The Thing? Can't see it or hear it at all. Biggest "WTF" pick of the bunch.

To me, Miles Teller is the biggest WTF pick of the bunch. He looks/acts younger than he is, he hasn't been in many films, and he's weird looking to the point where I might call him ugly. Apparently, this new indie movie he's in (The Spectacular Now) is great and I'm not saying he isn't talented, but based on other films I've seen him in, he comes off as a *****ey "bro".

Kate Mara is alright and she's kind of hot, but I would have much preferred Emmy Rossum to be cast. I can see Michael B. Jordan as the Human Torch, I guess. The fact that he's black means pretty much nothing to be. I'm sure Jamie Bell will be fine as The Thing since it'll be motion capture/CGI.

It's just Miles Teller as the lead that really pisses me off, but whatever.

 

[The Shape]

GotG will outgross FF by leagues. You can quote me on that.

Hell not only outperform in terms of money but in quality of fidelity too.

That's a given. Any person with a brain could make the same prediction.

GotG literally has no baggage. It has the benefit of being a stand-alone movie that is still part of a wider film universe consisting of about 10 existing films, whereas FF is rebooting a franchise that consists of 2 underwhelming/underperforming films. GotG has some big names attached to it (Bradley Cooper, Zoe Saldana, Benicio del Toro, John C. Reilly, Glenn Close, rising star Chris Pratt), while the leads of FF are all relatively unknown and untested in carrying a film.

As far as which film will be better in terms of quality, that has yet to be seen and despite this disappointing casting news, there's no way of knowing how good or bad FF might end up being.

 

[X Knight]

so Sue and Johnny will have to be adopted siblings now, right?

 

[Brutalitops]

Ok, I'm no expert on contract law so anyone who knows better can easily correct me if I'm wrong, but I do have doubts that Fox can legally crossover the X-Men with the FF without making a new deal for that purpose: Think of a studio holding the film rights for 2 novels by the same author. Do they have the automatic right to crossover characters from each book? No, as they are seperate IP's, therefore separate deals.

Now just what deals Fox have with Marvel on the 2 properties they hold we have no idea. It could be a crossover is allowed in the small print, it could be it isn't. I do suspect the latter though going by Millar's hasty back-tracking on the matter: He said one day "of course these characters will be turning up in each others films" then not long after retracted that and said they would not be crossing over after all, but they would be in the same 'shared universe'.

Well...That's kinda like saying Jack Ryan shares the same universe as James Bond. Doesn't mean much unless they actually meet.

Furthermore, even if Fox can cross over the FF with X-Men, there is no way their deals can be crossed over with Sony's on Spider-Man. Not that Sony would be likely to entertain that in any event. They get on well with the mouse.

Seriously, from this and your previous post on this ("if it were up to me...") you seem to want Marvel studios to be crushed by a Sony/Fox alliance.

Why?

And for the record I'm a fan who appreciates what Fox and Sony have both done as they certainly did help Marvel into the big time. Singers X-Men and Raimi's Spider-man (plus Blade who preceded both) were a key factor in Marvel deciding to risk that huge Meryll Lynch loan on going for their own film ventures.

That being said, Marvel are now firmly in the game as well, and the example of Avengers has (imo) helped the other studios wake up to the potential they have been sitting on.

And since MS have been doing very well so far, it's only natural for those of us FF fans that are underwhelmed by Fox's record with the FF and not being thrilled by the news with this one to kinda wish they had gone back to Marvel.

That hasn't happened so that's that. All we can do now is wait and see just what this one will be like (hopefully it will at least be a good film, even if I may not care for the interpretation of it in the end).

But...I really don't get your attitude towards Marvel Studios? If some fans have p#ssed you off with bashing Fox & Sony for keeping the rights (and I know there are a good many like that), be p#ssed off with those fans. The Studio doesn't deserve it though.

I'm not going to definitively say that you're wrong, because I don't have the contracts in front of me, but I am going to say that you are PROBABLY wrong. Fox wouldn't come out and mention the possibility of crossing over the X-Men and the Fantastic Four unless it was legally possibly. To do otherwise would be negligent. In all likelihood, there are clauses in the contracts that do allow the crossing over the properties, but probably there are also clauses that prevent Fox from crossing over non-Marvel IPs (so Caesar the Ape can't show up in X-Men). Any lawyer worth their salt would be put such clauses in their contract because of the possibility of the damaging or dilution of the IP.

That said, there is a better chance that Sony would be contractually prevented from crossing Spider-man over with Fox's franchises. Otherwise, what would be stopping Fox and DC from crossing over X-Men and Batman. It is a possible dilution of the IP.

 

[def28]

Apparently, this new indie movie he's in (The Spectacular Now) is great and I'm not saying he isn't talented, but based on other films I've seen him in, he comes off as a *****ey "bro".

Spectacular Now was a solid flick. Teller did a good job and had a chance to display more range during the third act then he usually does. Most his characters are him playing the smart ass fast talker (which he still plays here through most the flick). But it was a good role for him, wasn't forced and showed he could handle more dramatic scenes. Him and Shailene Woodley worked excellent together.

 

[Brutalitops]

Spectacular Now was a solid flick. Teller did a good job and had a chance to display more range during the third act then he usually does. Most his characters are him playing the smart ass fast talker (which he still plays here through most the flick). But it was a good role for him, wasn't forced and showed he could handle more dramatic scenes. Him and Shailene Woodley worked excellent together.

The first 3/4 of the movie is the same old Teller schtick. The last 1/4 he shows acting chops digging into the fact that the Teller schtick is a facade for the character that masks underlying issues. He is a solid actor, I just question his fit as Reed Richards.

 

[Obi-Ron]

so Sue and Johnny will have to be adopted siblings now, right?

Possibly. In this day and age I don't think every little thing requires an explanation.

 

[wobbly]

When is this film set to release? Late 2015?

Kinda odd to compare GotG and FF, maybe AntMan and FF would be a better comparison no? I guess financially at least.

I think it's slated for June 19th 2015. Ant-Man is about a month later (seen July 17th for that one). I've posted a list of summer releases below (not sure how certain they are). Batman /Superman was gonna be in there as well but that's been pushed back.

I can see the GOTG seeming a more apt comparison with it being an ensemble job like the FF. Ant-man's more of a solo number (well, 'old Pym' will be there as well I suppose..).

Summer 2015 releases:

May 2015
May 1: The Avengers: Age of Ultron
May 15: Mad Max: Fury Road
May 22: Tomorrowland - Susan Cooper
May 29: Monster Trucks

June 2015
Jun 5: B.O.O.: Bureau of Otherworldly Operations - San Andreas 3D
Jun 12: Jurassic World
Jun 19: Fantastic Four - Inside Out
Jun 26: Ted 2

July 2015
Jul 1: Terminator: Genesis
Jul 10: Despicable Me Minions
Jul 17: Ant-Man - Pan
Jul 24: Trainwreck
Jul 31: Peregrine's Home for Peculiars

August 2015
Aug 7: Assassin's Creed
Aug 14: The Bourne Identity 5 - The Smurfs 3
Aug 28: Regression