Game of Thrones - HBO part 2 - Part 2

[MessiahDecoy123]

Ratings are in and we have a winner:

Hopefully it can eclipse True Blood in popularity soon.

True Blood peaked at 5.4 million viewers.

 

[Sgt.Pepper]

Season 2 is off to a wonderful start. From the little we've seen, Cunningham did a great job at portraying Davos and I'm just delighted to see him on-screen, as he is one of my favorite characters in the series. Excited to see Jaqen H'ghar introduce and of course, the Battle of Blackwater. Also, [BLACKOUT]I'm curious to see if they will retain Tyrion losing a part of his nose or not as a result of the battle.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[smashmode]

Evidently that it fails to personalize Cressen, or show that he's like a father figure to Stannis, which apparently the scene needs to do in order to succeed.

yeah..I kind of took it that he was kind of a old grump

 

[smashmode]

Gif of Ghost from 2nd episode:

Spoiler

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Evidently that it fails to personalize Cressen, or show that he's like a father figure to Stannis, which apparently the scene needs to do in order to succeed.

A lot of that in the book was Cressen's thoughts. But they could have had him say to Davos something like, "I was at Storm's End when he was just a boy and lost his parents. I was the closest thing he had to a father but he refuses to listen to me. He will listen to you."

 

[Swordmaster]

The only thing I really missed from that was Stannis, in his own way, showing concern for him. As of the end of episode 1, Stannis just seems like a tight-assed grump, when he's really a much more complex character (which is why I can't wait to see more of him).

 

[ChickenScratch]

Season 2 is off to a wonderful start. From the little we've seen, Cunningham did a great job at portraying Davos and I'm just delighted to see him on-screen, as he is one of my favorite characters in the series. Excited to see Jaqen H'ghar introduce and of course, the Battle of Blackwater. Also, [BLACKOUT]I'm curious to see if they will retain Tyrion losing a part of his nose or not as a result of the battle.[/BLACKOUT]

[BLACKOUT]I can see him getting a cut on his face, but not that part. They already made him way too handsome. They might put a light make up scar on his forehead leading down to the nose.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[conan69]

SpideyBat, Stannis is my favorite character after Melisandre.

BTW Saw Episode 2 and its better than the first. Some good scenes in there. For those who read the books, the scenes youd imagine being in Ep2 are all there, and the acting is very strong. Episode 2 seemed less "rushed".

Small spoiler.. (but not really)

Spoiler

I love the way Varys prevents Tyrion from opening the door when theyre jousting back and forth

Conleth Hill is just great in the part, and his scenes with The Dink are pure gold.

 

[Sgt.Pepper]

@ChickenScratch, [BLACKOUT]I was thinking the exact same thing. He'll not be disfigured in the battle but will probably have a small facial scar as a substitute.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Matt]

It's been a couple years since I took philosophy but from what I recall, a deontologist was motivated by duty which is basically Stannis. In his mind, those who did not support his claim are guilt of treason and it is his duty to carry out justice and punish them (ie execute them). The whole "rather be feared than loved" is also due to his personality, he has no compassion. He doesn't really have a relationship with his wife and he probably doesn't love his daughter more than he's obligated to.

Deontology is about duty to a greater belief (like a god). Therefore it comes with a universal set of morals that can never be violated under any circumstances. The duty isn't a sense of duty as you are using it, it is duty to obey maxims (or universal laws). For example, if the maxim is it is wrong to kill, it is always wrong to kill. You can't kill in war for the greater good. You can't kill in the name of justice. In deontology, morals are very much absolute and can never be violated, no matter what the circumstances.

What you are describing is prima facie ethics, which is kind of a spin-off of deontology. Basically there are still a universal set of rules, but they can be more flexible and differ from culture to culture.

But honestly, the way that you are describing Stannis feels much more like a form of utilitarianism to me.

 

[smashmode]

Ryan and Ryan podcast on Game of Thrones 1st episode:

http://web.me.com/mcgeeryan/The_Pod...4/2_Game_of_Thrones__The_North_Remembers.html

Special guest editor of Wic.net

 

[childeroland]

The guy who plays the King's bastard son...was he on Skins during the first 2 seasons?

Yeah, he played Chris.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Deontology is about duty to a greater belief (like a god). Therefore it comes with a universal set of morals that can never be violated under any circumstances. The duty isn't a sense of duty as you are using it, it is duty to obey maxims (or universal laws). For example, if the maxim is it is wrong to kill, it is always wrong to kill. You can't kill in war for the greater good. You can't kill in the name of justice. In deontology, morals are very much absolute and can never be violated, no matter what the circumstances.

What you are describing is prima facie ethics, which is kind of a spin-off of deontology. Basically there are still a universal set of rules, but they can be more flexible and differ from culture to culture.

But honestly, the way that you are describing Stannis feels much more like a form of utilitarianism to me.

He probably fits into prima facie more than deontology. Stannis definitely isn't a utilitarian though, he only cares about doing what is right regardless of whether or not it benefits the greater good.

SpideyBat, Stannis is my favorite character after Melisandre.

I don't really have a #1 favorite, but Stannis is one of the few I really like. I wasn't sure why until I got to the end of A Storm of Swords, he deserves immense respect for that. [blackout]I also expect him to carry out the proper justice in the North against certain houses.[/blackout]

Conleth Hill is just great in the part, and his scenes with The Dink are pure gold.

Conleth Hill is the best casting of anyone in the show, Peter Dinklage included.

 

[childeroland]

Ugh, how does anyone who Robert's bastards are? I mean lets take the prostitute for example. She's a prostitute which means she was most likely sleeping with alot of men. How the heck do they know her daughter was Robert's? How would she know?

I believe that prostitute was in love with Robert so she might have made sure. And as far as anyone else knowing, Cercei kept records, probably so she could pull a Herod when the times comes, like she's doing now.

 

[chamber-music]

Does the actor who plays Robb remind anyone else of Henry Cavill?

Not really.

I was surprised when I found out his Scottish. He does a nothern English accent really well.

The guy who plays the King's bastard son...was he on Skins during the first 2 seasons?

Yeah he was Chris.

He was also in Merlin and the villain in the criminally underrated BBC horror fantasy show The Fades which also has GoT Natalie Dormer in it.

 

[Poeman]

Did they replace the guy who plays Gendry?

 

[Man in the Suit]

No.

 

[Prison Mike]

Yeah, he played Chris.

I knew he looked familiar. Thanks!

 

[Rowsdower!]

Does the actor who plays Robb remind anyone else of Henry Cavill?

Yeah, he looks just like Henry when he was on The Tudors. Robb looks like he could be his brother (IMO).

 

[chamber-music]

Cassie from Skins Seaons 1 & 2 (Hannah Murray) is also in Game of Thrones as Gilly.

 

[smashmode]

BryanCogman ‏ @BryanCogman

Hey @nytimesarts! 6.3 million viewers. Have we expanded beyond our "Dungeons & Dragons fan-base" enough for you? #GoT

 

[Kane52630]

yeah I know someone didn't write "enjoyed" correctly.

 

[DACrowe]

Religion plays a huge f-ing part of the story. In Westeros we have the 7. The Drowned God in The Iron Islands.

Then there are the Heart Trees which most in the North and most Knights worship (they become knights in this world after several days of praying under the heart tree, notice after the initial beheading the first episode Ned goes to pray at his heart tree). Ned also has a Septa (nun) for his kids at Winterfell to educate them as well as teach them of the 7 and other religions.

I could go on about several other major religions, cults and cults that combine traditions. Every town has a Sept (Temple) to the 7. Most people worship 1 or more of the 7 (like The Crone and The Stranger), as well as paying tribute to the Heart Trees.

It's very much Europe emerging from under Rome's yolk. Though some Asia is thrown in (Dorne, etc.)

Indeed. The new High Septon in AFFC=Savonarola...If Savonrola could convince the major families of Florence to reinstate the Templars under his express service.

If only Tyrion or even Jaime had been there to mock her for that one. I'm sure it will be coming.

 

[DACrowe]

Hopefully it can eclipse True Blood in popularity soon.

True Blood peaked at 5.4 million viewers.

I just hope they can continue to be around 3.5-4 million viewers on initial screening and 9+ million viewers for the week. This show is tres-expensive to produce and I'd hate for them to get "Rome-d." That's why I worry how they're going to spice books 4 and 5 up to make them more exciting.

 

[flickchick85]

Rome was never intended to be more than it was. It only had a two-year production contract because it was originally pitched as a mini-series that they just decided to make longer. I'm pretty sure that's why they were willing to put so much money into it to begin with.

It's impossible for GoT to get "Rome-d" because it was envisioned as a long-running series from the start.