Game of Thrones - HBO part 2 - Part 5

[El Bastardo]

Followers choosing to do things is not necessarily a reflection of the god.

If R'hllor only empowered those people who performed human sacrifice in his name, then I'd give you the point. However, we have proof that is not the case.

Heck, burning statues of the Seven isn't even necessary, though I suppose the show is less clear on that point, and likely because the content doesn't intend to deal with the religious debate going on here.

 

[Doctor Jones]

So I powered through both seasons in a couple days and wow. I read the first book and then watched the first season but then just went right into the second. You can tell the budget is higher in season two.

I'm still debating on whether I should still read the books.

 

[Sawyer]

I'm sort of having the same debate. If I had any faith that GRRM would give us Books 6 and 7 before the series reached that point, I'd be all in, but he's said himself that the series eventually outpacing him is entirely possible. Doesn't really inspire much confidence.

 

[Roose Bolton]

When has he ever said that? I've read an interview where he states the complete opposite.

 

[Sawyer]

I'm gonna need to look around for the article. It came out a little before SDCC.

 

[Sawyer]

Oh, here it is. I guess he doesn't strictly say that the show may outpace him, more that it's "bearing down on him".

Still, I don't want to binge read up to book 5, then excitedly look around for book 6 only to find out that it's not coming out for another five years or something.

 

[Roose Bolton]

It takes him 3 years to write a novel without any major issues. Dance with Dragons is the only one that was heavily delayed. If anything I think the show will make him write faster, it has to an extent. He's already gotten atleast 400 pages down for TWoW, and if he keeps it up we may expect it in 2014.

Really it's not like he's that slow that we won't get a book for another half a decade or anything like that.

 

[Crockett]

It's looking good considering he hasn't found himself in a similar situation like the Meereenese knot in ADWD, I'd say it seems likely that we could get TWoW faster than we did for ADWD, that might change down the line, who knows but I'll remain hopeful.

It's going to be an equally tricky task how Weiss & Benioff will do AFFC & ADWD, to make the seasons just like the books or take half and half of each books of the events that'll unfold in chronological order, it won't be how GRRM intended but going in a different route might be fit more for the show than for the books, I'm just speculating though.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Oh, here it is. I guess he doesn't strictly say that the show may outpace him, more that it's "bearing down on him".

Still, I don't want to binge read up to book 5, then excitedly look around for book 6 only to find out that it's not coming out for another five years or something.

That'd why I'm waiting on reading the books instead of having a big gap betweem.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Yeah both camps would have a problem. Martin has to write before the writers on the show catch up to him and then they have to wait on him. I expect it wouldn't be an issue until season five but when it gets to a point, Martin's gonna have to write fast enough to meet the production of the show. Though he's the author, I doubt HBO is gonna like this being delayed for a couple years.

 

[Roose Bolton]

It's also possible that HBO could adapt some of Martin's prequel material, The Hedge Knight, The Sworn Sword, The Mystery Knight etc see the Targaryen reign before all the madness.

 

[El Bastardo]

There was a very good reason why A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons were delayed. Now that those problems are behind him and all his eggs are in the correct baskets, I wouldn't put the next book past 2014.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Yeah, I looked at the year gaps and damn. Five and six years apart of each? Good thing I hadn't heard of this series until last year.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Yeah, I looked at the year gaps and damn. Five and six years apart of each? Good thing I hadn't heard of this series until last year.

Huh? A Game of Thrones came out in 96, A Clash of Kings in 98 and Storm of Swords in 2000.

It was only A Feast for Crows and A Dance With Dragons that had five year gaps, and that was only because they were originally one huge book that had to be seperated.

We're looking at a two-three year gap with this one.

 

[Hush]

You guys are forgetting they are splitting book 3 into two seasons apparently so we will have more seasons than books I would think before all is said and done. I personally would love to see a separate mini series deal with all the Early Targaryen Madness for us non book readers and just have that film concurrently with the Season and not use to many members from the main cast unless they are needed and just use that mini as a stop gap between seasons. It'd be expensive but totally worth it too HBO to have phenomenal ratings for a WHOLE year.

 

[Roose Bolton]

You could get away with that. For instance the Mad Kings grandfather (father in the show) had his own series of novellas that had a rich story.

 

[Hush]

Kind of like what Spartacus did, only instead of replacing a season you just have it be a 6 episode mini series as kind of a treat for the fanbase.

 

[smashmode]

It's also possible that HBO could adapt some of Martin's prequel material, The Hedge Knight, The Sworn Sword, The Mystery Knight etc see the Targaryen reign before all the madness.

Or have a story set in Robert's Rebellion.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I'd love to see Rhaegar, Aerys horrific actions and young Jaime eventuslly snap and kill the bastard. The only thing is that it would require a fair amount of $. And I imagine only Charles Dance would be involved, even then not a great deal.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Huh? A Game of Thrones came out in 96, A Clash of Kings in 98 and Storm of Swords in 2000.

It was only A Feast for Crows and A Dance With Dragons that had five year gaps, and that was only because they were originally one huge book that had to be seperated.

We're looking at a two-three year gap with this one.

I was talking about the last two.

You guys are forgetting they are splitting book 3 into two seasons apparently so we will have more seasons than books I would think before all is said and done. I personally would love to see a separate mini series deal with all the Early Targaryen Madness for us non book readers and just have that film concurrently with the Season and not use to many members from the main cast unless they are needed and just use that mini as a stop gap between seasons. It'd be expensive but totally worth it too HBO to have phenomenal ratings for a WHOLE year.

Yeah, I forgot about this. I might as well read the books now. Because if the season finale ends on the first half of book three, then there's no way I'm gonna wait a whole other year to know what the last half is. It's just easier to read the book and find out.

I got 8 months before season 3. I can probably finish up book 2 then possibly start book 3.

 

[El Bastardo]

Haha, if the third season is to end where I suspect they'd want to end it, you'd **** yourself having to wait a year to see what happens next.

Or, I guess, you'd swear the show and novels off entirely.

 

[TheFuture]

Got into the show on Sunday and stormed my way through it. Absolutely fantastic stuff with an amazing cast and such unpredictability, it certainly throws the rulebook for TV out the window.

I'd only have a few gripes:

• Sometimes the show builds to things without the proper pay off. Ned and Jamie for example.
• The show is very ambitious with the amount of stuff it is trying to cover but sometimes I wished they'd take a Lost type approach with centric episodes. Then again, I don't think I could stand an entire episode focusing on Daenerys and her posse.
• The battlefield action seems to be skipped over alot, but then again, this is probably dictated by the budget.

Having said all this I know they're only following the novels. Top show anyway, easily my favourite right now alongside Breaking Bad.

 

[El Bastardo]

Got into the show on Sunday and stormed my way through it. Absolutely fantastic stuff with an amazing cast and such unpredictability, it certainly throws the rulebook for TV out the window.

I'd only have a few gripes:

• Sometimes the show builds to things without the proper pay off. Ned and Jamie for example.
• The show is very ambitious with the amount of stuff it is trying to cover but sometimes I wished they'd take a Lost type approach with centric episodes. Then again, I don't think I could stand an entire episode focusing on Daenerys and her posse.
• The battlefield action seems to be skipped over alot, but then again, this is probably dictated by the budget.

Having said all this I know they're only following the novels. Top show anyway, easily my favourite right now alongside Breaking Bad.

They are and aren't following the novels, for what it's worth. It's not a direct translation from written word to screen.

Regarding point 1: What was the proper pay off?

Regarding point 2: I never watched Lost. I have no idea what a "Lost-type approach" is.

 

[marcvader]

I'm holding off in reading the books till the story goes further down the road. I'd rather watch this with no preconceived notions of what to expect in the show. How many seasons do you guys think it will take to finish the first book?

 

[Infinity9999x]

I was talking about the last two.



Yeah, I forgot about this. I might as well read the books now. Because if the season finale ends on the first half of book three, then there's no way I'm gonna wait a whole other year to know what the last half is. It's just easier to read the book and find out.

I got 8 months before season 3. I can probably finish up book 2 then possibly start book 3.

You have no idea how right you are. If they end S3 where I think they will, you will literally be going insane trying to wait for what comes next.