Game of Thrones - HBO part 2 - Part 6

[Marvolo]

Maybe the reason you think Walking Dead sucks is because you've been trying to watch it on FX.

Lmao

 

[RoboAmish]

Officially renewed for season 4 according to their Facebook. As if there was ever any doubt

 

[Rowsdower!]

Yeah, but Dinklage isn't coming back.

 

[smashmode]

Officially renewed for season 4 according to their Facebook. As if there was ever any doubt

Here is a link to the story:

http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/04/02/game-of-thrones-renewed-4-season/

 

[mr. peasant]

Officially renewed for season 4 according to their Facebook. As if there was ever any doubt

I dunno... I didn't think this season's premiere was one of the show's strongest episodes. It certainly was the weakest of the three premieres so far. While there was some setup, the episode didn't feel historically pivotal in the grand scheme of things; i.e. Why did they start the season at that moment in time?

Another thing I got confused about was the show's timeline. When was this taking place relative to the end of last season? Davos' rescue would suggest it had only been a few days since the Battle of Blackwater as he wouldn't have been able to survive long on a rock that size with neither food nor water. On the flip side, Tyrion's wound had fully healed; suggesting more significant amount of time hade passed. Which in turn wouldn't mesh with Jon's story he was already at the outskirts of the Wildling camp at the end of last season.

While it might sound like nitpicking, establishing a sensible timeline is important in order to make sense of and understand a show like this where lots of things happen across many places at once.

If they wanted to start the episode with a significant amount of time having passed between seasons, they should have given Davos a larger island with some resources to make his survival more plausible. Likewise, they should have had Jon already in the Wildling camp; with Mance having just returned from some place else; hence their first meeting.

 

[RoboAmish]

Yeah, but Dinklage isn't coming back.

 

[squeekness]

Yeah, but Dinklage isn't coming back.

That joke wasn't even funny when it was first posted.

 

[Marvolo]

I dunno... I didn't think this season's premiere was one of the show's strongest episodes. It certainly was the weakest of the three premieres so far. While there was some setup, the episode didn't feel historically pivotal in the grand scheme of things; i.e. Why did they start the season at that moment in time?

Another thing I got confused about was the show's timeline. When was this taking place relative to the end of last season? Davos' rescue would suggest it had only been a few days since the Battle of Blackwater as he wouldn't have been able to survive long on a rock that size with neither food nor water. On the flip side, Tyrion's wound had fully healed; suggesting more significant amount of time hade passed. Which in turn wouldn't mesh with Jon's story he was already at the outskirts of the Wildling camp at the end of last season.

While it might sound like nitpicking, establishing a sensible timeline is important in order to make sense of and understand a show like this where lots of things happen across many places at once.

If they wanted to start the episode with a significant amount of time having passed between seasons, they should have given Davos a larger island with some resources to make his survival more plausible. Likewise, they should have had Jon already in the Wildling camp; with Mance having just returned from some place else; hence their first meeting.

Things are definitely screwy with the timeline do to compressing material. Davos spent a few days on the island and it would have taken a week or two to get from the Bay to Stannis. Tyrions wound would take weeks maybe a month or two to heal properly. It took Dany a week or more to reach Astapor. And yet despite all this only a day seems to have passed for Jon. It can't really be helped tho when they are having to deal with various storylines taking place over different periods of time in only ten episodes. Travel really screws it up because it takes a week for ravens to reach their destinations and for people to reach their destination takes a month or more but we always see this happen within an episode or two. You just gotta roll with it.

 

[rashad]

Premiere was solid. Glad to see the unsurprising renewal.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

Question : how does Daenarys will pay for the slave warriors ? With Fire and Blood ?

 

[mr. peasant]

Things are definitely screwy with the timeline do to compressing material. Davos spent a few days on the island and it would have taken a week or two to get from the Bay to Stannis. Tyrions wound would take weeks maybe a month or two to heal properly. It took Dany a week or more to reach Astapor. And yet despite all this only a day seems to have passed for Jon. It can't really be helped tho when they are having to deal with various storylines taking place over different periods of time in only ten episodes. Travel really screws it up because it takes a week for ravens to reach their destinations and for people to reach their destination takes a month or more but we always see this happen within an episode or two. You just gotta roll with it.

I suppose. However, I think the show could (and should) be doing a better job to make it less obvious. A classic method, which you mentioned, is the use of travel since we, the viewers, have no way to gauge the amount of time needed to travel from one place to another. At the very least, the show should tell it in chronological order.

Methinks that opening with Davos (barely) surviving - with flashbacks to Blackwater and his son's death - could have made for a very striking, emotional and powerful opening.

 

[RoboAmish]

Some brief thoughts on the premiere:

-Ciaran Hinds is spot on as Rayder. Deserves more credit. He has his hard edge yet has that mischevious edge to him. Seems to really "get" the character.

-The Tyrion/Tywin standoff was the highlight of the episode. Charles Dance continues to be one of the finest pieces of casting the show has ever done and that's saying something. It's my favourite relationship in the books and I couldn't be happier with its portrayl.

And as for book to screen differences (spoilered in case)

Spoiler

So, Ser Dontos is out of this season, is he? I'd forgotten they'd introduced him last season until I was reminded. I'm not against Sansa knowing it's Littlefinger behind the plot to spirit her away but they've already introduced Ser Dontos so I'd like him to play some part, however unlikely.

TV Jon's reason for joining the Wildling cause is considerable weaker than the version in the books.

The Ser Barristan reveal makes sense given the medium and it was what I expected. Not too fussed about the cutting of Strong Belwas.

That was Qygburn? Er, why isn't he a member of the Brave Companions?

Very happy overall, mind.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Maybe the reason you think Walking Dead sucks is because you've been trying to watch it on FX.

No, I think Walking Dead sucks because it's just more recycled zombie-apocalypse crap that's been done 1,000 times over since Night of the Living Dead. I remember it's on AMC, but my point still stands regarding that and HBO.

 

[Poeman]

Plenty of time to bring in Belwas

 

[Ramsay Snow]

Question : how does Daenarys will pay for the slave warriors ? With Fire and Blood ?

She will pay the iron price.

 

[Rowsdower!]

No, I think Walking Dead sucks because it's just more recycled zombie-apocalypse crap that's been done 1,000 times over since Night of the Living Dead. I remember it's on AMC, but my point still stands regarding that and HBO.

That's pretty short-sighted, if you ask me, and also makes you come across like someone who had his mind made up before you watched a single episode.

I've heard people make a similar arguments about Game of Thrones before they even took the time to watch it, dismissing it as just another sword & sorcery epic like The Lord of the Rings.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

That's pretty short-sighted, if you ask me, and also makes you come across like someone who had his mind made up before you watched a single episode.

I've watched 2 episodes and I fell asleep during both.

 

[chamber-music]

Charles Dance has always been slightly underrated.

I noticed the villains in both Tomb Raider films were Iain Glen and Cirian Hinds

 

[lime]

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

She will pay the iron price.

Can you be less cryptic ?

 

[Roose Bolton]

It's a valid answer

 

[Marvolo]

I've watched 2 episodes and I fell asleep during both.

First season was very different from seasons 2&3. I didn't get into it until season 2. The new showrunner saved it for me. Of course they fired him too and reshot stuff in season 3 and I was largely disappointed with season 3 so who knows what season 4 will be like. As for the zombies, this isn't a sombie show in the typical sense. Its about the humans left behind and the zombies barely factor into the plot. The title "the walking dead" doesn't even refer to the zombies. It refers to the humans still living who are actually carriers of the virus but due to an anomaly don't turn unless they die. And in their universe there was no zombie lore nor zombies in pop culture at all prior to the outbreak so no one ever conceived anything like the dead rising. They dont even know the word zombie. The show flips the zombie genre on its head in a number of ways.

 

[lime]

First season was very different from seasons 2&3. I didn't get into it until season 2. The new showrunner saved it for me. Of course they fired him too and reshot stuff in season 3 and I was largely disappointed with season 3 so who knows what season 4 will be like. As for the zombies, this isn't a sombie show in the typical sense. Its about the humans left behind and the zombies barely factor into the plot. The title "the walking dead" doesn't even refer to the zombies. It refers to the humans still living who are actually carriers of the virus but due to an anomaly don't turn unless they die. And in their universe there was no zombie lore nor zombies in pop culture at all prior to the outbreak so no one ever conceived anything like the dead rising. They dont even know the word zombie. The show flips the zombie genre on its head in a number of ways.

I'm pretty sure that your answer was for the Walking Dead Thread.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

It's a valid answer

Probably, but just spoil me hard.
He said "iron" as she will pay when she is seated on the Iron Throne but if it is the case it would seems weird that the slaver accept a loan.

 

[Marvolo]

I'm pretty sure that your answer was for the Walking Dead Thread.

I'm pretty sure it was directed at Spidey-bat who is talking about walking dead.

To the topic at hand, who was the memorium for at the end of the episode? I wasn't aware a person died on set.