Game of Thrones - HBO part 2 - Part 7

[Hush]

Awesome episode!

 

[Victarion]

Does anyone else think Robb made a bad decision with his execution?

 

[Thundercrack85]

Does anyone thing it was a good decision?

He lost a huge chunk of his army, and for what? Two Lannister kids.

He should have just imprisoned Karstark. Or sent him home.

Though it all went downhill when he went back on his word, and married that girl.

It's amazing Starks live as long as they do.

 

[Victarion]

Robb apparently did. Using Karstark as a hostage seemed the better course.

 

[Sawyer]

Does anyone else think Robb made a bad decision with his execution?

He's his father's son. Ever the honorable fool.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Except when it comes to the sack.

 

[Sawyer]

Except when it comes to the sack.

Like Ned Stark would pick a potentially uggo Frey girl over Oona Chaplin...

Honor has it's limits.

 

[stillanerd]

Does anyone thing it was a good decision?

He lost a huge chunk of his army, and for what? Two Lannister kids.

He should have just imprisoned Karstark. Or sent him home.

Or put him at the front lines of the next battle where he would be at most risk in getting killed?

But seriously, Robb didn't really have much choice in the matter. As King and commander-in-chief of the army, he has to maintain and enforce order and discipline among the troops. By not punishing Karstark for his crime, Robb would've run the risk of more his men thinking they could literally get away with murder with impunity. It was a difficult decision and yes, it cost him half his army as a result, but sometimes doing the right and just thing isn't always going to be the most advantageous path to take.

Now him thinking he's going to get help from the Freys after he's essentially stabbed them in the back by violating the one unwritten cardinal rule in Westeros "A man's word is his bond"? Yeah, good luck with that!

Though it all went downhill when he went back on his word, and married that girl.

It's amazing Starks live as long as they do.

Yep. Even though it was a sincere act of love on his part, it was also impulsive and politically stupid. I'd even argue that his dad had more common sense and better judgement.

And speaking of Robb Stark, there's a rather interesting article on Wired that makes the case for why Robb isn't even that good of a military commander despite his winning more battles: http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/04/robb-stark/

 

[Bruce Malone]

Man those starks are just not meant for the game of thrones world...Waaay to idealistic and trusting/naive except arya interestingly enough. She strikes me more as a lanister maybe that's why she had such good rapport with tywin?

 

[Thundercrack85]

What's the point if it loses you the war? Two dead kids? Just wait and see what Caligul- Joffrey, will do. That's the problem with the Starks (or Robb and Ned anyway). They can't seem to think of the big picture.

 

[chamber-music]

Yeah that was Burn Gorman. He also had a recurring role on Revenge this season. lol He's everywhere.

Burn Gorman is also in Pacific Rim. He really is everywhere t:

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Does anyone thing it was a good decision?

He lost a huge chunk of his army, and for what? Two Lannister kids.

He should have just imprisoned Karstark. Or sent him home.

Though it all went downhill when he went back on his word, and married that girl.

It's amazing Starks live as long as they do.

Two innocent boys. This is a moral dilemma. As in do you have any or not.

You people really are something. Just two kids.

 

[lime]

Coster-Waldau had an amazing episode! He is just great all season. I'm hoping he get an Emmy nomination. Don;t care if it's Supporting or Guest.

 

[Thundercrack85]

When the fate of an entire kingdom is on the line, two lives amount to very little.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Man those starks are just not meant for the game of thrones world...Waaay to idealistic and trusting/naive except arya interestingly enough. She strikes me more as a lanister maybe that's why she had such good rapport with tywin?

Last episode showed just how much Stark Arya is.

Nah, it is their nature that I think will see them last out the winter. That is what so many seem to forget. They have not been defacto kings of the North for no reason.

That inherit goodness and honor has kept them alive and won them important loyalties. It is why so many came to Robb's aid for Ned. It is why Arya made it out of King's Landing alive. It is why Ygritte didn't cut Jon's throat the second she could have. It is why Bran and Rickon made it out of Winterfell.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

When the fate of an entire kingdom is on the line, two lives amount to very little.

You say this on a show where if Jon, Dany, Robb, Stannis, or Tywin lose their heads and the entire complexion of the future of Westeros is changed.

One life can change everything on this show.

 

[Project862006]

i respect robb and ned so much i love that they would rather die with honor then reign with no compassion and tyranny

 

[DarthSkywalker]

i respect robb and ned so much i love that they would rather die with honor then reign with no compassion and tyranny

 

[Project862006]

but i will say while i respect their honor they were never meant to be apart of the game you need spies,connections,know when to let things go for the bigger picture,back stabbing,if you want to get ahead

ever seen an honorable politician

 

[Roose Bolton]

This whole "what is one life against that of an entire kingdom" debate is going to get so much more interesting in about two episodes time.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

You say this on a show where if Jon, Dany, Robb, Stannis, or Tywin lose their heads and the entire complexion of the future of Westeros is changed.

One life can change everything on this show.

Sure but not the heads of too inbreed Lannister that are background characters.

If Robb was so honorable and a true King he would have killed his mother for her betrayal but no, let's just behead one of his most powerful ally for the death of 2 kids.
He also acted dishonorably by marring "Miss Chaplin" because he was blinded by lust while Karstak ( spelling ? ) was by revenge.
Robb must think first and act accordingly.

 

[Project862006]

killing his mom does'nt seem very honorable lol

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

killing his mom does'nt seem very honorable lol

I mean sentence her to death or at least put her in jail.
She betrayed the King order, she made him looks like a fool toward his banner men, she undermined his kingship.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Killing his mother would have been Kinslaying.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

So what ? She betrayed the King, that is a major offense.