Game of Thrones - HBO part 2 - Part 8

[lime]

Major Book Spoilers. Please non-book viewers do not open this tag.

Spoiler

Those two events are followed by:
Shae betraying Tyrion and her death
Lannister's ruling Westeros
Westeros starving and dying of plague and sickness following the war
Tyrion's framing and imprisonment
Arya's blinding (yeah she gets her eyesight back but its still a screwed up moment)
Jon's assassination
Tyrion captured and enslaved then stuck between two warring armies with a third arriving
Sansa being held by Peter
etc.

I mean yeah there are some "hell yeah" moments to cheer, but things in Westeros are far from good, and are continually getting worse. For every good thing there are 10 bad.

I do have some questions for you:
[BLACKOUT]1. How does Shae betray Tyrion?
2. Jon's Assassination? You mean that he is killed? [/BLACKOUT]

 

[stillanerd]

lol at people online threatening to quit watching. Grow up.

Especially since the fan favorites in Tyrion, Dany, and Jon are still alive.

 

[rayc1971]

One funny moment and a lot of sad "makes me want to go punch a hole in my wall" moments.

Spoiler

- Jon running off leaving his lady behind. lol So close the boys were to reuniting with their big brother. I'm glad he killed that warg dude. He's been pushing it since his ass first appeared. I give him props for warging into the eagle to get one last swing at Jon.

- The wedding massacre. The way they did Robb's lady. They went straight for the unborn child! That ain't right. That was the one that bothered me the most. I read the spoilers and knew this event was coming. But it was still shocking as hell. I thought for a split second there that Grey Wind's fate would change with Arya so close. But it didn't. I hope they all die. Hope Arya knows every single name of those involved so she can add them to her hit list.

- When Bolton's sleeve is lifted. What was it that Cat saw that gave him away? Was it the chainmail?

yup why would you were chainmail to a wedding!

 

[Silvermoon]

So I've had a little bit of time to stew on the episode after watching it this morning. I'll probably watch it again once I get home from work.

Talk about a gut wrenching episode. I'll say that, even though I haven't gotten to this point in the book(s) yet (still trying to get through Book 2 - maybe I'll be able to get some reading done the later half of this week while traveling to and from New Mexico with my sis - roadtrip!!!). But I knew what was going to happen. I'm not averse to spoilers and I've read quite a bit about what happens in the later books, so I wasn't too surprised.

Still.... there were certain things that just tugged at the heart strings, even early on in the episode.

Spoiler

Bran & Rickon being >thisclose< to Jon, but Jon having to hightail it out of there to warn Castle Black

Arya being so damn close to Robb & Cat - but ultimately, a good thing she didn't arrive sooner or else she might've been caught in the bloodbath

I hated what happened to Greywind 2 wolves down, here's hoping nothing dire (no pun intended) happens to the remaining 4.

My only consolation is that I do know, down the road...

Spoiler

Tywin's going to get his

and that, from what I've heard here on this board and elsewhere, the Frey's aren't going to have that great of a time due to their breaking of the guest right.

I do hope...somewhere down the road....the Stark's can catch a break *somehow*, but I realize that things are probably going to get a lot darker before that even has a chance of happening *sigh*

 

[Sawyer]

I want Roose Bolton to die by being flayed alive. By the end, I want nothing else left but his face.

 

[Kane52630]

I had to listen to that last night right after I saw the episode. lol

 

[BatmanBeyond]

Spoiler

yes

Thanks for the answer.

 

[roach]

reactions from celebrities:
http://omg.yahoo.com/news/game-thrones-stars-react-red-wedding-170134431.html

 

[terry78]

This reaction from people clearly shows they did everything right with this scene. If it conveyed nothing in fans, it would have been worse. It grew up a lot of people real quick.

 

[jonathancrane]

This reaction from people clearly shows they did everything right with this scene. If it conveyed nothing in fans, it would have been worse. It grew up a lot of people real quick.

Well said.

 

[Silvermoon]

reactions from celebrities:
http://omg.yahoo.com/news/game-thrones-stars-react-red-wedding-170134431.html

It's not listed there, but I like what Joss Whedon tweeted last night:

Joss Whedon &#8207;@josswhedon
Not up on "Thrones" but hear George killed more peeps - can he PLEEZ have my rep now so I can stop hearing about it? #gettingold

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Frey uses his children as barter. He presumed that should Robb defeat the Lannisters and take the Iron Throne, then his daughter would be queen and any sons they had would also become heirs to the throne as well (he also would have a claim to Winterfell, since one of his sons was promised to Arya).

When Robb married someone else, it was more than breaking a promise to his daughter, Frey's claim to the Iron Throne was lost with it, which is what Frey really wanted. If he couldn't get that from the Starks, he would give his allegiance to another.

Robb wasn't fighting to take the Iron Throne, he wanted the North (and part of the Riverlands) to become an independent kingdom. Walder Frey wanted a daughter to be queen and a grandchild to be king, not personal claims to Winterfell.

Thanks for the answer.

Spoiler

The circumstances are a bit different in the book. He stayed at Riverrun with Robb's wife (a different character, her mother was part of the conspiracy unbeknownst to her). But there's a great line by Edmure when it turns out he escapes Riverrun before the castle is surrendered, "All fish swim. Even black ones."

 

[Mjölnir]

I want an instrumental version of The Rains of Castamere the way they played it during the episode. Just a few instruments and not as majestic as the instrumental version in the credits a couple of episodes ago. It's so beautiful and chilling at the same time.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[roach]

I want an instrumental version of The Rains of Castamere the way they played it during the episode. Just a few instruments and not as majestic as the instrumental version in the credits a couple of episodes ago. It's so beautiful and chilling at the same time.

It plays in my head when i close my eyes and dream of sharp things and smiling old men. It plays in my heart when i see good people doe and evil people prosper....

 

[stillanerd]

One review of this episode compared what happened to a Shakespearean Tragedy (particularly since the way the setting was arranged, it made appear that Walder Frey was metaphorically watching a "performance" unfold on "stage" that he himself directed) which I totally agree with. Part of what makes Robb's death tragic and appropriately so is that he dies at a wedding (one which was originally supposed to be his if he had agreed to his deal with Walder) and it was his own wedding to Talisa which, as Karstark warned him about earlier this season, is what brought his ultimate downfall about in the first place. The tragedy is that Robb falling in love cost him not only his chance to avenge his father's death but also cost him his own family, his army, and even the woman he loved. That's just really good dramatic irony, right there.

 

[BatmanBeyond]

This reaction from people clearly shows they did everything right with this scene. If it conveyed nothing in fans, it would have been worse. It grew up a lot of people real quick.

Very true. I have no intention of giving up the show, even though I'm not ashamed to say that I was heartbroken by the events of this episode. I understand the reactions of some fans who say they want to quit after this, it's probably just a knee-jerk reaction for many, because the show's just too good.

But yeah, I'm a very sad panda now.

Spoiler

The circumstances are a bit different in the book. He stayed at Riverrun with Robb's wife (a different character, her mother was part of the conspiracy unbeknownst to her). But there's a great line by Edmure when it turns out he escapes Riverrun before the castle is surrendered, "All fish swim. Even black ones."

Haha, that sounds awesome. Thanks for sharing.

I think I'll probably start to read the books during this summer, when I have some more free time.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

Ooh. Very nice, Kelly C

One review of this episode compared what happened to a Shakespearean Tragedy (particularly since the way the setting was arranged, it made appear that Walder Frey was metaphorically watching a "performance" unfold on stage, one that he directed). Which I totally agree. Part of what makes Robb's death tragic and appropriately so is that he dies at a wedding (one which was originally supposed to be his if he had agreed to his deal with Walder) and it was his own wedding to Talisa which, as Karstark told him earlier this season, is what brought this about in the first place. The tragedy is that Robb falling in love cost him not only his chance to avenge his father's death but also cost him his own family, his army, and even the woman he loved. That's just really good dramatic irony, right there.

I like this description. It makes sense a lot.

 

[The Navigator]

When I first heard that music preview for "Lannisters Send Their Regards," I was really worried that they'd change the scene to have Robb fight back and go down like a hero or something. AND that they would reveal Talisa was a Lannister honey trap or somesuch.

Really glad that wasn't the case. Minor things got changed around or omitted, but they did the signature scene of the series (in my opinion) justice.

The Roose is loose.

 

[Drizzle]

 

[Rowsdower!]

I kinda want that dude who plays Roose Bolton to play a supervillain now. He has that whole "voice of doom" thing going on.

 

[Marvolo]

I do have some questions for you:
[BLACKOUT]1. How does Shae betray Tyrion?
2. Jon's Assassination? You mean that he is killed? [/BLACKOUT]

Major book spoilers.

Spoiler

1.Shae is working for Tywin. Tyrion comes into Tywin's room to kill him and finds Shae in his bed. Tyrion strangles her to death.

2. Jon is assassinated by his own men because they feel he is derelict in his duties to the Watch. He makes a lot of controversial decisions leading up to it. They do to him what the Senate did to Caesar. Surround him and stab him to death.

 

[TheFuture]

It's not listed there, but I like what Joss Whedon tweeted last night:

I think that for the most part, when Whedon killed off a character, there was some grand sacrifice or gesture behind it.

Mind that I'm not complaining now, but with GoT, what makes deaths so hard to take is that for the most part, they are senseless. There is no grand sacrifice for Ned (only failure), there is no satisfying closure for Robb and Catelyn was literally brought to the point where she just checked out due to her thinking her entire family was gone (with her eldest being butchered in front of her being her last memory). She wanted death, she welcomed it in those final moments.

If nothing else it just increases your desire to see their betrayers and murderers get royally ****ed.

 

[Poeman]

i've completely blanked out on this...But why does Bran want to go find that 3 eyed raven? or go beyond the wall?

 

[Marvolo]

i've completely blanked out on this...But why does Bran want to go find that 3 eyed raven? or go beyond the wall?

To get answers and learn about his abilities.