Game of Thrones - HBO part 2 - Part 8

[The Apocalypse]

http://gothamist.com/2013/06/03/game_of_thrones_power_rankings_rain.php

 

[Thundercrack85]

my reasoning was wedding + Red Keep = Red Wedding

Makes sense.

Though Joffrey's wedding probably won't be uneventful either.

 

[Reek]

 

[corby]

Had the idea and quickly edited it together: the Starks have made a huge mistake
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[Drz]

I thought the Rains of Castamera we're going to be related on Cersei killing off the Gay Tyrell kid, but since that's the predictable thing maybe that won't happen at all. :b Tho at the end Robb getting backstabbed and his errors being caught up to him are the logical and predictable thing if you do try your ebst to look at things in a neutral view.

 

[chamber-music]

I think that for the most part, when Whedon killed off a character, there was some grand sacrifice or gesture behind it.

Mind that I'm not complaining now, but with GoT, what makes deaths so hard to take is that for the most part, they are senseless. There is no grand sacrifice for Ned (only failure), there is no satisfying closure for Robb and Catelyn was literally brought to the point where she just checked out due to her thinking her entire family was gone (with her eldest being butchered in front of her being her last memory). She wanted death, she welcomed it in those final moments.

If nothing else it just increases your desire to see their betrayers and murderers get royally ****ed.

I actually like that they are senseless. Characters make mistakes and they pay for them dearly regardless of if they are supposed to be the 'good guys'.

I also like like that the deaths have repercussions. Robert, Ned, Robb, ect their deaths have caused effects felt throughout the GoT universe.

 

[FVD]

I thought the Rains of Castamera we're going to be related on Cersei killing off the Gay Tyrell kid, but since that's the predictable thing maybe that won't happen at all. :b Tho at the end Robb getting backstabbed and his errors being caught up to him are the logical and predictable thing if you do try your ebst to look at things in a neutral view.

You just posted a little spoiler up there buddy, also we don't know if [blackout]Loras is even dead yet, the same goes for Jon Snow.[/blackout]

 

[WildChild]

Rains was amazing in the worst way possible.If things get darker then this! Good God. I don't know if I'm going to be able to take it.And I don't mean that in a good way.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

Amazing episode.
Lord Frey
First his daughters are not all ugly, second, you better not break your word if you make a deal with him.
I wasn't expecting the slaughter but I knew something was brewing behind the curtain, it was a nice surprise.

Some little things I liked :
- when Robb and Lord Frey are making eye contact at the wedding when the face of the bride is revealed, Frey smirk was priceless.
- Mormont/Grey Worm/the other guy fighting scene.
- the face of Jon (ex) girlfriend at the end.

 

[BatmanBeyond]

The first two were idiotic, but I really can't hold the Karstark thing against him too much. That dumb old **** didn't deserve to live.

Losing the army, yeah that sucked, but **** that guy.

I don't see executing Karstark as one of Robb's mistake per se, just kind of the worst solution to that whole situation. A poster on this forums mentioned the idea that he should've put Karstark on the front lines, that way there would've been more chances for him to die in battle alongside his men, rather than Robb executing him and losing the Karstarks altogether. That would've been the wisest decision IMO, but then again, that might've also made him seem weak to the rest of his men.

The truth is that it was a complicated and difficult choice and Robb was shown up (not in just this particular instance) to be a bit too green to rule. And Karstark was right, he lost the war when he married Talysa - it's a case where following your dick, rather than your heart would've been prudent.

 

[Mjölnir]

Bolton is still new the Lord Paramount of the North and Warden of the North. Just because the show may not explicitly state it doesn't mean it's not worth knowing. I think they might since Tyrion mentioned giving Harrenhal to Littlefinger and naming him Lord Paramount of the Riverlands.

Yes, I said he would be both. My comment about not mentioning it was referring to the books, as the northerners never actually use the title. The Riverlands lord is always actively called Lord Paramount though.

I know not every house (eg Tully and Tyrell) were one of the ruling families of the Seven Kingdoms, but they became a great house around that time.

The Greyjoys are lord paramounts of the Iron Islands, when they are under the authority of the Iron Throne. King of Salt and Rock is just another of their titles when they are an independent kingdom like Iron King.

It was very late when I posted that so I meant Lord Reaper of Pyke rather than "King of..." but no, the Greyjoys aren't Lord Paramounts. That was lost when they lost the Riverlands. They are still seen as a great house but there are more of those than there are Lord Paramounts. There's only six of the latter, which at the start of the story was Stark, Tully, Arryn, Lannister, Baratheon and Tyrell. As said, Greyjoy and Martell have other names for their rule. I don't know if anyone else acknowledge Greyjoy's title but Prince of Dorne is certainly official everywhere.

The Greyjoys are lord paramounts of the Iron Islands, when they are under the authority of the Iron Throne. King of Salt and Rock is just another of their titles when they are an independent kingdom like Iron King.

That's true that it's a difference but really I don't think it would have changed much. Balon would have reaped the North anyway and while Theon sacking Winterfell was bad for the Stark's image of power I don't think anything would have happened since at that time in Renly would already be in alliance with Robb if he had lived, even if things were done as in the story. The Boltons would not dare to move against Robb then as their motivation is to pick the winning side and get as much out of it as possible. And even if Renly didn't agree to an alliance he'd still take the Throne on his own and Tywin would likely retreat to Casterly Rock to not be stuck between two enemies (and perhaps forced to obey through all his children being hostages).

It was a big one, but I still believe not declaring for Stannis or Renly and attempting an alliance with Balon Greyjoy were more significant. If Robb was winning the war (not just battles), they wouldn't have turned on him.

I think it depends on how you see it. As said I don't think that any alliance would have been possible. Asking Stannis made no sense. He had no relevant forces to win anything with and no one likes him. Renly was always the only choice and he died. I don't see the Tyrell army marching up to Robb after that even if a deal had been made.

 

[Mjölnir]

BOOK SPOILERS!!! You know the drill. DON'T READ, YADDA YADDA YADDA!!!

Spoiler

I really think they'll handle Shea a bit differently, on the show. I read the books after I had seen the first two seasons, so Shea's character in the series effected how I read her character in the books. So I read her "betrayal" as something Tywin forced her to do. I'm thinking she'll disappear, and take the place of Tyrion's wife in the books as the "****e" he's forever searching for.

As far as Jon goes, maybe I'm in denial, but I just don't believe he's dead. GRRM has pulled the death fake out too many times for me to buy into it. Anything short of decapitation isn't a sure thing, as far as I'm concerned. Hell, according to some theories, even that isn't completely reliable if Qyburn is involved.

More book spoilers:

Spoiler

I think she will die the same way. My main clue was Tyrion giving her that really heavy gold chain necklace, which I think will serve as substitute for that the office of Hand of the King is just a pin on the show.

As for Jon, I'm completely convinced that he's coming back. Not only that, I think he's probably Azor Ahai. Melisandre asked to see Azor Ahai (she of course referred to Stannis) in the flames and she only saw Snow. Rather than that Stannis was caught in a snow storm it can refer to Jon. Now he also has a chance to be reborn amidst salt (the tears of Bowen Marsh) and smoke (from his wounds in the cold).

 

[chamber-music]

Coldplay drummer Will Champion was drumming up a storm in the frey band in the episode.

GRRM loves his War Of The Roses

 

[nightwing06]

I know mainly about the fates of the Lannisters ,so this episode was shocking,stirring,and disturbing everything it was supposed to be.

 

[FVD]

After watching the preview for Mhysa, I'm guessing Joffrey and Margaery's wedding will be pushed through to next Season which makes sense. No reason for it to be next week. Anyway, plenty of things to come in Season 4. Also looking forward to the [blackout]Wildling siege on the Wall, and I guess Tyrion will turn on his father and Shae next Season as well.[/blackout] Most of all I'm looking forward to Victarion Greyjoy and to a lesser extent, Wyman Manderly (might be a Season 5 for him methinks). Perhaps Richard Griffiths could play Manderly.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

I love that Rains of Castamere song. Very catchy. If I had to be brutally murdered to a song, there's worse songs out there to hear as you're dying (imagine how pissed you'd be if the last thing you heard was a Justin Bieber song or that 'Friday' song).

(Actually that'd make a funny video. Catelyn knows something's wrong at the red wedding when someone starts playing Rebecca Black's 'Friday'........ sorry I didn't sleep well)

 

[Golgo-13]

It's not a spoiler, as the sigil is shown on the character/mentioned plenty of times, but if for some reason you're cautious, I put t in tags.

Spoiler

It is The Flayed Man, the sigil of House Bolton. Roose Bolton was a banner man of Robb Stark before betraying him. He was the one who gave Cat the smirk when she discovered his chain mail just before the start of the red wedding.

Ah, so is he the one responsible for Theon's torture?

 

[Roose Bolton]

Spoiler

his bastard son is.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

so who else noticed how when Roose stared at Catelyn he looked exactly like Tywin

What do you mean? The smirk or his whole face looked similar to Tywin's face?

 

[Silvermoon]

Just downloaded the soundtrack... still in the process of listening to it, but OMG... I think "A Lannister Always Pays His Debts" is going to be one of my favorites/most listened to on this season

Edit: "Mhysa" is also awesome, I love the vocals on it

 

[Ramsay Snow]

You know, the more I think about it, the more this show reminds me of Ramsay. No joke. He gives you false hope, then takes it away from you as a form of psychological torture. Ned says that he'll speak to Jon about his mother the next time he sees him, Arya's gonna meet his brother and mother again, Arya's happy when she hears those familiar Northern accents, etc.

 

[Havok83]

I just watched the episode again and that didn't make it any easier to talk knowing what was going to happen. In fact that probably made it worse bc I knew what to expect and I was still horrified.

 

[Doctor Jones]

It's times like this I wish I was caught up with the third book at this point and knew what was gonna happen.

 

[BatmanBeyond]

Crap, I can't get the scene of Talysa being stabbed out of my head. It was definitely the most sickening moment of the whole affair for me.

 

[chamber-music]

After watching the preview for Mhysa, I'm guessing Joffrey and Margaery's wedding will be pushed through to next Season which makes sense. No reason for it to be next week. Anyway, plenty of things to come in Season 4. Also looking forward to the [blackout]Wildling siege on the Wall, and I guess Tyrion will turn on his father and Shae next Season as well.[/blackout] Most of all I'm looking forward to Victarion Greyjoy and to a lesser extent, Wyman Manderly (might be a Season 5 for him methinks). Perhaps Richard Griffiths could play Manderly.

Richard Griffiths died a couple months ago.

I hope we see the Red Viper