Game of Thrones - HBO part 2 - Part 9

[THANOSRULES]

Why have they added so much violence and gross imagery in this series from an already violent book. Was this necc.

Three quick examples I can think of

- Red Wedding "womb stabbing"
- Theon Castration much more ironed out and elaborated (I dont recall this in the books)
- Ros character getting skewered
- There are a few others that are escaping me.

There seems to be a lot of very graphic violent parts added that are not even needed to expand on the source works's already clear violence and themes. I'm not a fan of it.

Any thoughts?

 

[Mjölnir]

There is that small, faintest hint of humanity when Roose mentions [blackout] Domeric, who by a means sounded like a normal guy [/blackout]

I agree, that too is a small but very significant point. There's a lot of grey shades there.

Why have they added so much violence and gross imagery in this series from an already violent book. Was this necc.

Three quick examples I can think of

- Red Wedding "womb stabbing"
- Theon Castration much more ironed out and elaborated (I dont recall this in the books)
- Ros character getting skewered
- There are a few others that are escaping me.

There seems to be a lot of very graphic violent parts added that are not even needed to expand on the source works's already clear violence and themes. I'm not a fan of it.

Any thoughts?

I guess they are taking advantage of the TV medium. "Show, don't tell" is a general guideline for TV and film and things like that tend to create some buzz.

 

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[Spidey-Bat]

I agree she doesn't like Jon, but I just think it has come as a result of her being angry at Ned. The real issue has been twisted over time and it's easier to direct it toward the "object".

Agreed, but the fact that she never saw anything redeeming about Jon or his relationship with her children bothered me. She always saw him as an insult to her honor and a threat to the family.

I think Cat could have have gotten everything possible out of a alliance with Renly. It's hard to negotiate with someone that doesn't need anything but she got some decent terms as far as it went and if Robb was smart he'd taken them. Cat failed because of the murder. I don't see anyone else having done any better.

Fair enough.

My guess is that [BLACKOUT]they are playing on his downsides a bit to have a large heroic moment as a savior at the Wall later. I don't know if it will last though as he is pretty hard to deal with for Jon, good offers aside.[/BLACKOUT]

Spoiler

Chapters with them were some of the most entertaining to read because they're both duty-bound and stubborn. Especially since one of the biggest moments in their relationship is when Stannis gives Jon the opportunity to have what he always wanted. I hope they show Stannis make the offer with some compassion (as much as Stannis would ever show, have his demeanor be like when he decided not to bring Melisandre to the Blackwater) because he can relate to Jon since he in Robert's shadow just as Jon was always in Robb's.

Yes, but it got to the extreme as usual as I don't think a light alternative would have risked much. The complete silence was troublesome, but it's in character.

Spoiler

I think Ned loved Lyanna too much to risk anything ever happening to her only child by telling anyone, even Cat.

Then I'd just add that [BLACKOUT]Roose does have some shreds of noble ideas when it comes to ruling. His "a peaceful land, a quiet people" is actually one of the better ideas rulers in Westeros have when it comes to the lives of the smallfolk, which many other rulers don't care too much about. He is of course not a saint by any means and there will certainly be some horrible things that would never have come under Stark rule, but war is pretty terrible too. And on that topic I think that his talk with Theon about how he knows that there's something deeply wrong with Ramsay, but that it's not realistic to get another heir, is one of my favorite parts of the book.[/BLACKOUT]

Spoiler

Roose is an interesting character and not outright deplorable when you get more on him with Theon later. But until he kills Ramsay, there's nothing redeeming about him. He betrayed his king and liege lord and killed all his countrymen who weren't loyal to him. The only thing that makes him different from Walder Frey was that they weren't his guests. I have read all of Theon's chapters, have to refresh my mind on them.

 

[Sawyer]

Awkward question. Has anyone else found themselves craving sausage since the finale?

 

[Thundercrack85]

Why have they added so much violence and gross imagery in this series from an already violent book. Was this necc.

Three quick examples I can think of

- Red Wedding "womb stabbing"
- Theon Castration much more ironed out and elaborated (I dont recall this in the books)
- Ros character getting skewered
- There are a few others that are escaping me.

There seems to be a lot of very graphic violent parts added that are not even needed to expand on the source works's already clear violence and themes. I'm not a fan of it.

Any thoughts?

Cause people love violence and sex.

 

[Drizzle]

Awkward question. Has anyone else found themselves craving sausage since the finale?

No, but I was surprised there was mustard in Westeros. I wonder if there's ketchup too. If there is, it was never brought up in the books. Believe me, if there's one thing George RR Martin brings up in the books a lot, it's food.

 

[Sawyer]

I don't see any issues with the violence. It's bloody and it's striking, but it's not, like, Saw-level stuff, I don't think...

 

[Pink Ranger]

No, but I was surprised there was mustard in Westeros. I wonder if there's ketchup too. If there is, it was never brought up in the books. Believe me, if there's one thing George RR Martin brings up in the books a lot, it's food.

Thank goodness there wasn't yellow and red plastic squeezer bottles on the table.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Is there a "New World" on this planet?

 

[Sawyer]

I love the food references he makes in his writing. To me, what I find weird is when he feels the need to thoroughly describe wardrobe. It's like, oh hey look, a Goldcloak just walked into the scene... let's describe him head to toe for the next half-paragraph!

 

[Victarion]

Why have they added so much violence and gross imagery in this series from an already violent book. Was this necc.

Three quick examples I can think of

- Red Wedding "womb stabbing"
- Theon Castration much more ironed out and elaborated (I dont recall this in the books)
- Ros character getting skewered
- There are a few others that are escaping me.

There seems to be a lot of very graphic violent parts added that are not even needed to expand on the source works's already clear violence and themes. I'm not a fan of it.

Any thoughts?

These all give the audience simple reasons to despise various characters. In the case of Ros, I was suddenly afraid of Littlefinger. The first example, at least, ensures that there's no Prince in the North.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Is there a "New World" on this planet?

GRRM said that there's continents that could vaguely match Australia and the Americas, but they won't feature into the story and won't be dealt with.

 

[Drizzle]

I love the food references he makes in his writing. To me, what I find weird is when he feels the need to thoroughly describe wardrobe. It's like, oh hey look, a Goldcloak just walked into the scene... let's describe him head to toe for the next half-paragraph!

I don't remember the vivid descriptions of clothes as much as the vivid descriptions of the sex scenes. Which is fine, until you realize they were written by a dude who looks like a fisherman Santa Claus.

 

[Mjölnir]

Agreed, but the fact that she never saw anything redeeming about Jon or his relationship with her children bothered me. She always saw him as an insult to her honor and a threat to the family.

Yes, bastards aren't well received in general and especially in this case Jon clashes with the Tully way as he's not her family. She at least feels guilty about her feelings toward Jon, but it never really matters as she doesn't exactly get overjoyed when Robb wants to make him his heir.

Spoiler

Chapters with them were some of the most entertaining to read because they're both duty-bound and stubborn. Especially since one of the biggest moments in their relationship is when Stannis gives Jon the opportunity to have what he always wanted. I hope they show Stannis make the offer with some compassion (as much as Stannis would ever show, have his demeanor be like when he decided not to bring Melisandre to the Blackwater) because he can relate to Jon since he in Robert's shadow just as Jon was always in Robb's.

I hope so too. I'm not sure if such subtle things will make it all the way though, but we'll see.

Spoiler

Roose is an interesting character and not outright deplorable when you get more on him with Theon later. But until he kills Ramsay, there's nothing redeeming about him. He betrayed his king and liege lord and killed all his countrymen who weren't loyal to him. The only thing that makes him different from Walder Frey was that they weren't his guests. I have read all of Theon's chapters, have to refresh my mind on them.

Spoiler

He's certainly not redeemed, nor do I think he ever will be. I just find it very interesting to see someone do something so bad and gain so much from it, and still not quite be completely selfish in it. I don't think he'll kill Ramsay. He knows that there's something dark and wrong about him but he has still accepted that it's pointless to try to get another heir as he expects Ramsay would just kill it, just like he probably killed Roose's only trueborn son.

 

[BatmanBeyond]

No, but I was surprised there was mustard in Westeros. I wonder if there's ketchup too. If there is, it was never brought up in the books. Believe me, if there's one thing George RR Martin brings up in the books a lot, it's food.

Wow, that's surprising.

 

[Buford The Sly]

I love the food references he makes in his writing. To me, what I find weird is when he feels the need to thoroughly describe wardrobe. It's like, oh hey look, a Goldcloak just walked into the scene... let's describe him head to toe for the next half-paragraph!

Funny story. My wife got me the Ice and Fire cookbook as a gag gift. We tried a couple of the recipes and they are really good. One of the craziest ones is Dornish snake. It calls for (1) 2 pound rattle snake. I should go ask the local grocery store butcher just to see his reaction.

 

[Avangarde]

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[Drizzle]

Wow, that's surprising.

 

[DarkSovereignty]

I like the turtle on his hat.

 

[casscain]

I didn't do a web search in case I happened upon a spoiler. Are the Karstarks distant relatives of the Starks? Also, was Robb older or younger than Jon?

 

[Mjölnir]

I didn't do a web search in case I happened upon a spoiler. Are the Karstarks distant relatives of the Starks? Also, was Robb older or younger than Jon?

Not searching yourself is the smart choice.

House Karstark branched from House Stark a very long time ago. A man named Karlon Stark was rewarded land for having put down a rebellion from House Bolton. His keep was named Karl's Hold, which soon became Karhold and over centuries the Karhold Starks became the Karstarks.

Robb was older than Jon, but they were born the same year. Eddard left for war soon after having gotten Catelyn pregnant (and before they really got to know each other).

 

[Buford The Sly]

I didn't do a web search in case I happened upon a spoiler. Are the Karstarks distant relatives of the Starks? Also, was Robb older or younger than Jon?

Robb is a bit older I think and the Karstarks are an offshoot family to the Starks.

 

[casscain]

Mjolnir and Buford: Thank you to both of you for answering my question.

 

[Pink Ranger]

I don't remember the vivid descriptions of clothes as much as the vivid descriptions of the sex scenes. Which is fine, until you realize they were written by a dude who looks like a fisherman Santa Claus.

I too cannot think about sex anymore without thinking about George R.R. Martin.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing, necessarily ...