The Force Awakens General Star Wars Episode VII News/Speculation Thread - Part 1

[ThePowerCosmic]

That's my point. If one season equals a year. The there should be 3 more seasons leading up to episode 7 in 2015. I'm not saying that the show should go into the future. I'm saying they should end the show when episode VII comes out.

Ohh, I thought you meant leading up to the events of VII. Honestly, I want Clone Wars to end so Disney can make a new series set in another time. I think they've stretched out the show long enough.

 

[KillerCarlson]

Ohh, I thought you meant leading up to the events of VII. Honestly, I want Clone Wars to end so Disney can make a new series set in another time. I think they've stretched out the show long enough.

True, but they wont produce a new show before episode VII, so for the fans, they should keep the clone wars on until the new wave of star wars hits in 2015. And it will keep bringing in some money for them.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

True, but they wont produce a new show before episode VII, so for the fans, they should keep the clone wars on until the new wave of star wars hits in 2015. And it will keep bringing in some money for them.

That's true. Good point, and it would be the best thing for them to do to keep the kids interested in SW until 2015.

 

[KillerCarlson]

That's true. Good point, and it would be the best thing for them to do to keep the kids interested in SW until 2015.

In all honesty. I would expect them to wait and see how the S.H.I.E.L.D does on ABC before making any television decisions. What I would expect them to do is produce Episode VII and a few spinoffs and then if the spinoffs are successful which i think they undoubtedly will be, they will get to work on a TV show. One possible thing for them to do is make KOTOR a television show.

 

[Solidus]

There is a difference between some income and long term strategy. Clone Wars while awesome, does not bring in that much money, it is done on a cheap budget and does not have "that" many viewers. Guess they've been slipping according to the numbers.

THe reason they are trying to get rid of that, and they have canceled the 3D Theatrical Releases upcoming Episode II and III is pretty clear why. They are trying to downplay the prequels, for multiple reasons. It's not as loved as the OT. In Marketing they are going to try to scream "This is a OT sequel!!" Even prior to the PT that started to happen in some senses. Lucas gave people a last year with the OT in 97, then the hype machine started for the PT.

I think Disney is trying to really associate this ST with the OT more so. So I have a feeling (I would be willing to bet it) they are kinda trying to push the PT out of the limelight and bring the OT back into it.

1. People's love for the OT
2. Most importantly it's a direct sequel to the OT and not much to do with the PT at all.

I hope they give TCW one more season. And let them finish awesome on their own terms. I could see them gearing up to re-release the OT (hopefully new SE's that fix some of the complaints) but I think they are going to try to amp up that side to fill in the gap.

To me it's pretty obvious from these two new moves, discarding the 3D Episode II and III (even though they are completed and done TFN reported) and the possible trying to end TCW. I think it's clear what they are doing. But I hope they give a good send off with TCW, because Hunter got me into that. Even though I can't stand the PT and TCW does not make me really like it much better, but TCW on it's own is great stories and great characters. I hope they give it at least season 6 and allow them to complete their story.

 

[antsman41]

Well, they said they wanted an Episode film every two years. What if they start making one before another finishes?

 

[Solidus]

Well, they said they wanted an Episode film every two years. What if they start making one before another finishes?

With a different director for each one, that would be easy to do. I would not be surprised if they do it that way. As Episode VII enters Post, they will probably start Pre-production of Episode VIII.

 

[Kevin Smith]

The only thing I REALLY want to see in these new movies is the SHIPS from the ORIGINAL films. If they give plenty of action with those then I am happy. Seriously, those ships were beautiful...and awesome. Half of my childhood and a big reason why I prefer the Original Trilogy to the prequels. The ships in the prequels don't even compare. In fact, the best looking one out of the prequels was the Naboo starfighter. That's it.

Bring on some OT ships!!!

 

[KillerCarlson]

There is a difference between some income and long term strategy. Clone Wars while awesome, does not bring in that much money, it is done on a cheap budget and does not have "that" many viewers. Guess they've been slipping according to the numbers.

THe reason they are trying to get rid of that, and they have canceled the 3D Theatrical Releases upcoming Episode II and III is pretty clear why. They are trying to downplay the prequels, for multiple reasons. It's not as loved as the OT. In Marketing they are going to try to scream "This is a OT sequel!!" Even prior to the PT that started to happen in some senses. Lucas gave people a last year with the OT in 97, then the hype machine started for the PT.

I think Disney is trying to really associate this ST with the OT more so. So I have a feeling (I would be willing to bet it) they are kinda trying to push the PT out of the limelight and bring the OT back into it.

1. People's love for the OT
2. Most importantly it's a direct sequel to the OT and not much to do with the PT at all.

I hope they give TCW one more season. And let them finish awesome on their own terms. I could see them gearing up to re-release the OT (hopefully new SE's that fix some of the complaints) but I think they are going to try to amp up that side to fill in the gap.

To me it's pretty obvious from these two new moves, discarding the 3D Episode II and III (even though they are completed and done TFN reported) and the possible trying to end TCW. I think it's clear what they are doing. But I hope they give a good send off with TCW, because Hunter got me into that. Even though I can't stand the PT and TCW does not make me really like it much better, but TCW on it's own is great stories and great characters. I hope they give it at least season 6 and allow them to complete their story.

The only thing the Clone Wars has to do with the PT is the time frame. Lucasfilm has stated they are already filming episodes for season 6 and are moving the show off cartoon network to most likely their Disney channel. That to me isnt a signifier that they want to distance themselves from it when they are moving the show to their own network.

 

[Solidus]

The only thing the Clone Wars has to do with the PT is the time frame. Lucasfilm has stated they are already filming episodes for season 6 and are moving the show off cartoon network to most likely their Disney channel. That to me isnt a signifier that they want to distance themselves from it when they are moving the show to their own network.

The timeframe? That's one thing. Do you watch the show? It's got Jar Jar and it's filled with characters/ships/robots of the PT bud. It is heavily part of that PT universe, just executed so much better. They are trying to move away from the aesthetic/look/feel of the PT. And the recent news is that they may not go forward with one after 6. It was all over Rebel Force Radio/TFN. So no there is stuff going on. The 3D prequel films that were finished were taken away too. They have a plan, and it's clear what they are wanting to do with their marketing. They want to create a new look/feel of how the public sees Star Wars and it's mainly going retro.

 

[The Caped Knight]

That Sidious vs. Maul fight was epic.

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Well their you have it, this fight proves beyond question that Sidious was toying with Mace in Episode III to trick Anakin . I wish we'd gotten this type of showdown in the films.

As a hardcore STAR WARS fan of The Original Trilogy and expanded universe, I love the clone wars series it's a great addition to the lore and does a better job in storytelling and action than the actual prequel films. With that said I greatly look forward to seeing what JJ. Abrams is going to bring to Episode VII. He did a remarkable job in revitalizing Star Trek for a modern era, I think he can do the same for SW but at the same time make it fresh and exciting.

 

[CoolCadaver49]

Well their you have it, this fight proves beyond question that Sidious was toying with Mace in Episode III to trick Anakin . I wish we'd gotten this type of showdown in the films.

Lol, the classic "Sidious toying with Mace" debate! Reminds me of my time lurking on the JediCouncilForums. Things got pretty heated over that one.

I prefer the Visionaries comic where Obi-Wan has a final duel with Darth Maul on Tatooine.

As a hardcore STAR WARS fan of The Original Trilogy and expanded universe, I love the clone wars series it's a great addition to the lore and does a better job in storytelling and action than the actual prequel films. With that said I greatly look forward to seeing what JJ. Abrams is going to bring to Episode VII. He did a remarkable job in revitalizing Star Trek for a modern era, I think he can do the same for SW but at the same time make it fresh and exciting.

I feel like Star Trek 2009 was already pretty Star Wars-esque. Will J.J.'s Episode 7 feel too much like a retread? That's what I'm afraid of.

 

[Solidus]

ST09 really did not "feel" like Wars it still was Trek, just a more adventure filled one and took the more adventurous pace with Star Trek. While as most Trek is more "thought provoking" kind of plot's, surrounded with mystery and the unknown. STO9 was similar in a lot of ways to The Wrath of Khan. That does not worry me in the least. ST was still at core with it's characters some of the philosophy as well, it just went light on it.

Star Trek 09 and Star Wars are still worlds apart, one being more sci fi, the other being fantasy.

 

[CoolCadaver49]

Yeah, I've only caught snippets of other Trek films, so I didn't have much for comparison.

But, as far as I can tell, what Abrams did was inject more lighthearted action and adventure into Star Trek. I kinda thought lighthearted space action/adventure was more of a a Star Wars thing. I get that one is more science oriented, and one is more space fantasy, but I still think valid comparisons can be drawn.

And take everything I say with a jar of salt, because the last time I saw Star Trek 2009 was... in 2009...

 

[Solidus]

Yeah, I've only caught snippets of other Trek films, so I didn't have much for comparison.

But, as far as I can tell, what Abrams did was inject more lighthearted action and adventure into Star Trek. I kinda thought lighthearted space action/adventure was more of a a Star Wars thing. I get that one is more science oriented, and one is more space fantasy, but I still think valid comparisons can be drawn.

And take everything I say with a jar of salt, because the last time I saw Star Trek 2009 was... in 2009...

Ya I would. I'm a Trek and Wars fan, much more a Wars fan but I own all of DS9, TNG, and TOS, as well as the films. There are adventurous aspects of Star Trek in some episodes/films so that's not exclusive or new. Light hearted? Ehhhh I say no to that. It had more action/adventure but was not really light hearted in a lot of it's aspects. Comparisons can be drawn to anything, the heroes journey ect. But Wars has an extremely distinct factor to it. ST09 still at it's core is Trek and follows the Prime Directive ect. Too many bring close comparisons to these because they are both set in space/have aliens/planets and have Star in the title.

It's kinda like comparing A Song of Ice and Fire to LOTR.

However JJ did put some Wars into ST09 and I'm not going to flat out deny it, but it was mainly in it's pacing/more action oriented area. There is really no room to worry in my eyes.

 

[CoolCadaver49]

Ah, perfect analogy for me. I see what you're saying. It gives me some more confidence in this film.

 

[Solidus]

Ah, perfect analogy for me. I see what you're saying. It gives me some more confidence in this film.

No prob, with any films/story there are similarities, but there are many more differences. And the core of the two series is so different, I have no worries what so ever.

 

[Octoberist]

Speaking of 'Game of Thrones', it does an amazing of quickly establishing bad ass characters. I'm talking about actors who give off a certain gravitas without saying a single word. Plus Peter Dinklage's character is so damn well written; he's so damn complex and compelling and I hope JJ and Michael Ardnt are paying attention (kinda). Not to compare a space opera movie franchise to a fantasy TV show but how to develop awesome characters quickly.

 

[superman61413]

i am getting kind of scared with this new Star Wars movie. I mean, there is no more stories to be added, it started off with The Phantom Menace, and ends in Return of the Jedi. I really agreed with George Lucas saying that there will be no more Star Wars movies. I want this new Star Wars films, ended. Unless George Lucas will consult on these films

 

[Solidus]

Ya George never planned out all these films till afterwards when the original became a hit. He went right away to Indiana Smith (later Jones) because he thought Star Wars would be a massive flop. Now, He tries to say otherwise but if you look at all his quotes from back then, it was planned as one movie, and hoped maybe more if it succeeded, it did they originally expanded it to 4 during ESB years but then cut it to 3. Later he said he had an idea for 12 ect. During ESB/ROTJ he had written an outline for Episode VII-IX which was going to follow Luke's sister who was not originally Leia, last minute when they decided not to do more right away they just shoehorned it to be Leia last minute.

Then instead of following up with VII-IX he went to the prequels after years of saying he was done. He did the prequels. Now years later he has come back and wantd to finish some of the ideas he had back in the late 70's/early 80's./ He did say at one point they had wishes to do XII episodes. So there is that.

Michael Ardt the writer for Episode VII looked at GL's notes/rough ideas for Episode VII-IX. So GL gave it his blessing, and was an idea of his (which is best when he just sticks with ideas).

Star Wars is bigger than Lucas. Much bigger. He was the initial spark with the original, since then there have been many others that have taken it over (Kershner ect) and many authors with the EU/Video games that have made as good stories set outside the main narrative. Star Wars is so massive in it's history now, and it's universe the possibilities are endless. And George understood this....it's why he gave it away and knew that there were better/capable filmmakers/story tellers that could continue the universe for all time in film form.

So even though he really just gave them the rough outline he wants to be done, he said that again and again during the videos they released with Kathy. But they have Kasdan on board as a consultant which wrote the best 2 scripts of GL's universes Raiders/ESB.

And lol these won't be ended and the massive majority of fans want it. So you are in a massive minority.

 

[superman61413]

Well apparently that is true. Well besides, they have a good team of writers from Disney. Star Wars VII could be good because of J.J. Abrams doing all of these. Sure Why Not.

 

[Solidus]

Well the writer is Michael Ardt, one of the best out there, has an Oscar under his belt as well and is a massive fan of the OT. And ya JJ is perfect for it. With these two and Kathy behind them, it looks like it will be a winner. That and they keep saying how it will retain the feel of the OT. Which is great to many. Even Kasdan who wrote ESB and ROTJ recently said at a screen writing event they want to bring it back to being heavily character based. And it sounds like the original crew will be passing the torch to the new crew as well.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Rumor: Alfonso Cuaron to direct Star Wars episode VIII (and possibly episode IX also)

MarketSaw has been one of the only non-trades on the pulse of the new Star Wars trilogy. They were the first ones to actually announce the new trilogy back in 2009 and took it on the chin because LucasFilm didn't confirm the news for ages. They also revealed the directors list for Episode VII which included runner-up Matthew Vaughn who was confirmed to have pitched to LucasFilm. Another name on that list was Alfonso Cuarón. The site is reporting that Alfonso is now lining-up to direct Episode VIII, Episode IX or both. If true, J.J. Abrams might only be around for Episode VII.

The director is best known for the dystopian thriller Children of Men and his much more mature Harry Potter installment The Prisoner of Azkaban. His anticipated sci-fi thriller Gravity starring Sandra Bullock and George Clooney will finally be released later this year. Alfonso Cuarón was reported back in September to be working with J.J. Abrams on an untitled supernatural/superpower series for NBC, which Alfonso would co-write/direct the pilot. It's very likely the relationship with Abrams has grown since along with the fact that Cuarón had been on LucasFilms' radar. We should keep in mind that three different directors made the original trilogy. It could be the studio is also aiming for a darker film with Episode VIII similar to Empire Strikes Back. Having Cuarón directing could find the right amount of darkness for a PG-13 film.

If this is true.... Holy hell

 

[Gianakin_]

I am now lighting black candles and preparing a ritual for Satan to make this happen.

 

[titansupes]

Make it happen (Just for EpVIII, though).