The Force Awakens General Star Wars Episode VII News/Speculation Thread - - - - - Part 14

[X Knight]

^^ so I guess the production isn't all doomed then.........

 

[guyisnotcool]

Lucky Kevin. He got to watch a scene being shot so I guess it rules out the rumor of filming be stopped.

 

[Batspider77]

this Son of a Gun always sees the good stuff First.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

and [Kevin Smith] was asked if he saw Han and Chewie.

also he saw Han and Chewie on set.

lets just say he saw Han and Chewie on set.

Twitter @KingRichard76

 

[Solidus]

Man, I would love to see some more set shots. Hopefully TMZ can get some more. Ya production has been going regardless of what's been said. John Boyega, has been Instagraming the past week that he's working.

 

[Bam-Bam]

http://www.flickeringmyth.com/2014/07/kevin-smith-talks-star-wars-vii-confirms-stormtroopers.html

Kevin can expect a phone call from Disney lawyers in the morning

 

[Doctor Jones]

I just hope the nostalgia factor doesn't take over the film. Yes, nostalgia will be a given since we're returning to this series with beloved characters who we haven't seen but I want a SW film that's fresh and exciting with its own new bold story to tell that has its own identity, while at the same time is absolutely SW. I think if I had anything to worry about Abrams directing SW, it would be that. Because that's an easy trap to fall into. In order for this to succeed, it has to be just as bold and take the necessary risks in order for it to set itself apart from the other films, elsewise, it will be the SW film that is in the OT's shadow that tried to rely too much on what made the OT work so well.

The Fargo tv show is doing this successfully. It's kept in mind what's worked for the film yet created its own story that's new and interesting.

 

[Solidus]

People confuse what nostalgia actually is. The thing is it is a continuation. Some are going too far one way, and too far another. Some seem to just want it to be the old three, and no one else. Then there are others that want to take it into directions that are not Star Wars. Even though you say "it still needs to stay Star Wars" it's more of lets do all new things. You get crap like the Vong in the EU. To me some get paralyzed of use of things that connect to the past because they think it automatically means nostalgic methods, rather than a continuation/expansion of a story that is going forward. There are lines not meant to be crossed of course.

But with JJ I don't worry about this at all. I don't know why people think JJ will fall into that? Why? The only reason people say that is because of Super 8. A movie that he deliberately wanted to pay ode to Spielberg films of old. Other than that the man has never made a nostalgic piece of work pandering to just that. People try to say STID, but he's not a fan of ST and never was. So you can't be nostalgic for Khan if he never cared for him. (That was more of his writers).

JJ and Kinberg (who read the script as well) said that they are paying ode, but JJ has said many times he wants to do new things. Funny thing is Trek fans especially of ST09 gripe that he "changed it too much". So I kinda laugh when some say he's too "safe/nostalgic" then others that he goes too far in another direction. I find it odd though that when someone like Tarintino do films that are nothing but nostalgic films, he gets a nod for it. But that's for another time I guess.

But what you are asking is a contradiction. " I want something completely new and different but yet the same". It just really does not work like that. It will have to be a transition piece as well.

This is the last thing I worry about because JJ knows it needs to be new, but balanced with a continuation/passing of the torch. And the thing that worked with the OT was they were just better made films. Even they said about the production is that they are "creating" it in the method of the OT.

 

[CaptainWagner]

-I've been a bit worried about them making the films too close to the originals too. It's not really nostalgia, it's just that after the panning of the Pequels, they may be scared to do anything to differently from the OT. I hope they realize that the most important thing is to make quality films, not act like nothings changed in the past 30 years just so they can mine all the iconic elements of the OT.

 

[Solidus]

I think they understand this. Again JJ/Kasdan said they wanted to do new things with it as well. It's a balance. It is a sequel, so just throwing out everything from the OT makes no sense. Additionally it can't just be the other way. But already from the "leaked" rumors of how the story starts out/goes with Boyega and Daisy etc. It's definitely different in terms of characters etc.

Again Kinberg did say that they are making it very new, but they are "making" it the way of the OT. Hence, more practical/sets, and more celebration, and scripts focused on characters etc.

 

[Bim]

I just hope the nostalgia factor doesn't take over the film. Yes, nostalgia will be a given since we're returning to this series with beloved characters who we haven't seen but I want a SW film that's fresh and exciting with its own new bold story to tell that has its own identity, while at the same time is absolutely SW.

Totally agree with you. I dont want ANH part 2, or ESB part 2, or ROTJ part 2. I want the SW feel but with new, compelling stories and characters. I have faith they wont fall into this trap, but i wont deny is one big fear i have in the back of my mind lol.

 

[Solidus]

I don't care for the PT, but in terms of visuals and even most the story they did a good job transitioning into the OT. Which I have a feeling will be the opposite of the OT transferring to the new trilogy.

But I agree I don't think it will fall into that trap. JJ has said he does not want to, and just even looking at his casting, it's clear we have a new trio, new characters and new places to go. I'm not worried about it all. I think JJ knows this. He always talked about wanting to get the "feel" down, but take it into new places. Also again I it's an odd internet quirk that has just become over repeated of JJ and nostalgia as my post above spoke of.

 

[Doctor Jones]

People confuse what nostalgia actually is. The thing is it is a continuation. Some are going too far one way, and too far another. Some seem to just want it to be the old three, and no one else. Then there are others that want to take it into directions that are not Star Wars. Even though you say "it still needs to stay Star Wars" it's more of lets do all new things. You get crap like the Vong in the EU. To me some get paralyzed of use of things that connect to the past because they think it automatically means nostalgic methods, rather than a continuation/expansion of a story that is going forward. There are lines not meant to be crossed of course.

But with JJ I don't worry about this at all. I don't know why people think JJ will fall into that? Why? The only reason people say that is because of Super 8. A movie that he deliberately wanted to pay ode to Spielberg films of old. Other than that the man has never made a nostalgic piece of work pandering to just that. People try to say STID, but he's not a fan of ST and never was. So you can't be nostalgic for Khan if he never cared for him. (That was more of his writers).

JJ and Kinberg (who read the script as well) said that they are paying ode, but JJ has said many times he wants to do new things. Funny thing is Trek fans especially of ST09 gripe that he "changed it too much". So I kinda laugh when some say he's too "safe/nostalgic" then others that he goes too far in another direction. I find it odd though that when someone like Tarintino do films that are nothing but nostalgic films, he gets a nod for it. But that's for another time I guess.

But what you are asking is a contradiction. " I want something completely new and different but yet the same". It just really does not work like that. It will have to be a transition piece as well.

This is the last thing I worry about because JJ knows it needs to be new, but balanced with a continuation/passing of the torch. And the thing that worked with the OT was they were just better made films. Even they said about the production is that they are "creating" it in the method of the OT.

I don't think I said I wanted the same, just aspects of what made the OT stand out like you mentioned. With Abrams, it's new territory since this is Star Wars, the mother of all geekdom. It's something that means a lot to a lot of people including filmmakers who can get caught up in those warm fuzzies from their childhood. We didn't see it for ST because he's never been that big fan of ST. Though it worked for him in Super 8. But even if it isn't nostalgic, things he holds in high regard and loves, (Khan, WOK) showing up as references is something we aren't unfamiliar with. That being said, Star Wars is an entirely different animal. Hopefully Abrams just knows where and when to divorce himself from what made the original film special to him personally and just make a great next SW film for the next generation and the already fandom.

I'm not saying it's gonna happen, it's just something that isn't unreasonable to address and wonder about. I'm leaning more towards this not being the case, but it's still possible.

 

[Octoberist]

Back to Kevin: I have dubbed him the self-aware hyperbole Man. He tends to overhype stuff but is so self aware of it (in a mocking manner too) that it's hard to gauge him and his tastes.

 

[Solidus]

No I understand DJ. But I'm just not worried. He has said himself that he wants the same feeling, but new worlds, new characters new stories. So that is something I don't worry about. Of course we are expanding it and continuing the story, so of course we will have Stormtroopers (though apparently they look very different now). Among other things. With Trek, using Khan is not nostalgic, actually he took a famous character from the lore, just as we do with Joker for every Batman iteration. Nothing wrong with that. Even though the Khan thing was not the best in STID, it was actually trying to do something different with the character.

So again I don't think JJ falls into nostalgic territories. You could worry about that with any director because most in film have been inspired by the OT. Hard not to be. But JJ understands that, and having Kasdan there further shows they don't want the same thing. I really recommend to read the Rinzler making of books for the OT. Kasdan always wants to do new things will expanding the old. He did back then, and since he was not inspired by SW but actually helped create it, it's a different view for him.

So that's another reason why I'm not worried about that. But ya to me it's a balance. Just throwing out certain things because they want it all new is not right. To me you do things that expand what has been done before. So using those old elements does not equate to nostalgic moments unless that's all they stand on. Which I don't think JJ does.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Some of us here on the forum have known about this but have been sitting on it for a while (about a month and a half) awaiting some signs that it possibly could be true...no point getting people riled up over nothing, especially considering the source... I was also waiting for certain people I've been following who have claimed connections to Pinewood Studios to say something as well.

On March 31, someone claiming to have read the second Abrams/Kasdan draft posted this on a sewer website. We don't know if any draft #2 would end up being the shooting script, or how many passes away from the shooting script it could potentially be.

Just remember spoilers make Mark Hamill cry... and you don't want to upset Mark Hamill, do you? Well DO YOU!? So you may not want to read this as it goes into the ending as well in a vague sort of way. Any discussion should be spoiler tagged.

Spoiler

I've read the second draft of the Abrams/Kasdan script.

I've chosen a trip so that people can't BS in my name when trailers, other media, and the film itself confirm what I say. I won't post again until then so as not to be accused of attention ****ing.

Please don't read unless you want to have the film spoiled.

• Leia is made leader of the Republic after her predecessor’s death
• Han is a retired veteran of the Republic fleet
• Luke hasn’t been seen in nearly 30 years
• the lead character is Han and Leia’s daughter
• the other lead is the child of Lando, and either a male or female depending on who is cast
• the other lead is a Stormtrooper, also either a male or female depending on who is cast
• dialogue for these two characters is very rough in the second draft
• Luke has no known offspring
• The Empire still exists in the form of a number of loyal galaxies and are in a state of cold war with the Republic
• The Empire is simply referred to as the “Empire,” and the Republic is referred to formally only once, as the “Galactic Republic;” no “New” anywhere
• There are no Jedi whatsoever, and people still speak as if they are extinct, with Luke being “the last of his kind”
• The main antagonists are an older student of the Emperor, and his apprentice
• The apprentice takes control of the power dynamic between the two pretty quickly…
• The Republic are excavating ruins on a neutral world for a weapon; the world factors into tense negotiations the Empire have had with the Republic, and is referred to as the “Sith Homeworld”
• Loredump: In the script, the Sith are a couple thousand years old, founded by an ancestor of Palpatine called Ruin; the apprentice in this film also goes by that name
• the ruins within the Sith Homeworld are a control station; the planet itself is the weapon
• Luke saves the day at the end, but in a bad way; he has changed

On April 25, Lucasfilm said Episode VII-IX would not adhere to the Expanded Universe story.
On April 29, Lucasfilm announced the cast.

What have some of the people with alleged connections to Pinewood (they have claimed/detailed their time on the lot and one supposedly has friends working on the movie) had to say about this?

Spoiler

Person #1 is a frequent hardcore basher of "fake" information.

[People] should really spoiler tag [this]

Some (not all) of this breakdown lines up with what I've heard. I think this is more like a game of telephone, and this information is third or fourth hand by this point, so there is a bit of signal-to-noise at work.

Person #2 in response to the the plot dump.

Ha. Some of that is so close you wouldn't believe it. To whoever didn't believe the stormtrooper lead idea, you're incorrect.

(^ Some random guy posted that he doubted a Stormtrooper would be the one of the lead characters as per the plot dump and Person #2 replied thusly.)

Person #1 replies:

Exactly. It's surprisingly close on many points. Not all, though.

Person #2 several days ago said...

One thing, though, is the assumption that Boyega is playing a Jedi. This has not been so much as hinted at, and it's been indicated to me that he isn't a Jedi at all, but in fact Lando's son. I imagine he'd make a great rogue, if Han's kids are Jedi and can't fulfil that role.

See the argument play out here:
http://**************.net/2014/07/tiny-tidbit-lessen-boyega-son-lando-rumors/

And is still saying...

Believe me, he's Lando's son.

Boyega is playing Lando's son.

 

[X Knight]

ay!! I'm not gonna believe anything unless it's official.

too much....he said........they said..........

 

[Solidus]

This reminds me of the SM3 info dump back in 2006. None of us believed it but almost 70% of it was true. Some was just misinformed. I think that a lot of this may be true, some is contradictory to some facts, like Boyega's character is not related to anyone perhaps due to the fact of them allowing him to be -multi racial. In the casting. I think many are confusing (like the Jedi Hunters and Lando) with confirmed things from Rebels. Which have both of those things. So there may be truths of nuggets in here. But as always rumors until we know for a fact.

But Mag does find great things, and is a true detective. So he would not post things just willie nillie.

But a lot of those rumors are pretty cool.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

I just wish people that know things or even claim to would freakin' post on respectable websites. Haha

 

[Solidus]

Ya Boyega pretty much outright denied it. But this is just the case of rumors. I remember Mace was rumored to be Lando's dad too lol. It may be the case, it may not. Right now we are in such uncharted unknown areas with so many unreliable sources it's just that...maybe stage.

 

[Bam-Bam]

Pretty confident Iceland is the backdrop for the Sith Homeworld

 

[Bam-Bam]

Ya Boyega pretty much outright denied it. But this is just the case of rumors. I remember Mace was rumored to be Lando's dad too lol. It may be the case, it may not. Right now we are in such uncharted unknown areas with so many unreliable sources it's just that...maybe stage.

He didn't deny he would be Lando's son. He just clarified he was talking about his real dad visiting the set.

 

[Solidus]

Maybe but it really has no relation to Morriban in terms of looks.

 

[Solidus]

He didn't deny he would be Lando's son. He just clarified he was talking about his real dad visiting the set.

No he did pretty much deny it when someone said "Ya there are only two black people in the world" and Boyega "Favorited" that Tweet. Read the whole article at MSW.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Well that notion is no longer true at least...because there's more than 2 black people in Star Wars now. There's also Lupita and Maisie, and... I kind of expect Billy Dee as well. Disney had him out doing all these promotions so something is up why he wasn't included in the announcement. Surprise cameo?