Green Arrow series in the works at The CW - Part 1

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I just saw the pilot described by someone who's viewed the whole thing as Batman Begins meets Dexter meets Revenge.

I am aroused with excitement. :o:up:

Where did you see that? Did they have any further thoughts?
 
:42 seconds into the trailer there is a list of names that Oliver's father gave to his son. From what I could make out from the list here are some of the villians that will be in the series:

Albert Davis - a Star City Millionaire and occultist who's plan to rid the city from crime goes awry. He was killed by Mia Dearden (Speedy).

David Drason - Grew up in an area of Star City known as The Swamp. He was sentenced to prison for the murder of a police officer but escaped and took the name, Slingshot.

Hannibal Bates - known as the shape-shifter, Everyman.

Isabel Rochen - former Siberian servant who earns her way into wealth. Believes herself to be the true heir to Queen Industries and is an enemy of Green Arrow better know as The Queen.

There are a few other names on the list but I could not make them out.
 
Where did you see that? Did they have any further thoughts?

It's from the twitter of one of the guys at IGN.

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Dated about 20 hours ago.
 
I still don't see issue doing roy/mia. Nringing in the characters will allow for them to draw for arcs/events, from comics. Plus as I pointed out before that it will give growth to ollie. With being a man, and taking care of others. Plus as I pointed out before that it shows he doesn't have to be lone wolf fighter.

Its not like they are going to do mia/roy right off the bat. And even if we where to see them. Who knows what they will do with them. Personally if the show can least say 5 seasons. I would do roy/mia in 3rd season. So we have ollie alone for awhile. Plus he will be older then. So then bringing in mia/roy would be more workable.

If anyone should be around sooner its dinah. Since she will already be in the show from start. But could hold her off becoming canary to end of season/start of season two. Like I said before they can develop dinah/ollie on/off relationship. And develop her fight for justice with crni group she will work with.

Then like I mentioned before they can have. Her develop a fondess for green arrow and him bringing justice back to the city. And she could then decide to go out there too and fight for justice, and develop the canary persona. And like I also mentioned maybe can go with early in the season she gets attacked/kidnap. Which then leads her into wanting to learn to fight back. And can develop her fighting skills from training classes she could take.

Then for example if they go the route that her career keeps going with looses and crooks getting back on the street. She could be sick of always loosing. And that also could be a factor in her becoming canary.

Also rock when I was talking about. Sv/ont psa like episodes. I had nothing to say about theere long runs/quality show was. I just meant taking a social issue like aids/sucide/school shootings/etc... are stories that could be played for good story telling/drama. And a chance to help bring adwareness to folks who have problems with x thing. And come on what's wrong in doing that.

Also nice find that the list includes some ga villains/characters. I like nods/refrences like that. If they go through with seeing them all. That means we could be in store for a lot of ga villains showing up in time.
 
Quality is subjective. What may be considered quality to some may not be the case for the targeted market. The truth of the matter here is that these series ran for so long that they must have had some level of quality that was acceptable to both viewers (the target market) and the producers..


The show was successful at building an audience of shippers, as intended. Fair enough.


But I guarantee you within two hours of Nolan/Goyer's approach to "Man of Steel," Clark Kent/Superman will get 100x more constructive development than ever delivered on Smallville.

The show dropped the ball when it came to Superman and his origins. I don't care about selling love triangles and relationships to the network's viewers.

For "Arrow" to be given the same treatment would just be unfortunate.



Furthermore, these shows received numerous awards and nominations from various institutions. It would be ridiculous to think that they were crap.

You are using these supposed awards to defend the quality of CW soaps? Wow.

Teen Choice Awards FTW.
 
Umm sv won a lot of saturn awards, leo awards and many others I can't recall off hand, and nominations for others too. Sure they won some teen choice awards too. But come on about that. Teen choice awards are a fan picked thing so fans pick topics/noms for them.

As to sv I didn't think it dropped the ball all the time. I do agree it had its fair share of dumb moves over the yrs. But there was a lot of good things too. Also you do have to remember there is more then one pair of hands in develop of shows. From studio who makes it, to network execs. So stuff like teen drama/soaap stuff was aspects network from the wb to cw, and many others do some times. And same goes for many other areas of a show development.
 
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I just saw the pilot described by someone who's viewed the whole thing as Batman Begins meets Dexter meets Revenge.

I am aroused with excitement. :o:up:

Dexter meets Revenge sounds awesome
 
:42 seconds into the trailer there is a list of names that Oliver's father gave to his son. From what I could make out from the list here are some of the villians that will be in the series:

Albert Davis - a Star City Millionaire and occultist who's plan to rid the city from crime goes awry. He was killed by Mia Dearden (Speedy).

David Drason - Grew up in an area of Star City known as The Swamp. He was sentenced to prison for the murder of a police officer but escaped and took the name, Slingshot.

Hannibal Bates - known as the shape-shifter, Everyman.

Isabel Rochen - former Siberian servant who earns her way into wealth. Believes herself to be the true heir to Queen Industries and is an enemy of Green Arrow better know as The Queen.

There are a few other names on the list but I could not make them out.

My god. I didn't even bothered to check out the list. Im glad Sling Shot would be appearing. This is so awesome. I shall go check the list right now and google the rest.
 
I say just drop the whole speedy idea altogether, bring in Conner Hawke and get a father/son dynamic going.
 
hawke wouldnt work out right now. ollie is 27yrs old. was trapped at island at 22. so if he had a kid before then would be 7-8yrs old tops. so i rather do mia or roy down road and age up slightly.

as for list names, albert souds easy and doable. slingshot also easy story and skills for tv budget. everyman if no powers in shows, could be serial killer with hobby of taking body parts. and gets away with disguies(think spidey villain chamelon). as for queen dont know powers or history. but probably easy.
 
Okay I found two more.

John Deleon
bankrupt.jpg

This is the guy who bankrupted Oliver.

I think its this.
Daniel 'Danny' Brickwell. (I couldn't really make it out, but I saw Danny and what seems like B.........)
Danny_Brickwell_1.jpg

Brick also had lotsa appearances on Young Justice.
 
well if no powers again i could see brick either having skin condition where name came from, or pumped with steriods or pcp drugs that he feels no pain.
 
Heres how the rest look like

Albert Davis
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Hannibal Bates - Everyman/Dark Arrow
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David Drayson - Slingshot
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Isabel Rochen
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Quality over Quantity. Such things aren't always mutally exclusive.

SV's longevity was at the show's creative expense. SV, One Tree Hill, Charmed, 7th Heaven etc all played towards the 'shipper' demographic on the CW network to keep it afloat. They were soaps.


Personally, I think "Arrow" deserves much better. IMO do "Arrow" with dignity or don't do it at all.

So far their "Batman Begins" approach is the perfect approach. Let's see how it's executed and whether the commercials are misleading or not.

Lets stop dissing Smallville. After all, Smallville really fleshed out characters like Zod, Lex, Johnathan Kent, Martha Kent, Lana Lang, Lois Lane, Jimmy Olsen and Oliver Queen.
They made Superman relevant to teens and build an audience that would make the movie succeed.
They also made Superman relevant, something that comic fans always complain about, that is Superman is overpowered and not as relevant as Spiderman or Xmen or marvel heroes. Smallville proved them wrong.
Alas, Smallville introduced women to Superman, and historically Clark never had female fans like Xmen or Spiderman.

If we're done dissing Smallville, lets use Supernatural as a comparison then. 8 seasons and still as good. Though not as good as the first 5, I enjoyed the later seasons as well. I don't see how Arrow can't use the same formula.
 
thanks for pics of characters all seem doable with everyman, and slingshot likely get some changes. to work for tv. what you think of my change for everyman if no powers.
 
Sounds a little wacky. I think it might work. I was thinking more of champion of disguises, like how spy movies will tear off a face and reveal his true identity. But then, that sounds a little fictional as well. I can't imagine that on a Nolans' film, so I don't know how they're going to pull it off. But I'm excited that they're actually going to stick to the comics, but we're likely going to see more from the ones that Guggenheim and gang wrote. I hope they might take some from the new volume as well.
 
well i dont see issue with serial killer part, who takes peices of vitcims as prize. and duigues could be simple as masks, wigs, hats/different types of cloths. with maybe the guy could have changed history and did work with theater/film makeup. wouldnt be that out there if going for realism. i recall a badguy did that in one of the csi shows a few yrs back.
 
It could work like what you're saying. But since WB have set the tone of the show, it'll be attracting a certain kind of audience to the show. Like some one said, Nolan's Batman meets Dexter meets Revenge.
So it needs to be grounded in realism so that these audience will stay. No doubt this is going to be the breakout show that CW desperately needs so I hope they stick with the same tone for the remaining show.
They can't do this and then start having magic and fireballs in the next season, LOL, the show will tank if they do that.
But as long as its realistic, CSI styled villains, should do.
 
Lets stop dissing Smallville. After all, Smallville really fleshed out characters like Zod, Lex, Johnathan Kent, Martha Kent, Lana Lang, Lois Lane, Jimmy Olsen and Oliver Queen. .

To incredibly mixed success with those characters. Lex, the parents and (maybe) the Zod clone were the only decent ones.....despite how poorly Lex was handled in the end.


They made Superman relevant to teens and build an audience that would make the movie succeed..

Superman is just as irrelevant now as it has ever been.

Hence why MoS is a complete reinvention of the character inspired by BB/TDK.

They also made Superman relevant, something that comic fans always complain about, that is Superman is overpowered and not as relevant as Spiderman or Xmen or marvel heroes. Smallville proved them wrong. .

They really didn't.

I'm sure "Man of Steel" will accomplish that.

Smallville just characterized their version of Clark as a flawed, passive BDA going through super puberty.


I'm sure there are much better ways to make Superman relevant than that. I'm sure we'll see it in the 2013 film. Nolan/Goyer really succeeded with how they handled Bruce in BB.



Alas, Smallville introduced women to Superman, and historically Clark never had female fans like Xmen or Spiderman..

I guess you missed out on the 1990s. You should check out "Look up in the Sky: The Amazing Story of Superman." It's a documentary. It reveals that DC was branching out to appeal to women in the 1990s and tried to retool the character in order to do so (hence the wedding, Lois and Clark etc)..

Today, DC regrets that. I remember a statement last year saying it was a complete misdirection of the character and that's why the New 52 retconned and retooled Lois and Clark's relationship.

In essense, the women factor isn't a good or necessary one. TDK and Avengers are the highest grossing superhero outings ever, and they didn't have to bother with focusing their storylines to cater to women.



If we're done dissing Smallville, lets use Supernatural as a comparison then. 8 seasons and still as good. Though not as good as the first 5, I enjoyed the later seasons as well. I don't see how Arrow can't use the same formula

What formula?
 

Oh wow. Saturn awards. That changes everything.


From studio who makes it, to network execs. So stuff like teen drama/soaap stuff was aspects network from the wb to cw, and many others do some times. And same goes for many other areas of a show development.

This is my primary concern about "Arrow"...... the network that it is on.

I want to give the new president the benefit of the doubt. The previous regime really produced some major garbage over the years.
 
My god. I didn't even bothered to check out the list. Im glad Sling Shot would be appearing. This is so awesome. I shall go check the list right now and google the rest.

I would post a screen grab but my Photobucket account has exceeded its bandwidth.
 
My god. I didn't even bothered to check out the list. Im glad Sling Shot would be appearing. This is so awesome. I shall go check the list right now and google the rest.

Hey, any awards ceremony where a significant number of Hollywood celebrities and producers show up has got to be taken seriosly.
 
To incredibly mixed success with those characters. Lex, the parents and (maybe) the Zod clone were the only decent ones.....despite how poorly Lex was handled in the end.

They also showed Lana as a real potential for being a love interest. Part of Batman's charm is also his relationship with Catwoman and Talia and the rest of the women. Also, they showed that if they would expand the Super family with another character, Lana Lang would be a good choice.
Besides, theres tons of relationship with Martha and Jonathan that Smallville fleshed out where no where else have done. The scene with Pa Kent dying was voted as the #1 scene amongst all the medium that Pa Kent died. And you can't deny how powerful that episode was.


Superman is just as irrelevant now as it has ever been.

Hence why MoS is a complete reinvention of the character inspired by BB/TDK.

Thats because the writers made it. But its all changing with new 52. Well written or not, Earth 1 showed that if they made Superman with inner struggles and what not, following Smallville's formula, it could work. Plus Smallville's comics is actually the top selling digital book in DC. A breakthrough for digital comics, even beating Snyder's Batman in digital sales.

They really didn't.

I'm sure "Man of Steel" will accomplish that.

Smallville just characterized their version of Clark as a flawed, passive BDA going through super puberty.


I'm sure there are much better ways to make Superman relevant than that. I'm sure we'll see it in the 2013 film. Nolan/Goyer really succeeded with how they handled Bruce in BB.

And yet, several millions of fans would disagree with you. Smallville made Superman relevant to teens and women. People are shouting about their favourite female character in DC is Lois Lane. Lex Luthor and Lois are their favourite characters. Without Smallville, Superman would be even more irrelevant in the pop culture and the picture they might think of when they think of Superman was Christopher Reeves in his underwear.
Now millions of teens that watched Smallville think of it as the greatest Superman story.


I guess you missed out on the 1990s. You should check out "Look up in the Sky: The Amazing Story of Superman." It's a documentary. It reveals that DC was branching out to appeal to women in the 1990s and tried to retool the character in order to do so (hence the wedding, Lois and Clark etc)..

Today, DC regrets that. I remember a statement last year saying it was a complete misdirection of the character and that's why the New 52 retconned and retooled Lois and Clark's relationship.

In essense, the women factor isn't a good or necessary one. TDK and Avengers are the highest grossing superhero outings ever, and they didn't have to bother with focusing their storylines to cater to women.

Superman have always been a household name. He is iconic, everyone knows him. But popularity is a whole different matter. People have been saying that Superman is lame and boring. But Smallville showed them a different side of Superman. That he is just like one of us. They don't have to cater to women, but women are not the sole audience for the show.
So Alas, I'm not really going to convince you that Smallville should rock your world, yes it is partially a little soapy, but you can't deny the impact Smallville has made and how they actually brought lotsa villains to life and introduced them to mainstream audience.
MOS would be great, I am definitely excited for that, but theres only so much a 2 hour movie can do. In time to come, people would remember Superheroes as iconic due to their long running TV series, animations and etc.
I don't see Smallville as a definitive story, Smallville is just showing a different side of Clark Kent, catering to the twihards and teens and even the comic book fans. Its just adding a chapter to Superman's long history of media influences. If you want the classic, theres STAS, Christopher Reeve's Superman. A light hearted take, theres Clark and Lois. A modern take, theres SR, a action pack take, theres MOS, a teen version, theres Smallville, or even all the animations Losh, Justice League and his animated DVD.
Superman is too iconic to be defined by a certain version of his media appearances. But with all these different version, theres different audience for it. You may not like it, but it doesnt mean millions others don't as well. Its just a way of reaching out to different audience. But lets leave our disagreement to Smallville as that. Agree to Disagree.

What formula?
That a TV show can go for 7 - 8 seasons and still be good. So If Supernatural can do that, I would like Arrow to try that as well. I don't believe that a quality show can be long lasting. CSI, Community, Criminal Minds, Dexter and etc are shows that ran for quite a while and still as engaging. Quality may have dropped from an 90 to a 80 but I don't see it as a make it or break it.
 
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