Green Arrow series in the works at The CW - Part 1

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They also showed Lana as a real potential for being a love interest. Part of Batman's charm is also his relationship with Catwoman and Talia and the rest of the women. Also, they showed that if they would expand the Super family with another character, Lana Lang would be a good choice.
Besides, theres tons of relationship with Martha and Jonathan that Smallville fleshed out where no where else have done. The scene with Pa Kent dying was voted as the #1 scene amongst all the medium that Pa Kent died. And you can't deny how powerful that episode was.
Thats because the writers made it. But its all changing with new 52. Well written or not, Earth 1 showed that if they made Superman with inner struggles and what not, following Smallville's formula, it could work. Plus Smallville's comics is actually the top selling digital book in DC. A breakthrough for digital comics, even beating Snyder's Batman in digital sales.
And yet, several millions of fans would disagree with you. Smallville made Superman relevant to teens and women. People are shouting about their favourite female character in DC is Lois Lane. Lex Luthor and Lois are their favourite characters. Without Smallville, Superman would be even more irrelevant in the pop culture and the picture they might think of when they think of Superman was Christopher Reeves in his underwear.
Now millions of teens that watched Smallville think of it as the greatest Superman story.
Superman have always been a household name. He is iconic, everyone knows him. But popularity is a whole different matter. People have been saying that Superman is lame and boring. But Smallville showed them a different side of Superman. That he is just like one of us. They don't have to cater to women, but women are not the sole audience for the show.
So Alas, I'm not really going to convince you that Smallville should rock your world, yes it is partially a little soapy, but you can't deny the impact Smallville has made and how they actually brought lotsa villains to life and introduced them to mainstream audience.
MOS would be great, I am definitely excited for that, but theres only so much a 2 hour movie can do. In time to come, people would remember Superheroes as iconic due to their long running TV series, animations and etc.
I don't see Smallville as a definitive story, Smallville is just showing a different side of Clark Kent, catering to the twihards and teens and even the comic book fans. Its just adding a chapter to Superman's long history of media influences. If you want the classic, theres STAS, Christopher Reeve's Superman. A light hearted take, theres Clark and Lois. A modern take, theres SR, a action pack take, theres MOS, a teen version, theres Smallville, or even all the animations Losh, Justice League and his animated DVD.
Superman is too iconic to be defined by a certain version of his media appearances. But with all these different version, theres different audience for it. You may not like it, but it doesnt mean millions others don't as well. Its just a way of reaching out to different audience. But lets leave our disagreement to Smallville as that. Agree to Disagree..


Let me sum up the point of your argument here. You're saying all versions of Superman are good because they are all different and brought in different audiences, and have different appeal.

Fair enough if you see media that way.


I'm way more critical. I can't in good conscience place a mediocre interpretation of a character on the same level as a great one.

I can't place the 1960s "Batman and Robin" on the same level as Nolan's work. I can't find anything redeemable about Kreuk's Lana.


At the end of the day, you have to consider which really nailed the character best.

I firmly believe that Nolan/Goyer's "Man of Steel" script can easily top anything that Smallville attempted with Clark's origins and make the character much more relevant as they did with "Batman Begins."

IMO the fundamental focus of taking DC properties and turning them into cliche CW soaps is a poor treatment and disservice to the character.

I'm thankful everyday that Gough/Millar's original "Bruce Wayne" series, developed for the same audience as Smallville on theWB, never happened and we got the far superior Nolan films instead.



That a TV show can go for 7 - 8 seasons and still be good. So If Supernatural can do that, I would like Arrow to try that as well. I don't believe that a quality show can be long lasting. CSI, Community, Criminal Minds, Dexter and etc are shows that ran for quite a while and still as engaging. Quality may have dropped from an 90 to a 80 but I don't see it as a make it or break it ..

I never said a show's longetivity ensures it's decline in quality.

CSI, Criminal Minds, Dexter, and others have been great throughout their runs. I agree!

If "Arrow" is patterned like one of the popular crime procedural series, I couldn't be happier.

I was referring specifically to the shows on TheCW earlier.
 
Any designs done for character in Arkham based games seem to be pretty realistic and transferable to live action (Batman himself notwithstanding of course as he is still in full on skintight)

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I really like the designs from arkham city, they found a way to put a new spin on each character and I think it worked out well. The thing with batman is most of his villains have some variation of a regular suit, so its easier to translate.

As I've said before I'm curious to see if they keep Colleen Atwood to design the villain costumes.

I think it says something about them wanting this show to do well, that they went out of their way to get her for GA's costume.

Part of making the audience buy into the concept is with the costumes. Smallville lost me with those JSA episodes. Hopefully this show learns from those mistakes.
 
Let me sum up the point of your argument here. You're saying all versions of Superman are good because they are all different and brought in different audiences, and have different appeal.

Fair enough if you see media that way.


I'm way more critical. I can't in good conscience place a mediocre interpretation of a character on the same level as a great one.

I can't place the 1960s "Batman and Robin" on the same level as Nolan's work. I can't find anything redeemable about Kreuk's Lana.


At the end of the day, you have to consider which really nailed the character best.

I firmly believe that Nolan/Goyer's "Man of Steel" script can easily top anything that Smallville attempted with Clark's origins and make the character much more relevant as they did with "Batman Begins."

IMO the fundamental focus of taking DC properties and turning them into cliche CW soaps is a poor treatment and disservice to the character.

I'm thankful everyday that Gough/Millar's original "Bruce Wayne" series, developed for the same audience as Smallville on theWB, never happened and we got the far superior Nolan films instead.





I never said a show's longetivity ensures it's decline in quality.

CSI, Criminal Minds, Dexter, and others have been great throughout their runs. I agree!

If "Arrow" is patterned like one of the popular crime procedural series, I couldn't be happier.

I was referring specifically to the shows on TheCW earlier.

Like I said, Agree to Disagree. I'm not a women or a teen, but Smallville was the show that introduced me to Superheroes in general and the wider DCU. From there I grew to like DC comics superheroes, especially with the introduction of Hawkman, BC, Aquaman and etc, then I went on to trades and now I'm getting monthlies.
So yeah, Smallville may not be perfect in your books, but it did entertain me for 10 seasons and got me into reading comics. So anything to bring people into comics is good in my books.

And yes, I would definitely hope for more seasons than lesser seasons. So hopefully Arrow can do what Dexter and Supernatural can.
 
Any designs done for character in Arkham based games seem to be pretty realistic and transferable to live action (Batman himself notwithstanding of course as he is still in full on skintight)

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Me too. I do agree that Arkham City introduced very cool ways of reinterpreting the villains. I hope Arrow can do the same. I'm hopeful it will.
 
Like I said, Agree to Disagree. I'm not a women or a teen, but Smallville was the show that introduced me to Superheroes in general and the wider DCU. From there I grew to like DC comics superheroes, especially with the introduction of Hawkman, BC, Aquaman and etc, then I went on to trades and now I'm getting monthlies.

Okay, that explains your perspective.


Fair enough.
 
Well the thing with tone. We only seem very few glimpses of things. And don't know everything they are going for yet. Plus who knows what could change once series producers/writers come o board. Sure we know they are shooting for a realism angle. But to me that still doesn't totally knock out metas from happening. As long as they are explained off in some proto science reasons.

Or like I mentioned before just no metas have gone public yet. But there is stories and myths of things from occult, to limited powers. Ie stuff like physicists, telekentheis, and limited strength type powers. And then they can go for some tech based guys like vertigo/dr. Light but depower them slightly and work in techo stuff.

As for the cw/new president we don't know he he is going to be. When he came on last yr. Decisions where already made for shows/and what not and we had what we had. But now that he has full control. We already see a lot of shows offed, gossip girl ending. And now more branching out stuff. Like 90210 for teens, that hart of dixie for women, the beauty and beast for women, and shows like spn/arrow/nikita for guys and girls. So I see he already trying to make the network more then life time jr. Dawn o was trying to do for her run. And we alread know mark loves genre shows like nikitia/spn, and the upcoming cult, and wants more dc stuff. So I hope for some good stuff in coming yrs from them.

Also rock you got to remember nolan/goyer sure came up with mos script and got the ball rolling. But nolan was a hands off producer on shoot. And the script did get some rewrites by snyder/folks who worked with him. So mos isn't just all nolan/goyer. Sure plot/elements they came up probably made it to film film. But we don't know how much changed from first script to screen script.
 
I would love for them to do more DC shows. Since Flash might not get a film for awhile and GL bombed they can do them shows on the CW, aswell as Aquaman.
 
Interesting read and I somewhat agree. But the recent batch of superhero shows in the past few years failed because they kind of SUCKED. WW failed to get picked up since it wasnt a good pilot and they gave it to someone who didnt understand the character or the genre.
 
Good read and I think it makes a valid point with the action. Thats why a street level character like Arrow works. Just from a logistics perspective, action takes a long time to film, which tv just doesnt have.

At least with this character he has a hood on that you can use a stunt double and another unit to film fighting scenes.

He also doesn;t have any powers which is great because your not wanting to see them, unlike say superman where half the time in smallville people kept hoping he would fly.

They can hopefully use the budget that they save on effects and put it into good use, like production quality, better guest actors as villains, costumes etc.
 
Article kind of makes it suck that the Jessica Jones series is dead at ABC. That would've been pretty much exactly what they were describing.
 
This would seem an appropriate time to share this article:

http://entertainment.time.com/2012/05/23/are-superheroes-too-big-for-television/

I found it to have some interesting points.

I think you have to look at the demographics watching network television. Most of them are women and they are not always fond of action as they are of romance and suspense. Make a TV series with the things that women like and you've got a hit. That's why shows like Buffy, Angel, Smallville, and The Vampire Diaries have succeeded or still are.
 
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Among the new shows gettings thumbs-up is Warner Bros’ superhero CW drama Arrow. “It was surprisingly good,” said Ruediger Boess, head of acquisitions for Germany’s ProSiebenSat1. “It’s darker and older than the standard CW shows, and its very well cast.” Two other dramas — HBO’s The Newsroom from Aaron Sorkin and Fox/Warner Bros’ The Following starring Kevin Bacon — have made an big impression too. The Newsroom, which screened two episodes Sunday that were introduced by Sorkin, received applause from the audience. Boess called the series, set behind the scenes at a cable news network show, “an outstanding masterpiece of television.” The issue with The Newsroom and the violent The Following, described by a buyer as “a darker Criminal Minds,” is that they can’t be shown on free TV networks, at least not before 10 PM.
 
We've heard from multiple sources now that the pilot is very strong which is great news.
 
Gl I think could be to much of a budget heavy show for a weekly tv drama. I definately would love to see flash tackled again. Flash effects are so easy and more doable now then back in 90s. So would love to see it happen if a film doesn't get off the ground.

Also great to hear buzz is getting out and is good for arrow. And international markets are possibly going to pick it up. Yay for international fans not having to dl episodes.
 
I cannot wait for this show! Everything I hear about it sounds great, however I don't like 2 things:

1) No mask
2) No sarcastic Oliver

However both of those things can change, still young.
 
These folks have got to get off their asses and give us a full trailer already.
 
Lol I doubt ollie going to be all dark and brooding all the time. You got to remember everything we are seeing now is just from the pilot. They haven't shot anything else yet. And also the pilot is just showing the origins and reasons why bbe becomes a hero. As for mask I and others have made comments. He is probably going to modified suit over time and same with some tech/trick arrows. He will probably see that he will need a mask so if he is cornered by villains/cops he has a way to hide himself. He can't rely on hood and shadows all the time.
 
@thetvchick: First thoughts on #Arrow: Definitely lives up to its strong script. Amell and Cassidy are magical. Can't wait for more! #cwpilots

@lauinLA: #Arrow was even more badass than I expected it to be, perfect match for #Supernatural. Wednesday is going to be my favorite night this fall.

@lauinLA: A few cheesy lines, but overall I was impressed at how loyal it was to the comics/character. And Katie Cassidy is perfection.

@KsiteTV: Of the 5 CW pilots, #Arrow is by far my favorite. (This news should surprise no one.) It is really fantastic.

@KsiteTV: Not allowed to post an actual review but I can hopefully get away with saying #Arrow met and EXCEEDED expectations. Great pilot!

Also not sure why are there thousand of people watching Arrow now, is there a screening somewhere?
 
they were probably sent the pilot since they run popular websites/are reviewers.

Im glad I will actually be able to watch this live, and so happy that Katie is getting praise which is no surprise.
 
they were probably sent the pilot since they run popular websites/are reviewers.

Im glad I will actually be able to watch this live, and so happy that Katie is getting praise which is no surprise.

I think theres a LA screening for WB pilots somewhere.
 
I could care less about any screening. I just want a full length trailer.
 
Im sure they are working on a great trailer since they actually put efforts into those. And they are probably trying to deciede which to promote more, this or the Carrie diaries.
 
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