I thought about this since the Nostalgia Critic brought up what he considers the top 11 dumbest Superman movie moments:
I have to think much harder of what I would consider the dumbest moments from the Christopher Nolan/Christian Bale Batman films.
Batman (1989):
*Batman being unable to hit the Joker while shooting at him from the Batwing, yet the Joker is able to bring down the Batwing with one single shot (via a very long pistol). Maybe, Tim Burton was trying to display a sense of comedic irony, but even so, the whole sequence must require to viewer to supsend a sense of disbelief that's extreme even for comic book movie standards.
*Alfred lets Vicki Vale in the Batcave. I'm kind of suprised that Bruce Wayne didn't immediately flip out over the thought of his butler/best friend/surrogate father letting his girlfriend (a tabloid journalist no less) into their secret, underground lair.
*Kim Basinger's constant screaming and shrieking. I know that her character is essentially, a modern day damsel-in-distress, but you have to keep in mind that Vicki Vale, before moving to Gotham, was a war journalist in Corto Maltese. This in return, should logically, make one more hardened (since the war zone is just as if not more horrific than a grown man dressed up like a bat or a psychopathic, green haired clown in purple zoot suits).
Batman Returns:
*Once mousy secretary Selina Kyle "magically" transforms into a kick boxing gymnast after her boss pushes her out of a window (and his subsequently "revived" by licking cats).
*The infamous "Your nose could be gushing blood!" scene involving the Penguin and Josh. Batman Returns as a whole just came across as one "big lipped aligator moment". It to me, is like the first movie (just replace the Joker with the Penguin, Vicki Vale with Selina Kyle, and Carl Grissom with Max Schrek) on acid.
*Penguin being able to obtain blueprints to the Batmobile (thus, allowing him and the Red Triangle Circus to sabotage it) with little explaination.
*Oswald Copplepot's little army of missile packing penguins. For people who want to rip Joel Schumacher for bringing too much camp into the Batman series, well Tim Burton should share some of the blame.
Batman Forever:
*The casting Chris O'Donnell as Dick Grayson/Robin. O'Donnell was I believe, 24 years old when Batman Forever was made (whereas Dick in the original comics was initially a tween). By this time, Dick Grayson in the comics, was already Nightwing. My point is, it's kind of hard to look past the idea of Bruce Wayne taking in a college age (he even at one point, sarcastically adresses Dick as a "college student") man under his wing. I mean, did Dick Grayson not have some place of his own to live at when his family was still alive?
*The Riddler's "evil scheme". At least Joker and Penguin in their "grand schemes", still came across as remotely deadly/dangerous. With the Riddler (who here, seems to be partially influenced by the Mad Hatter), the idea of him "sucking out the intelligence" of Gothamites was just downright hokey and lame.
*The Batmobile driving up a wall in order to evade Two-Face's gang. Just how exactly is Batman going to be able to get down (I always assumed that he went all the way to the top of the building)?
*Two-Face repeatedly flips his coin in order to get to the scarred side (thus, allowing him to shoot Bruce Wayne). Two-Face normally, doesn't question or second guesses the coin's result (good or bad). If anything, this reinforced the idea of Two-Face being a "gimmick villain" (i.e., the guy with the scarred face and coin) instead of something more psychologically complex/morally ambigious.
Batman & Robin:
First of all, what else is there that hasn't already been said about this movie. I think that we can all agree that it pretty much "tempararily" killed the franchise for almost a decade. I'll try to narrow things down to the utterly dumbest:
*Batman referencing Superman ("This is why Superman works alone!"
) in the opening sequence. It seemed as if, they were trying to break the fourth wall by acknowledging the other big comic book superhero.
*The Bat-Credit Card scene (again, another attempt by the film makers to subtly break the fourth wall).
*Mr. Freeze's puns relating to the cold. Just like what I said before about Two-Face and the coin, this simply reinforced the idea of the otherwise tragic Mr. Freeze being a gimmick villain rather than something more complex.
*Batman, Robin and Batgirl changing into black and silver costumes just before their final showdown with Mr. Freeze. With Batman Forever there at the very least, was a logical plot device for why Batman would change his costume (the Riddler went into the Batcave and destroyed his normal suits). But here, the filmmakers threw logic completely out of the window in favor of shilling out additional toys. Joel Schumacher would later admit that Warner Bros. advised him to make Batman & Robin as "toyetic" as possible.
*The random shot of the bulldog peeing at the fire hydrandt before being frozen over.
*Batman being unable to hit the Joker while shooting at him from the Batwing, yet the Joker is able to bring down the Batwing with one single shot (via a very long pistol). Maybe, Tim Burton was trying to display a sense of comedic irony, but even so, the whole sequence must require to viewer to supsend a sense of disbelief that's extreme even for comic book movie standards.
*Alfred lets Vicki Vale in the Batcave. I'm kind of suprised that Bruce Wayne didn't immediately flip out over the thought of his butler/best friend/surrogate father letting his girlfriend (a tabloid journalist no less) into their secret, underground lair.
*Kim Basinger's constant screaming and shrieking. I know that her character is essentially, a modern day damsel-in-distress, but you have to keep in mind that Vicki Vale, before moving to Gotham, was a war journalist in Corto Maltese. This in return, should logically, make one more hardened (since the war zone is just as if not more horrific than a grown man dressed up like a bat or a psychopathic, green haired clown in purple zoot suits).
Batman Returns:
*Once mousy secretary Selina Kyle "magically" transforms into a kick boxing gymnast after her boss pushes her out of a window (and his subsequently "revived" by licking cats).
*The infamous "Your nose could be gushing blood!" scene involving the Penguin and Josh. Batman Returns as a whole just came across as one "big lipped aligator moment". It to me, is like the first movie (just replace the Joker with the Penguin, Vicki Vale with Selina Kyle, and Carl Grissom with Max Schrek) on acid.
*Penguin being able to obtain blueprints to the Batmobile (thus, allowing him and the Red Triangle Circus to sabotage it) with little explaination.
*Oswald Copplepot's little army of missile packing penguins. For people who want to rip Joel Schumacher for bringing too much camp into the Batman series, well Tim Burton should share some of the blame.
Batman Forever:
*The casting Chris O'Donnell as Dick Grayson/Robin. O'Donnell was I believe, 24 years old when Batman Forever was made (whereas Dick in the original comics was initially a tween). By this time, Dick Grayson in the comics, was already Nightwing. My point is, it's kind of hard to look past the idea of Bruce Wayne taking in a college age (he even at one point, sarcastically adresses Dick as a "college student") man under his wing. I mean, did Dick Grayson not have some place of his own to live at when his family was still alive?
*The Riddler's "evil scheme". At least Joker and Penguin in their "grand schemes", still came across as remotely deadly/dangerous. With the Riddler (who here, seems to be partially influenced by the Mad Hatter), the idea of him "sucking out the intelligence" of Gothamites was just downright hokey and lame.
*The Batmobile driving up a wall in order to evade Two-Face's gang. Just how exactly is Batman going to be able to get down (I always assumed that he went all the way to the top of the building)?
*Two-Face repeatedly flips his coin in order to get to the scarred side (thus, allowing him to shoot Bruce Wayne). Two-Face normally, doesn't question or second guesses the coin's result (good or bad). If anything, this reinforced the idea of Two-Face being a "gimmick villain" (i.e., the guy with the scarred face and coin) instead of something more psychologically complex/morally ambigious.
Batman & Robin:
First of all, what else is there that hasn't already been said about this movie. I think that we can all agree that it pretty much "tempararily" killed the franchise for almost a decade. I'll try to narrow things down to the utterly dumbest:
*Batman referencing Superman ("This is why Superman works alone!"
*The Bat-Credit Card scene (again, another attempt by the film makers to subtly break the fourth wall).
*Mr. Freeze's puns relating to the cold. Just like what I said before about Two-Face and the coin, this simply reinforced the idea of the otherwise tragic Mr. Freeze being a gimmick villain rather than something more complex.
*Batman, Robin and Batgirl changing into black and silver costumes just before their final showdown with Mr. Freeze. With Batman Forever there at the very least, was a logical plot device for why Batman would change his costume (the Riddler went into the Batcave and destroyed his normal suits). But here, the filmmakers threw logic completely out of the window in favor of shilling out additional toys. Joel Schumacher would later admit that Warner Bros. advised him to make Batman & Robin as "toyetic" as possible.
*The random shot of the bulldog peeing at the fire hydrandt before being frozen over.
I have to think much harder of what I would consider the dumbest moments from the Christopher Nolan/Christian Bale Batman films.
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In all seriousness, that movie is terrible and the most enjoyable scene in it for me was probably the moment with the little bulldog, which was at least funny and for a brief moment amused me, unlike the rest of the film.
