Henry Cavill IS Superman: - Part 4

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you guys have to remember evans and hemsworth are naturally bigger guys both are always muscular before their hero roles
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henry cavill is not
 
you guys have to remember evans and hemsworth are naturally bigger guys both are always muscular before their hero roles


henry cavill is not
All the more reason for computer trickery. Honest to God I don't care if they enhance his physicality through Computers of whatever, as long as he looks big.
 
He doesn't have to look any bigger than he already is.
 
He doesn't have to look any bigger than he already is.

no, he doesn't. Gotta remember also that clever use of supporting cast and extras also goes a long way in making him look bigger or smaller on film. (i.e. if everyone else in the movie is 5'2" and skinny, he will look huge)
 
He doesn't have to look any bigger than he already is.
"Have to"? No, doesn't "have to", but it would be very much preferable, since his current looks is far from impressive.
I've been watching Smallville for 10 years and I'm really quite used to seeing a huge clark Kent. Going from that to someone like Cavills considerably smaller size will take some major getting used to.
I'm sure cavill will look decent as Superman, but I want him to look great.

It's a matter of preference, and I very much prefer the big bulky guy look when it comes to Superman.
 
Cavill has definitely come off great in the slew of interviews as opposed to, say, Garfield after that fan-pandering BS stunt with wearing a dollar-store Spidey suit and reading a letter about how much the character means to him.

If you think that was genuine and wasn't staged, then to quote Showtime I've got some land in Otisburg to sell ya.

In Garfield's defense, I don't think it was fake to begin with.

I think he was a kid who loved Spiderman, and maybe knew a bit more about him than your average joe... And they just ran with the postitive reaction mentioning that got, played it up, kept encouraging him to repeat it... And then went too far IMO.

I can understand why they did it. With Spiderman, there is more concern over the 'geek factor' than the ability to act, because if he's a natural geek it sort of makes him more perfect for the role.

With Cavill on the other hand, being perfect for the role of Superman means being open, honest and dignified. Which he is 'pulling off' perfectly.
 
It's interesting to think back a few months and consider that Manganiello was Snyder's 2nd choice for this role, but it went to Cavill. There's quite a difference in size between them - Manganiello is 6"5 and already built like a tree trunk. It would have been interesting to see what kind of differences and effects that would have had in how they approach the suit design, Clark's physicality, etc, if they had cast him. But dare I say, the same guy looks almost skinny in a suit? See below. So don't go thinking Cavill will be tiny, the clothes hide a lot.

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Cavill is somewhat more of a 'normal' size, though at 6"1 and with a decent build he's still not what you would call a small guy.
 
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In Garfield's defense, I don't think it was fake to begin with.

I think he was a kid who loved Spiderman, and maybe knew a bit more about him than your average joe... And they just ran with the postitive reaction mentioning that got, played it up, kept encouraging him to repeat it... And then went too far IMO.

I can understand why they did it. With Spiderman, there is more concern over the 'geek factor' than the ability to act, because if he's a natural geek it sort of makes him more perfect for the role.

With Cavill on the other hand, being perfect for the role of Superman means being open, honest and dignified. Which he is 'pulling off' perfectly.

Garfield's a great actor (See Boy A, The Social Network and Red Riding: 1974) so, of course, he made it sound sincere. I don't buy for a second that it was and that he wasn't forced to do it.
 
Cavill will look fine he was already in shape from Immortals. He should be able to bulk up from there besides, they can do anything with movies now. Just look at what they did to make Captain A when he was puny. I used to think Cavill wouldn't be right for Sups, but now he has aged in to the Look. Me personally I've been waiting for over 40 years for a great Superman movie. I loved Reeve but he was still more pretty than tuff. Cavill while handsome still looks tuff.
 
"Have to"? No, doesn't "have to", but it would be very much preferable, since his current looks is far from impressive.
I've been watching Smallville for 10 years and I'm really quite used to seeing a huge clark Kent. Going from that to someone like Cavills considerably smaller size will take some major getting used to.
I'm sure cavill will look decent as Superman, but I want him to look great.

It's a matter of preference, and I very much prefer the big bulky guy look when it comes to Superman.

Did you honestly think that given Cavill's height and frame he was going to get much bigger? Once he was cast I knew we were getting a smaller Superman. It's not like we haven't seen it before.
 
Garfield's a great actor (See Boy A, The Social Network and Red Riding: 1974) so, of course, he made it sound sincere. I don't buy for a second that it was and that he wasn't forced to do it.

If I were to believe him being a 'natural geek' was just an act, I'd have to believe he never stops acting, EVER. Because I've literally never seen him come across as less than awkward, nerdy, fumbling for his words, geekily enthusiastic about silly things (not just Spidey) etc etc.

Yeah, he is an incredible actor. Doesn't mean he's not genuinely a bit of a geeky kid, who probably watched the 90's Spidey cartoon and loved it just like I did, just like most people I went to school with did over here.
 
Did you honestly think that given Cavill's height and frame he was going to get much bigger? Once he was cast I knew we were getting a smaller Superman. It's not like we haven't seen it before.
Cain was an inch shorter and he was buff as hell, bulky and defined. So height isn't necessarily the biggest issue here, but his body type is.
I had studied a few pictures of Cavill, just to get a sense at how he might develop, and even though I had my doubts, I was hopeful. Now I just have to accept that he won't even look as good as Cain did, in the pilot that is, before they effed up his suit as well as his physique.

I'm quite sure Cavill will look good, just not what I was hoping for. And being used to seeing how huge Welling was every week on Smallville, I suppose I was getting a bit to hopeful.
 
There are no ones as obsessed with size as comic-book fanboys. :P
 
There are no ones as obsessed with size as comic-book fanboys.

Well...like or hate it, it's an important part of the characters visual design, so it's going to be scrutinized just as harshly as the costume will be.
I'm actually kind of surprised Cavill is as big as he is. Not because I think he's the perfect physique, but I was actually concerned he wouldn't even be able to get this far. Genetics is a *****.

I'm not too concerned yet though. The suit will probably have some extra padding here or there to help him along, and after what I watched last night I honestly wouldn't be that surprised if they brought in some digital muscle enhancement in the movie.
Chris Evan's Jawline looked really weird in Captain America at times, but his physical build was 100% convincing in the early shots. If I didn't know better I would have sworn up and down it was a body double. I'm still not sure I even believe it.
Cavill's face looks perfectly fine, so if they go the reverse and buff him up here or there I don't think there will be complaints.
 
Cavill, however tall he may be, comes across a little on the short side of things, and doesn't really have the proportions of a big guy. Sure he's muscular, but overall, from toe to top, he doesn't come across as big. And one thing that REALLY amuses me is how people keep bringing up where Supermans powers come from, as a way of defending his size, of lack thereof.
EVERYBODY and their sweet old grandmother knows he gets his powers from the sun, that's not to say that the actor portraying him shouldn't look big, powerful and imposing. It's not an argument in any possible way to just state that he's powerful regardless of his physicality. The visual aspect is extremely important regardless of his powers.
A well proportioned body with proper size and definition is necessary for a costume like Supermans and the physicality of the actor helps take away a great deal of the cheesiness of the costume.

In the comics he's drawn like a bodybuilder most of the time, that is a very inappropriate look for a live action movie, however, he should at least look like Hemsworth, or in Cavills case, Evans. Because I gotta tell ya, I saw Captain America and Evans looked ****ing huge. And unfortunately Cavill is not there yet. Cavill does look buff, but nothing impressive.

I have very little doubt that they will enhance his physicality with that software that people kept posting here a while back, which even Hemsworth commented was used to make him look bigger in that shirtless scene of his.

I don't care what they do, how they do it, but just make Superman appear big onscreen.

Agreed. Superman's size IS important, it's part of the character. I do want a big Superman. I'm not sure just how big Cavill is, I'm not a body expert but well, as long as they "make" (wink wink) him look Superman-big on screen, I'll be a happy camper.
 
All the more reason for computer trickery. Honest to God I don't care if they enhance his physicality through Computers of whatever, as long as he looks big.

I really doubt they will computer enhance Cavill to make him taller unless you mean using angles. He will get thick soled boots and will look absolutely great. You keep mentioning his height but he is 6' 1". That is plenty tall for Superman. It also means that the 25lbs of mass he has put on will really show. I say wait for a pic of him in the SUIT first. Think about it, if Cavill can't look smaller in a baggy shirt that is also a fail when it comes to the look of Clark.
 
I really doubt they will computer enhance Cavill to make him taller unless you mean using angles. He will get thick soled boots and will look absolutely great. You keep mentioning his height but he is 6' 1". That is plenty tall for Superman. It also means that the 25lbs of mass he has put on will really show. I say wait for a pic of him in the SUIT first. Think about it, if Cavill can't look smaller in a baggy shirt that is also a fail when it comes to the look of Clark.
No I didn't mean to computer enhance his height. There is a new software that can enhance the look of your muscles, and Hemsworth mentioned in an interview that something like that had been used to enhance his size. It's not unimaginable that they would do the same with Cavill, probably very likely.
As for his height, as far as I am concerned, it's not plenty tall, it's ...ok. And there is doubt that he even is 6'1, quite honestly he doesn't look it.
 
They used it some in Captain in some shots to "shrink" him down as well.

I am still standing by the fact that Superman doesn't have to be huge and will reserve my view on Cavill until I see him in the suit.
 
He Looks fine to me. The suit reveal of him wearing it should calm some nerves.
 
He Looks fine to me. The suit reveal of him wearing it should calm some nerves.

Agreed. The guy did specialized training at GymJones for the last 5 or 6 months and packed on 25lbs on top of his Immortals physique. I think that combined with a good suit will make him look great.
 
Garfield's a great actor (See Boy A, The Social Network and Red Riding: 1974) so, of course, he made it sound sincere. I don't buy for a second that it was and that he wasn't forced to do it.

I completely understood where Garfield was coming from. That was an honest and sincere thing he did. Maybe they did tell him to do that to show the audience how much Spider-Man means to him, but the way he came off was genuine. Or perhaps he wanted to do it himself to show the fans like himself how much the character means to him. It never really happens with something like that. Just because he's an actor doesn't mean he faked it. Maybe just once, he actually meant it and it wasn't some stunt or an act? We've seen him leading up to Spider-Man explaining how much a fan he is of the character and what it means to him. What he did came from the heart. He was nervous as hell, but I felt what he said, as a fellow Spider-Man fan. You can't fake that. I guess my reaction was for nothing then, and it was just some stunt.
 
how is cavill not tall enough he is same height as christian bale and superman and batman are drawn to have the same height in the comics
 
Garfield's a great actor (See Boy A, The Social Network and Red Riding: 1974) so, of course, he made it sound sincere. I don't buy for a second that it was and that he wasn't forced to do it.
Why would they force him to act like his a fan of Spider-man :huh:

Spider-man is a big enough brand that people involved don't have to pander to fans for the movies to be a success.
 
Well to be honest, we have no idea if Garfield was being sincere or not being sincere. To me it looked like something that was created in a lab by the studio or a publicist to put him over. His words and his thoughts could have been sincere, but the entire situation was staged.

All of that being said, this is the SUPERMAN forum. Talk Superman.
 
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