Henry Cavill IS Superman: - Part 4

[SuperDaniel]

He looks pretty big to me.

 

[Slugster]

He is bigger than he was in the imortals his neck is thicker too. He will look good and so will his suit..... I hope.

 

[KalMart]

He is bigger than he was in the imortals his neck is thicker too. He will look good and so will his suit..... I hope.

I don't think we should be opposed to some strategic padding helping it even further. As long as it doesn't look like padding.

 

[DorkyFresh]

while he doesn't have the broad shoulders of Evans or Hemsworth, i think he's plenty big...

here's an Immortals pic for comparison.

...also keep in mind that this is him in his relaxed state. he hasn't done anything to pump up his muscles so that he looks as his maximum size.


edit: a lot of people were saying that they would be happy if Cavill got to the size that he looks like in my manip...

Spoiler

...looks like he's pretty close to me.

 

[KalMart]

I think you have to look harder to notice it with Cavill. But hey, maybe this version of superman just won't look as big as Captain America or Thor. I guess he doesn't need as much size and muscle because he's superpowered by the sun et al.

 

[DorkyFresh]

another one...

...while he's not as big as a lot of people would want him to be, if he looks about as big as my projection then i'd say he's just about perfect. remember, he's just starting out so he doesn't have to be huge. there's plenty of time for Cavill to fill out for the sequels.

 

[KalMart]

another one...

...while he's not as big as a lot of people would want him to be, if he looks about as big as my projection then i'd say he's just about perfect. remember, he's just starting out so he doesn't have to be huge. there's plenty of time for Cavill to fill out for the sequels.

That's not really an accurate way of gauging it, but let's just say that he'll have a nice athletic build. No, he won't look like Hemsworth or Evans or jackman...or even Routh...without some visual enhancement. But if he's good enough in the role, it may not matter as much, ultimately.

And as for sequels...well...the legal issues may have something to say about that, but that's another discussion.

 

[DorkyFresh]

i didn't say it was accurate, but if you have artistic talent and solid knowledge of anatomy along with how clothes act (all of which i have) then i'd say it's a good guesstimate/projection. it's not supposed to represent EXACTLY how his build will look in the movie but more or less give you an idea of what it COULD look like using the resources that we've been given.

 

[DKDetective]

while he doesn't have the broad shoulders of Evans or Hemsworth, i think he's plenty big...

here's an Immortals pic for comparison.

...also keep in mind that this is him in his relaxed state. he hasn't done anything to pump up his muscles so that he looks as his maximum size.


edit: a lot of people were saying that they would be happy if Cavill got to the size that he looks like in my manip...

Spoiler

...looks like he's pretty close to me.

I'd actually disagree with the comparison to Evans (not sure about Hemsworth). Chris Evans, despite carrying lots of lean muscle, actually strikes me as not a very big guy (at least in the traditional wide shoulders, barrel chest sort of way eg. Arnold).

Hrmmm.... he is probably wider than Cavill, but he often appears "thin" to me (from front to back). Like in the the most common shirtless shot of Evans from Captain America. I think Cavill, even if proportionately smaller, will look bigger and more iconically Superman-esque because he has a bigger ribcage and just better overall structure.

I think he will also outdo Routh and (please don't kill me) Reeve in this regard -quite simply because he shorter. You don't find many 6'3 to 6'4 people who are actually as wide and thick as Superman is traditionally drawn. You can probably better pull off the illusion of both width and height using a shorter actor like Cavill.

 

[Astrodust]

He better get a new trainer and nutritionist, and start putting on some serious muscle fast...or maybe they'll enhance him digitally in the movie. Then again, with his frame and proportions, more muscle might just make him look too stocky like it did with Bale.

No offense Kalmart but you keep posting the same **** about Cavill being not big enough. Is Clark suppose to look big in a shirt? Cavill has said he is 25lbs heavier than he was in Immortals. If you've seen that trailer then that is actually a lot of weight he has put on. Why do you keep judging him based on what he looks like in a loose shirt?

 

[KalMart]

No offense Kalmart but you keep posting the same **** about Cavill being not big enough. Is Clark suppose to look big in a shirt? Cavill has said he is 25lbs heavier than he was in Immortals. If you've seen that trailer then that is actually a lot of weight he has put on. Why do you keep judging him based on what he looks like in a loose shirt?

Honestly...I'm not really that bothered by his size because it's not like he can ever look like Jackman or Hemsworth anyway. It's just that when he said he had put on that much weight, it was a surprise because he really doesn't look that different. I guess I was expecting him to be a lot more buff (yes, even with a button down...you can tell) and broad in the shoulders, but when it comes down to it, maybe it's better that he isn't with his frame. It was just a bit shocking because he looked to me that he just recently started his new workout. But if he's not going to be as tall and broad as Routh or Reeve, if his acting is good enough, it might not matter as much, ultimately.

edit:
okay...based on this pic...

...he look really lean, so the 25 lbs makes a bit more sense now. But he still looks like he could use another 10-15 in the shoulders, arms, and chest. But again, it might make him look more stocky so maybe it's better that he holds somewhere near what he is now.

He does look taller in that above pic, though.

 

[KalMart]

i didn't say it was accurate, but if you have artistic talent and solid knowledge of anatomy along with how clothes act (all of which i have) then i'd say it's a good guesstimate/projection. it's not supposed to represent EXACTLY how his build will look in the movie but more or less give you an idea of what it COULD look like using the resources that we've been given.

More like 'artistic license' in this case, actually. And I have plenty of sense and reference of physicality and athleticism to gauge from those pics...'talent' maybe another story, depending on who you ask . Keep in mind, it's not a knock against Cavill being a runt or anything. He's got a good, fit, athletic build. Just not heavily muscular or wide...so if that really matters for some, he's going to fall a bit short. Hopefully, it won't matter as much and his performance will sell it all nicely.

I'd actually disagree with the comparison to Evans (not sure about Hemsworth). Chris Evans, despite carrying lots of lean muscle, actually strikes me as not a very big guy (at least in the traditional wide shoulders, barrel chest sort of way eg. Arnold).

Hrmmm.... he is probably wider than Cavill, but he often appears "thin" to me (from front to back). Like in the the most common shirtless shot of Evans from Captain America. I think Cavill, even if proportionately smaller, will look bigger and more iconically Superman-esque because he has a bigger ribcage and just better overall structure.

I think he will also outdo Routh and (please don't kill me) Reeve in this regard -quite simply because he shorter. You don't find many 6'3 to 6'4 people who are actually as wide and thick as Superman is traditionally drawn. You can probably better pull off the illusion of both width and height using a shorter actor like Cavill.

Evans has got a pretty good frame, though. Broad shoulders and a relatively small head. Helps him look taller when he puts on muscle, like he did for Capt. America. Even though he's actually shorter than Cavill (as I recall), he just looks taller and broader. Cavill's proportions are more that of a normal to shorter person in comparisoin...he has a relatively bigger head, and his shoulders look narrower and limbs shorter. But he does look taller the leaner that he is, so it's kind of a catch-22.

But regardless, Cavill is what we have to work with, and he's certainly not a dwarf. So hopefully, a well-designed suit, a shorter haircut, and some camera work will help fill out the physical part while his talent takes care of the rest.

 

[DorkyFresh]

More like 'artistic license' in this case, actually.

no, ACTUALLY "artistic license" is taking Superman's belt and making it a "V" shape instead of straight or doing away with his trunks. artistic license is when you take something that is established and put your own spin on it. what i did was take the images from Comic-Con and provided an illustrated x-ray of his build based upon what i've observed on how clothing reacts to the human body. i took my best educated guess. please don't try to detract from my abilities.

And I have plenty of sense and reference of physicality and athleticism to gauge from those pics.

that's fine and all and i'm not doubting you...but if so, please tell me how i've projected an inaccurate depiction of his build. tell me why his biceps can't be that big or why his chest wouldn't be that shape or size. if you're going to discredit my projections then you're going to have to do a lot more than just saying that i'm taking artistic license and throwing out that you have your own sense of anatomy. i normally don't like being so blunt but in this case....put up or shut up.

 

[KalMart]

no, ACTUALLY "artistic license" is taking Superman's belt and making it a "V" shape instead of straight or doing away with his trunks. artistic license is when you take something that is established and put your own spin on it. what i did was take the images from Comic-Con and provided an illustrated x-ray of his build based upon what i've observed on how clothing reacts to the human body. i took my best educated guess. please don't try to detract from my abilities.

And imaginary bulging muscles, apparently.

Don't worry, your abilities are safe.

that's fine and all and i'm not doubting you...but if so, please tell me how i've projected an inaccurate depiction of his build. tell me why his biceps can't be that big or why his chest wouldn't be that shape or size. if you're going to discredit my projections then you're going to have to do a lot more than just saying that i'm taking artistic license and throwing out that you have your own sense of anatomy. i normally don't like being so blunt but in this case....put up or shut up.

Tell me why they can't NOT be as big as you're depicting....and chill out or check out. Then we can have a discussion.

 

[DorkyFresh]

And imaginary bulging muscles, apparently.

now you're just being a d***...

Don't worry, your abilities are safe.

well when all you do is come back with empty arguments, then yeah...i don't have to worry about you discrediting my projections.

Tell me why they can't NOT be as big as you're depicting...

because his sleeves would be more folded and loose than they are in those pictures if his biceps and triceps were any smaller. most business shirts are less than 1/8 of an inch thick so it's not as if it's a thick material that would add mass to the size of his arms. that's only PART of the reason why...

...since you tried to divert attention and dodge my challenge, i STILL await your reason why he can't be as big as i depicted.

and try chilling out. Then we can have a discussion.

yes...BECAUSE MY ENTIRE POST LOOKED LIKE THIS, INDICATING THAT I WAS YELLING AND LOSING CONTROL OF MY EMOTIONS WITHOUT PROVIDING LOGIC OR REASONING!!! ARRRGGGHHHFDFFLASDF!!! *ends sarcasm*

 

[KalMart]

now you're just being a d***...

Maybe it just seems that way to a b@by.

well when all you do is come back with empty arguments, then yeah...i don't have to worry about you discrediting my projections.

A bit sensitive about your 'abilities', no?

By the way, I never discredited them.

because his sleeves would be more folded and loose than they are in those pictures if his biceps and triceps were any smaller. most business shirts a less than 1/8 of an inch thick so it's not as if it's a thick material that would add mass to the size of his arms. that's only PART of the reason why...

But you can see how loose fitting it is in a lot of areas. There's no reason to think that it can't hang straight and not be against his skin at every square inch of the arms. Look at the pic of Evans and how that thin shirt is around his arms and shoulders.

...since you tried to divert attention and dodge my challenge, i STILL await your reason why he can't be as big as i depicted.

Hate to break it to you, but you don't present much of a challenge.

I never said it can't be the way you depicted...as in impossible...just that it also can't NOT be that way, either.

yes...BECAUSE MY ENTIRE POST LOOKED LIKE THIS, INDICATING THAT I WAS YELLING AND LOSING CONTROL OF MY EMOTIONS WITHOUT PROVIDING LOGIC OR REASONING!!! ARRRGGGHHHFDFFLASDF!!! *ends sarcasm*

You don't need caps to betray your hand. A for effort, though.


Seriously, enough though. He's not scrawny by any measure. He just doesn't look to have as mesomorphic a body/frame/musculature as Evans or Hemsworth for their roles. But it just may not end up mattering as much if his performance and the movie are really good.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I'll judge whether he's big enough for my taste or not once we've seen an ACTUAL PICTURE of him as SUPERMAN...

I mean, look here:

I'd say Evans looks bigger here than Hemsworth.

There is nothing remarkable about how he looks in normal clothes.

And he turned out fine

 

[KRIM]

Hemsworth had already slimmed down by that point. He was a year off from finishing Thor, and getting ready to shoot Avengers. So that's him at his "natural" state.

 

[KalMart]

I'll judge whether he's big enough for my taste or not once we've seen an ACTUAL PICTURE of him as SUPERMAN...

I mean, look here:

I'd say Evans looks bigger here than Hemsworth.

There is nothing remarkable about how he looks in normal clothes.

And he turned out fine

He looks pretty darn country-strong.

 

[DorkyFresh]

Maybe it just seems that way to a b@by.

is that how you handle being called out? by calling the other person a baby.......with an @, as if it's a cuss word?

A bit sensitive about your 'abilities', no?

By the way, I never discredited them.

sensitive?? not really...i'm confident in them. that's why you haven't discredited them despite your empty assaults.

But you can see how loose fitting it is in a lot of areas. There's no reason to think that it can't hang straight and not be against his skin at every square inch of the arms. Look at the pic of Evans and how that thin shirt is around his arms and shoulders.

it's not really loose fitting around his shoulders and upper arm. it's not like Evans' boy-band type shirt that was CLEARLY meant to show off his physique because Cavill is wearing a BUSINESS shirt that was meant for HIDING his physique (he was there to talk promote Immortals, not Superman), however, if you look at the thickness of Cavill's upper arms at Comic-Con compared to his forearms there's quite a difference especially when you compare them to his arms from the Immortals picture where his upper arms are more proportionate with his forearms.

Hate to break it to you, but you don't present much of a challenge.

yeah, that's why you keep replying whatever helps you sleep better tonight...

I never said it can't be the way you depicted...as in impossible...

no you just insinuated that i was taking 'artistic license' with human anatomy and clothing behavior nice backpedaling btw...

You don't need caps to betray your hand. A for effort, though.

boy you sure have got me figured out don't ya? well regardless of whether i'm chill or riled up, i play by the rules of the board and i'll continue to provide my views and insight regardless of who likes them or not. i'm not gonna "chill" just to have a discussion with you but if you want to keep going, then let's dance!

Seriously, enough though.

oh okay, well i guess you're done.

i actually agree with a lot of what you say about his frame and his performance et cetera, and i just don't know why you felt like being a d*** about my projections.

 

[KalMart]

is that how you handle being called out? by calling the other person a baby.......with an @, as if it's a cuss word?


sensitive?? not really...i'm confident in them. that's why you haven't discredited them despite your empty assaults.


it's not really loose fitting around his shoulders and upper arm. it's not like Evans' boy-band type shirt that was CLEARLY meant to show off his physique because Cavill is wearing a BUSINESS shirt that was meant for HIDING his physique (he was there to talk promote Immortals, not Superman), however, if you look at the thickness of Cavill's upper arms at Comic-Con compared to his forearms there's quite a difference especially when you compare them to his arms from the Immortals picture where his upper arms are more proportionate with his forearms.


yeah, that's why you keep replying whatever helps you sleep better tonight...


no you just insinuated that i was taking 'artistic license' with human anatomy and clothing behavior nice backpedaling btw...


boy you sure have got me figured out don't ya? well regardless of whether i'm chill or riled up, i play by the rules of the board and i'll continue to provide my views and insight regardless of who likes them or not. i'm not gonna "chill" just to have a discussion with you but if you want to keep going, then let's dance!

Priceless.

 

[KalMart]

I'll judge whether he's big enough for my taste or not once we've seen an ACTUAL PICTURE of him as SUPERMAN...

I mean, look here:

I'd say Evans looks bigger here than Hemsworth.

I think Hemsworth just looks like a bigger guy overall, even not standing next to anyone because of his frame and proportions. Plus that long neck exaggerates his height even more. But for Cavill, I think one crucial are will be the cape attachment. It might be best to give it the 'folds' that build it up a bit more and accentuate his shoulder width, instead of laying more flush against the traps. And maybe some slight padding on his delts.

 

[Astrodust]

You can't compare someone in a tight fitted shirt to someone in a loose shirt. The point is Clark is not suppose to look big in a shirt. He is suppose to look big as Superman. Cavill's size is great. You are telling me you want Clark to wear a tight shirt like Evans?

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Cavill has definitely come off great in the slew of interviews as opposed to, say, Garfield after that fan-pandering BS stunt with wearing a dollar-store Spidey suit and reading a letter about how much the character means to him.

If you think that was genuine and wasn't staged, then to quote Showtime I've got some land in Otisburg to sell ya.

 

[Mike22]

Cavill, however tall he may be, comes across a little on the short side of things, and doesn't really have the proportions of a big guy. Sure he's muscular, but overall, from toe to top, he doesn't come across as big. And one thing that REALLY amuses me is how people keep bringing up where Supermans powers come from, as a way of defending his size, of lack thereof.
EVERYBODY and their sweet old grandmother knows he gets his powers from the sun, that's not to say that the actor portraying him shouldn't look big, powerful and imposing. It's not an argument in any possible way to just state that he's powerful regardless of his physicality. The visual aspect is extremely important regardless of his powers.
A well proportioned body with proper size and definition is necessary for a costume like Supermans and the physicality of the actor helps take away a great deal of the cheesiness of the costume.

In the comics he's drawn like a bodybuilder most of the time, that is a very inappropriate look for a live action movie, however, he should at least look like Hemsworth, or in Cavills case, Evans. Because I gotta tell ya, I saw Captain America and Evans looked ****ing huge. And unfortunately Cavill is not there yet. Cavill does look buff, but nothing impressive.

I have very little doubt that they will enhance his physicality with that software that people kept posting here a while back, which even Hemsworth commented was used to make him look bigger in that shirtless scene of his.

I don't care what they do, how they do it, but just make Superman appear big onscreen.