How to Kill Wolverine

[roach]

What?

Sue Dibney...DC comics

 

[Nathan]

Oh, ok. Now who the hell is Sue Dibney?

 

[hippy fascist]

Superman sucks because he's nigh on impossible to kill, only one substance in the universe etc,. Now I hate superman but you can still kill him with kryptonite

Wolverine has reached the stage now where he CAN'T be killed. It's making the character pointless. The reason I like marvel over DC is that there tends to be less of a disequilibrium between hero and villain power levels. Wolverine if truly invincible is a pointless character, even thor, hyperion, deadpool and sentry have to lose sometimes. To make wolverine more powerful than any of these people(except maybe deadpool) makes the character deviate completely from what he is supposed to be. He is supposed to be a badass, he is supposed to be the ultimate assasin, ultimate assasin in that he has perfected his skills to the point that it is as if he is unkillable.

What was the point in all those years of training to be a samurai, what was the point of the adamantium what is the point of the character if he is unkillable?


Also with regards the failed samurai thing one of the guys who created the freakin character (I think it was Len Wein), says this was the entire basis for wolverine on the x-men 2 special features. He said that without this concept he and frank miller agreed the character would have been one-dimensional and boring, and you can't get much more definitive than that!

 

[KAD]

Fine, believe that it's possible for Logan to survive a nuclear bomb. Although I don't understand why you'd come out and say it publically that surviving a direct hit from a nuke is possible.

Kinda embarrassing, really.

Ever hear the saying, "it's better to keep quiet, and be thought an idiot, then open your mouth, and dispell all doubt"? Valuable life lesson for you right there.

PLease review the thread

 

[KAD]

So by your estimation. Batman can take a bullet through the heart, get up fight off 20 bad guys disarm a hydrogen bomb and drive the Joker to Arkham before he dies?

Huh?

 

[KAD]

Wow. I just read that bit up at the front of this thread...

This is ridiculous. Why is it that Marvel just insists on making its flagship characters completely and totally ******ed? Makes me glad I'm not buying their worthless books anymore.

Now this is a sentiment I can get behind.

A truly balanced reflection on the current state of Marvel

 

[hippy fascist]

PLease review the thread

 

[KAD]

Not you Hunter. That was directed at D-scythe.

I have stated adnausium that I do not agree with the current state of Wolverines abilities but I still contend that the changes are not without some merit based on storyline.

In addition I still feel the problem withupgrading Wolverine exists with many MU characters.

 

[roach]

if a hero is gonna go thru some power changes I'd prefer the cause and effect method.....
Cause: Beast gets beaten to death Effect:Sage heals him by jumpstarting him mutation and he becomes catlike
Cause: Angel's wings are cut off Effect: Apocalypse gives him metal wings
Cause: Zaladane uses a machine to absorb Polaris' powers Effect: She gains new powers because of the machine

 

[hippy fascist]

Yes but one of the central costructs of wolverine's character is that he's the guy who never quite got there. He had the ideology and physical traits of a samurai but not the control & it is because of this that he is always striving to be better. This is what makes him so fascinating. As a result I feel it would be in fitting with the character to be almost indestructible and yes some of the power hike is right but it should be a case of that there's needs to be say 10-15% of his tissue left in order to regenerate. Anything less than that and it crosses over the line of stupidity. In short sort it out marvel, you don't have to make him a ***** but at least dial it back a bit.

edit: this was in reference to KAD's post but roach got in before me (in case it doesn't make sense)

 

[hippy fascist]

The difference there is that Superman has ALWAYS been incredibly powerful. Since day one.

Wolverine has NEVER been able to recover from the kinds of injuries he has lately with the speed he has lately.

The second part is true but the first is not a defense, what you are basically saying (and I fully agree with this) is that superman has ******ed and pointless from day one. Wolverine is daft but don't even think about defending Superman. My thoughts

WORST. SUPERHERO. EVER.

Bland, characterless face of american imperialism. He is a representation of what america believes itself to be (indestructable and all powerful).

The definition of a hero is someone who ignores there own personal safety to protect/help/save others. Superman is invincible, where's the risk and therefore where's the nobility. My mate works on an infectious diseases ward and is constantly at risk of catching some of the nastiest **** you can ever imagine. That is a hero and he doesn't even have heat vision.

Superman's a smug aryan *****.(aside from the blond hair of course, wait a second...sentry...come on down!)

 

[Tropico]

How much Superman have you read?

 

[LexCorp]

You mean like this?

Owned

 

[hippy fascist]

Bit's and pieces I just never seemed able to empathise with the character so I gave up a long time ago.

 

[LexCorp]

Bit's and pieces I just never seemed able to empathise with the character so I gave up a long time ago.

Fair enough...

 

[hippy fascist]

It's like there's lots of novels I can't understand or don't like & I can't see the point in reading something I don't enjoy just because it's a supposedly important character. I never had that problem with spidey/x-men/avengers(and members individual books) daredevil/preacher/hellblazer/supreme power(yes hyperions a similar character but the hook with him was how he was treated by the us government yet still acts as a protector rather than seeking revenge)...

 

[Tropico]

Then you're speaking out of ignorance and bias. If you have a right to defend Wolverine, anyone else that knows tomes more about the character should be able to defend him. There's more to the characters than their powers. Nobility isn't just self-sacrifice, there are other traits that make you noble that Superman has in spades and Wolverine lacks. By the same token, being a hero isn't only putting yourself at risk to save other people; a person that comes up with a device that allows you to walk again would be a hero in your eyes. I get that you dislike the character and that you have your opininated views on him but, like you said about Marvel and Wolverine, try to tone it down a bit; especially if you're ignorant about the character.

 

[LexCorp]

Then you're speaking out of ignorance and bias. If you have a right to defend Wolverine, anyone else that knows tomes more about the character should be able to defend him. There's more to the characters than their powers. Nobility isn't just self-sacrifice, there are other traits that make you noble that Superman has in spades and Wolverine lacks. By the same token, being a hero isn't only putting yourself at risk to save other people; a person that comes up with a device that allows you to walk again would be a hero in your eyes. I get that you dislike the character and that you have your opininated views on him but, like you said about Marvel and Wolverine, try to tone it down a bit; especially if you're ignorant about the character.

I did not want to say that but I agree. I do not like fights.

 

[hippy fascist]

Then you're speaking out of ignorance and bias. If you have a right to defend Wolverine, anyone else that knows tomes more about the character should be able to defend him. There's more to the characters than their powers. Nobility isn't just self-sacrifice, there are other traits that make you noble that Superman has in spades and Wolverine lacks. By the same token, being a hero isn't only putting yourself at risk to save other people; a person that comes up with a device that allows you to walk again would be a hero in your eyes. I get that you dislike the character and that you have your opininated views on him but, like you said about Marvel and Wolverine, try to tone it down a bit; especially if you're ignorant about the character.

Fair comment superman may have done various things over the last 10 years that I am unaware of(christ 10 years, scares me man I'm only 24) and yes it was wrong to have a pop, but my comments were supposed to be about the concept of superman esque characters, superman is a classic example of the all powerfull hero. I get the impression that with superman the writers didn't know when to stop, they just kep piling on the powers. I love spidey because while he may kick the **** out doc ock/lizard/venom/goblin a stray bullet from a police officer could take him down at any moment, adds tension. This is why when it comes to dc I prefer the likes of batman/hellblazer I need my heros to be in peril.

Fair comment that I overdid it a little I just hate it when people outright bash marvel and then pretend as if dc's perfect as cyclops did in his post. I guess it was aimed more at that than superman and his fans.

 

[Tropico]

I did not want to say that but I agree. I do not like fights.

I'm not looking for a fight either. It just seems unfair to me that someone would bash a character so completely without practically knowing him. He has a right to his opinions and for all I care he can come back and say "Screw you, superman fanboy. Studidman the sux00rz, LOL!!!!!1!11" and I'll leave it at that (I'd probably give him a as a reply, honestly). I'm not a Superman fan but I do know about the character and I have a bunch of comics when I found the character interesting. I also know about Wolverine and even though there are things I don't like about the character I don't go around saying that he was ******ed from the moment he was made. I refrain from bashing characters that I don't know precisely because I know I'd be doing it out of ignorance.

 

[LexCorp]

I'm not looking for a fight either. It just seems unfair to me that someone would bash a character so completely without practically knowing him. He has a right to his opinions and for all I care he can come back and say "Screw you, superman fanboy. Studidman the sux00rz, LOL!!!!!1!11" and I'll leave it at that (I'd probably give him a as a reply, honestly). I'm not a Superman fan but I do know about the character and I have a bunch of comics when I found the character interesting. I also know about Wolverine and even though there are things I don't like about the character I don't go around saying that he was ******ed from the moment he was made. I refrain from bashing characters that I don't know precisely because I know I'd be doing it out of ignorance.

I would agree. I believe you should know your subject matter well enough to make a point like that. Buddy you keep on truckin. Here is a little something for you to enjoy.

 

[Harlekin]

Hippy, you hate Supes? You think he's overpowered? You think he sucks? You think he can't have tension? Read this: http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/showthread.php?t=35869

 

[Tropico]

Fair comment superman may have done various things over the last 10 years that I am unaware of(christ 10 years, scares me man I'm only 24) and yes it was wrong to have a pop, but my comments were supposed to be about the concept of superman esque characters, superman is a classic example of the all powerfull hero. I get the impression that with superman the writers didn't know when to stop, they just kep piling on the powers. I love spidey because while he may kick the **** out doc ock/lizard/venom/goblin a stray bullet from a police officer could take him down at any moment, adds tension. This is why when it comes to dc I prefer the likes of batman/hellblazer I need my heros to be in peril.

Fair comment that I overdid it a little I just hate it when people outright bash marvel and then pretend as if dc's perfect as cyclops did in his post. I guess it was aimed more at that than superman and his fans.

Actually, Superman didn't start out as all powerful. I'm probably just telling you something you already know by telling you that he didn't even fly and his strength and speed weren't on par with what it has today. I liked the post -Crisis Superman and how his powers were taken down quite a few notches compared to the pre-Crisis Supes. The Man of Steel retcon Supes wasn't as all-powerful as how he is now after Birthright (freakin' Birthright ) and several power ups he's gotten through the years. Anyway, I understand your preference for "street level" heroes and won't give you a long winded discourse on the "all powerful heroes".

Cyke never said that DC was perfect, just that he preferred what they were doing at the moment and that he fiercely dislikes what they're doing at Marvel. It could change in a matter of years or even months if the situations he dislikes change. It hurts more when something you love gets messed up than when it's something you don't care about; that's why Cyke acts so "bitter" about it.

LOL, the pic you posted it priceless.up:

Going back to the Wolverine thing.....ANTI-MATTER!!!! I haven't seen anyone mention anti-matter! I guess that should be a sure way to eradicate any trace of Wolverine. Or if you want to go to ludicrous extremes: THE ULTIMATE NULLIFIER!!!!!!!!

 

[LexCorp]

Actually, Superman didn't start out as all powerful. I'm probably just telling you something you already know by telling you that he didn't even fly and his strength and speed weren't on par with what it has today. I liked the post -Crisis Superman and how his powers were taken down quite a few notches compared to the pre-Crisis Supes. The Man of Steel retcon Supes wasn't as all-powerful as how he is now after Birthright (freakin' Birthright ) and several power ups he's gotten through the years. Anyway, I understand your preference for "street level" heroes and won't give you a long winded discourse on the "all powerful heroes".

Cyke never said that DC was perfect, just that he preferred what they were doing at the moment and that he fiercely dislikes what they're doing at Marvel. It could change in a matter of years or even months if the situations he dislikes change. It hurts more when something you love gets messed up than when it's something you don't care about; that's why Cyke acts so "bitter" about it.

LOL, the pic you posted it priceless.up:

Going back to the Wolverine thing.....ANTI-MATTER!!!! I haven't seen anyone mention anti-matter! I guess that should be a sure way to eradicate any trace of Wolverine. Or if you want to go to ludicrous extremes: THE ULTIMATE NULLIFIER!!!!!!!!

Hey if you liked that one ......

 

[Tropico]

Ewww, someone bit feces bunnies. That's gross!!!!