^ But Rises tried to do something more than just being a comic book story which would normally ends in "the hero lives to fight another day"... and look at the reactions to it that it got.
88% on RT, $1.1B worldwide. It was a massive success. It's extremely well-liked by the masses, and criticised by a vocal minority of forum users, some of whom don't like it because of its pacing, some for the execution of the themes, and many simply for the fact that Batman retired and that the Batman in their heads wouldn't do that.
Also, it's predecessor also did something more than "just being a comic book story". But it's loved much more. There are some who don't like them for their tone, but it's hardly some sweeping epidemic.
Exactly.
Marvel is dominating for a reason, and rightly so. They know what these movies are supposed to be, and that's why Guardians of the Galaxy and The Avengers are phenomenal successes. They're not going to be anything bigger or deeper than the medium they came from.
Again, reductive. Some people do want fun. Some people do want serious. Most people want both.
Everyone wants them to be well made. For the most part, the audience likes the way those movies are made, and looking at the creators, they're all in engaged with their characters and are trying their best to represent them in a good way. As opposed to GL (which was light and meaningless, all that ****) but was summarily
rejected by everyone because it wasn't well made. If it were just a case of "people want light and meaningless" it would have been a hit.
People criticize Man of Steel, they criticize The Dark Knight Rises, they criticize Watchmen. Why? Because they're trying to be REAL. They're trying to be deeper and more meaningful than they need to be. People don't want that.
People criticize MoS* and
Watchmen because Snyder isn't the strongest storyteller. There's that. There are also people who have a bias against Snyder and automatically look for faults. There's a lot of reasons. If
people didn't want that, then how do you explain the success of TDKT? Or... any other serious movie/story?
*Yes, there are some who don't like it for it's tone. I'm one of them. BUT - I'm sure the tone would have gone over better (for me) had the pacing, action and messy way the themes of the movie were put together weren't so laborious aka
if it were better made. Tone is only
one factor
.
And to bring it back to the thread, they're criticizing Interstellar too. Why? Because it's making points, it's challenging, it's thought-provoking, it's saying something about the human condition, it's real, it's based on REAL science, and nobody in the world has ANY problem with Guardians of the Galaxy. Does anybody hate it? Honestly? Because I don't.
On
Interstellar, some don't like it because they feel it didn't execute it's themes (failed to mix science and philosophy) correctly. Some because of it's dialogue, some because it thinks the more overt emotion is outside of Nolan's wheelhouse, and some because of an anti-Nolan bias. And, even some for whom the science and philosophy simply went over their heads and hence consider the
movie to be "dumb".
But - 73% on RT (last I heard) which is a majority, and well over $400M worldwide in it's third week of release alone. That accounts for the critics and audience. For a film that
does ask it's audience to put their thinking caps on, it's cleaning up. Hell, read through this thread and look at the poll on top of it. On the poll, I see the majority of the forum loving the movie, many liking it and some feeling mixed.
Now, explain to me why any serious or smart movie, or anything that asks more of it's audience emotionally or mentally is a success.
I really, really didn't like GotG. I thought it was a boring, void waste of time that tried way too hard. Of the MCU movies, I loved TA and really, really liked TWS. IM1 was okay. The rest...? No thanks. But, I'm really anticipating AoU, CW and IW1&2 (and am curious about CM).
People are going to hate BvSDoJ, and it's going to be considered a failure - this I guarantee you.
If it does, it will assuredly be because of all the other reasons I've stated. Not because the world somehow rejects the tone as one.
